Kirby Jackson

Love that expression 😂😂 I don’t disagree that there are some guys that could be on there (specifically Taron). At the end of the day though, the people that grade it the closest, thought that the Bills only had 1 of the top 101 players in the NFL. That’s wild for a 2 seed (and a credit to Josh).

The issue is that, on this team, Malik Washington (for example) would play 40% of the offensive snaps (and more with an injury). Ulofoshio is, at best, the 4th or 5th off the ball LB. He will play special teams if he dresses. So they took a guy, that will play less, at a less important position. That’s stupid.

PFF did their top 101 players of 2023 a couple of months ago. The Bills had 1 guy on the list. They were the 2 seed in the AFC. They lack top end talent and have suffered from it. Josh covers so many problems with this team. We have had rosters full of overpaid grinders. Hopefully his reset changes the way that the Bills allocate resources. Fill the depth with cheap labor and pay for the top of the roster. My jersey is already hanging in the rafters homie. You’re the one trying to make a name for yourself. That trash take isn’t going to get you there. If it “isn’t correct” list the 3 that are worse and be prepared to defend it…

Anytime that you can take the ball out of Josh Allen’s hands you gotta do it

Just got a text from my buddy who is the Bears scout. I’m trying to post it but it’s too large. At any rate, it is Schefter’s post about the signing and then: him: 🥴 me: gross him: he’s been a locker room cancer everywhere that he’s been take it fwiw

I’ll be okay calling pass rusher as the 2nd most important position. Offensive tackle is nowhere near as important as WR. Again, look at the contracts being signed right now. We try to convince ourselves that areas that we are good at are more important than areas that we aren’t good at. Importance of position: QB - Bills are elite WR - Bills are bottom 3 DL (all inclusive) - Bills are average with talent but may get results with volume CB - Bills average to good OT - Bills good C - Bills average (although Van Pran could be a steal) S - Bills average RB - Bills are above average LB - Bills are elite if Milano is healthy OG - Bills average to above average ST - Bills are average Who said that? Don’t make stuff up to strengthen your 🗑️ perspective.

Sweet comeback bro!! If you like signing LBs that were pro bowlers in 2017 and, PS players in 2023, cool. I prefer to address the 2nd most important position in football, for a team that has the worst WR room in the NFL. To each their own 🍻

Yes, WRs are INFINTIELY more important than off the ball LBs. We do agree that a guy competing for the 6th LB isn’t a big deal. I think that a WR competing for the 6th WR spot isn’t a big deal either. I do understand why some people might be frustrated though. If the thinking is, “it feels like we have spent a lot more time reworking the bottom of the LB depth chart, than the top of the WR depth chart” that’s fair. I understand that their were limited resources but I have hard time justifying a ST, off the ball LB, that will be 5th or 6th on your depth chart over Malik Washington & Ryan Fluornoy who might have played significant snaps at WR with upside. You were (and still are) desperate at WR but have prioritized off the ball LB depth.

Chark signed with the Chargers. You can’t get DJ Moore because the Bears will never move him. If he were on the market, the Bills should ABSOLUTELY push in their chips. That IS the kind of guy that you clear your cap position to chase. DJ Moore is coming off a year of 96 receptions, 1,364 yards and 8 TDs with Justin Fields as his QB. What’s the point of having cap space if you wouldn’t use it on that guy?!? 😂😂 It doesn’t matter though as he isn’t available. It was just a weird comment to say, “pass on DJ Moore at $16M because we need to clear our cap situation but go ahead and give DJ Chark $6M.”

It’s an infinitely more important position. Look at the contracts of off the ball LBs compared to WR. Additionally, the top of the LB room >>>>> the top of the WR room

The Bills are zigging while everyone else zags. Most teams would love to sign a guy that started his career on the practice squad and developed into a Pro Bowler in year 7. Not the Bills, they sign a guy that was a Pro Bowler 7 years ago that developed into a PS player on the worst team in the league last year. 4D chess

Lol, that isn’t me!! That guy had NO business playing at OSU.

Agree to disagree I guess I don’t think that he’s very good. He won a lot on a team that almost broke the record for most drafted players in a single draft. They had 13 guys selected (UGA has the record at 15). The team was loaded. They won with him WAY more than because of him. In the right situation, maybe he becomes an effective game manager (like Brock Purdy). Personally, I think that he was overdrafted as an over correction to Purdy falling to last.

I was hoping that the Jets would take him just like it was a good thing when the Pats took Mac or the Jets took Zach Wilson. You’re at least going to give him 2-3 seasons of failure before moving on. Tyrod is a very good backup and with that Jets roster will be at least .500 if he has to play 6 games. McCarthy, imo, could have been 1-5. He’s AJ McCarron

This isn’t shocking. McCarthy isn’t very good. He was the guy, this year, that everyone used as the smokescreen. He was the guy that people kept hearing “would go higher than expected” and “possibly top 3.” In the end he was the 5th QB drafted. People believed that the Pats might take him at 3 and that the Vikings, Giants and even Chargers, might trade up for him. In the end the Vikings offered 3 firsts for Maye over just taking McCarthy. The Patriots turned down 3 firsts and just took Maye. The Chargers (wisely) stayed put, selected Alt, and kept Herbert. The Giants took the stud receiver. The Vikings waited and eventually got McCarthy. I wonder though if they would have actually taken Penix instead had he been there at 11?

I think yards for Shakir and receptions for Kincaid

Thank you!! That’s been my issue. It is certainly a bigger issue for me because of my concerns with Coleman but it’s a bigger point. If you have Josh Allen, my belief is that you will win BECAUSE of him not WITH him. You need to do everything you can to build up his playmakers. You need to give him guys that can make plays on their own, besides for him. Give Josh someone that is going to catch a 6 yard slant and take it 65 yards. Instead, the philosophy is Josh will side step 2 rushers, roll right, make another guy miss, toss it 45 yards down the field, to some guy that make shake free 9 seconds into the play, in hopes of scoring. I think it’s a mistake. Defensively, you need pass rush, LBs that can cover and smart DBs that don’t give up big plays. Defensively, the scheme is what you should win with. Offensively, you should win with the talent. The Bills have not adopted that philosophy. They’ve spent prime assets and big FA dollars on the defense. The irony is that the defense has largely been the same whether Dane Jackson, Levi Wallace and Christian Benford are back there as opposed to 1st rounders in Tre and Elam. They gave Von a zillion dollars and the pass rush is the same. They used a 2nd on Basham and are better off with Kinsgley Jonathan, etc…

I disagree. This is prior to this draft so it moved some but: Since 2018 (Josh draft) the Bills have spent 2739.8 draft value pts on 6 DL; they’ve allocated 144.1 draft value points to 7 WR. If you include Diggs that’s 924.1 points. That’s an average DL draft spot of pick 44. It’s an average WR spot of 177 (96 w Diggs). The Bills continue to allocate their best resources to the defense. That’s not good enough. When you have a HOF QB, you should prioritize his weapons, not hope that he elevates role players.

I think Coleman is more explosive and smoother. They have similar straight line speed but Coleman’s a better athlete. The point was, that Beane once liked Benjamin too. He drafted him in the 1st and traded for him. Beane doesn’t value quickness, speed and space as much as he values size. I think that’s an antiquated philosophy. I wouldn’t add guys that run 4.71 coming of a full season suspension for gambling. I’d rather take a flier on someone more explosive.

He loved Kelvin Benjamin too. While everyone gets faster, we get big, sluggish, late round fliers, street FAs, and UDFAs to support our HOF QB.

They are trolling us right? It’s like a science experiment.

Obviously we differ on Coleman. For me, it’s bigger than just him. They needed more speed. They needed another guy that can run routes and eat targets. They didn’t invest enough resources into WR (regardless of the Coleman pick). My philosophy is that if you have Josh Allen, your biggest responsibility is loading up around Josh Allen. You do that at the expense of other parts of the roster. The Bills differ philosophically. They have neglected the 2nd (or 3rd) most important position. They need Josh to cover up and elevate those around him. I so desperately want you to be right. Josh Allen had similar odds coming out and he overcame it. 🍻

They are possibly worse. They spent a 1 last year (although it hasn’t looked good so far) and an early 2 this year. They have potential but aren’t good right now either. Palmer isn’t horrible and Rice is another lottery ticket. They probably have a higher ceiling than the Bills but potentially a lower floor (although I think McConkey is pretty safe). They are certainly near the bottom.

There’s another scout saying, “he doesn’t separate and is a number 3.” I get that you want to be happy with the pick. Pretending that he isn’t polarizing and discrediting MULTIPLE reliable sources that don’t like him isn’t helping your case. If you believe that HE IS GOOD AT SEPARATING please provide the data that disputes Harmon’s analysis. Otherwise, it’s just blind homerism. We all want him to be great. Some of us are just willing to use actual data, analysis and film study to identify his strengths and weaknesses. We don’t need to pretend that he’s someone that he isn’t and we don’t need to discredit reliable sources because we don’t like what they are saying. It’s okay to live in reality. That doesn’t make you a worse fan. Also, do you care to list the WR groups worse than the Bills or are you still avoiding that harsh reality?