BarleyNY

Got to see Sabalenka beat Samsaonova in the quarterfinals at Paribas this year. She’s a beast, though she lost to Andreeva in the finals. Would’ve liked to have seen Pegula too, but she got bounced the round before.

I thought it obvious that Madoff was just an example of a scam artist. Plenty of NFL players have been the victims of innumerable scams. Heck, I used to live a few houses down from Kevin Houser’s brother. He used to brag that his brother made way more money selling investments to his teammates than he ever could as a long snapper. Google that. With my own money, the vast majority is invested with a reputable firm. With other people’s money, I very rarely comment on it unless asked. I certainly don’t sit around gossiping derisively about them and their decisions. As for Worthy, how’s he crooked? One accusation from his ex-fiance that he dumped and kicked out of his house for allegedly cheating on him. The accusation that has been rescinded. As for his spending, maybe the house and cars were his reward for making it to the NFL and getting a big contract. He may blow everything he makes, he may not. But it’s his money. It not anyone else’s business.

Oh, was there someone here trying to help him?

It’s their money. Let them do as they please. When I see athletes pissing away money I always think of the responsible ones that handed theirs over to Bernie Madoff to invest.

$800k was his salary, but it’s intentionally misleading as it ignores the $6.85M signing bonus he also got. SMH

Quality show and tons of eye candy. I do love me some Joss Whedon (Buffy, Firefly, etc.) shows.

Indeed. My mom was a Steelers fan. I have pics of me in my early elementary school years in Steelers shirts. I grew up in Cleveland. So not optimal.

So my question there is why Palmer wasn’t more productive. He was on a team desperately looking for WR help for McConkey and analytics shows him to be an excellent separator. Hebert is far from a slouch at QB. So why the lack of production? Okay, but that’s where we are today. why overpay that much to still suck? And those three were not the only options.

I don’t think you hand out a contract that’s either 1/$15M or 2/$21M to a JAG+ level WR on day 1 of FA just because is floor is not embarrassing himself on the field. Other options? A few examples: Brandin Cooks got 2/$13M, Dyami Brown 1/$10M, Mack Hollins 2/$8.4M. All cheaper, two of whom had/have a dynamic ability on the field. The third worked well with Allen last season.

I didn’t see any further upside with Gabe when the Jags signed him. He was who he was at that point. Quality #3 outside WR, but a guy that immediately makes you think “We gotta upgrade there.” when he is your starter. The only thing that makes his contract with the Jags make any sense to me is that Trent Baalke gave it to him. I don’t see any upside with Palmer either. He’s in that same bucket. Really nice to have at your 3rd outside WR as long has he’s on a rookie or otherwise cheap deal, but not a guy you want to pay or see start. I’d just like to think Beane and the Bills are doing substantially better than the likes of Trent Baalke. For what it’s worth, Palmer’s deal is $3M/year cheaper than Davis’. So that’s something. It’s not quite as bad.

Certainly true about the market, but the Bills should have done better. At least Dyami Brown has upside and is on a one year deal. There’s no reason that the Bills shouldn’t have been able to get a player with upside on a proven it deal or an aging vet looking for a ring on a one year contract.

For sure this is partially market driven. The Bills didn’t want to get shut out for an X WR. Nor did they want to pay a huge contract to one. So they overpaid for a bottom tier starter. I don’t think that nearly covers the disparity between contract and value though. It is similar to the Gabe deal in that both deals are way over the value of the player and both were done in the first wave of free agency - where overpaying is the norm. I also think both will be regrettable. I don’t understand why either of those players would have been a priority for any team though. I had the same thought when both deals were announced so quickly in FA: Oh wow! Someone effed up. I agree that this misstep was driven by underinvestment in the WR spot as well as the Coleman selection. Palmer is here to be the floor at X. He won’t embarrass himself on the field even if he’s pedestrian. Keon will have to beat him out to earn reps there. As for the state of the market, that’s not a surprise to anyone. It’s why the Bills should have invested more in the WR position.

Has anyone come up with a rationale for why we effectively guaranteed Josh Palmer $21M (plus incentives) for two seasons? I’m at a loss. I know the WR market is rough with supply issues, but this seems a pretty egregious overpay. Who could we have been bidding against?

That’s not how I’d characterize the entirety of the show, but broadcasting the company line is definitely a component. I listen to it for a variety of reasons and much prefer it to the “shouting shows” on networks like EsPN.

Earlier in this thread I talked about this and broke it down. Cook had significantly more snaps, carries and receptions in 2023 than he did in 2024. He looked like he wore down at the end of the ‘23 season and it really showed in the playoffs. It seems the Bills thought the same and reduced his snap count in ‘24 - and it paid off. It looks like that level of workload is where he’s at his best.

I could not agree more. The most fun I’ve had at games has been in the worst weather. But NFL owners are looking at profits, not what’s most fun for the fans.

I find it interesting to listen to the media like Tasker who toe the company line. It tells me exactly what the team is selling to the public. One can learn a lot by comparing that to their own analysis as well as what is heard from the small portion of national media that is competent and unbiased.

He certainly has done that repeatedly. I’m just hoping for better this year and I’m talking about what he should do, not what I think he will do.

Many of those examples illustrate why a team should not depend on rookies to make much of an impact in that first year.

Okay. So this is specific to Campbell and his injury. I’d have to look more closely at him to determine whether I think he would be worth it, but it is certainly worth a discussion. How much do you expect a player picked at 30 to contribute in their rookie year anyway? It’s reasonable to expect some positive contributions, but if you’re looking for a major impact you’re almost certainly going to be disappointed.

It’s a word

Who said that drafting a player who can be elite in two years means that player won’t contribute their rookie season?

Atlanta. I have no idea how much they’re each opened. Lots of talk about them but I had no idea how many were out there. Figured others might want to know too. 1/3 with roofs was a little more than I’d have guessed. Seems like the league is slowly moving there. On thing about a dome in Buffalo is that it would be nice for most weather games, but wouldn’t change when we have to move home games. People still have to get there.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/list-of-indoor-and-outdoor-nfl-stadiums-how-many-nfl-stadiums-are-domed/#:~:text=Of the 30 NFL stadiums,list to break it down. 10 of 30 NFL stadiums have a roof/dome. 5 of the 10 w/roofs are retractable.

Absolutely yes. Cincy isn’t spending a lot anywhere else except for Orlando Brown Jr. They structured the Burrow, Chase and Higgins deals with substantial salaries this season. So if you check OTC or Spotrac it looks like they don’t have any room, but there’s plenty to be made. It’s just a question of whether or not they want to spend more to keep him around. 6/2 will be a non-event again. With 2 post 6/1 designations available to every team none of them wait to cut any player anymore. No sense risking them getting injured or paying them off season bonuses. If a name player gets cut around that time it’ll be because of performance - and you probably don’t want to add a player like that.