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    Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

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    Just now, GunnerBill said:

     

    What if one of the other teams calling wanted Worthy? It isn't definitely the case that the only way to keep him from KC was to pick him. And I'm not even that fussed by Worthy particularly. I think he is another WR2 and KC has Rice and Hollywood already that I think fit that criteria (Rice maybe a lower end #1 I suppose, let's see). It isn't about the outcome so much as the process to me. My principle is I'm not doing anything I think might help KC. 

    I think SF was taking Worthy

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

    Yeah, something like that would be fine to me.

     

    Really curious what SF ultimately gets for Deebo if he's the guy though. Feel like it'll less than people think.

    I still think it’s Ayiuk that gets dealt. The Pearsall pick is more duplication when it comes to Ayiuk. He also has the easier contract to move. I wonder if you could get Ayiuk for 60 and 128 or something like that? If that’s the case, take Dejean (or Newton here), trade for Ayiuk & then take Baker at 95. That would be 🔥

    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    I don’t believe, for a second, that the Bills, or every team for that matter, didn’t have calls about going up and down. That’s malpractice. Now, maybe you didn’t like the cost that you were hearing. That’s a different conversation. You obviously have to listen. If the value is there, you pull the trigger. That’s exactly what Beane described happening with the Carolina trade. 

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

    My only counter is that the way to prevent Chiefs from getting Worthy was to pick him ourselves. How else would we have prevented Chiefs getting him anyway? I am guessing that Beane knew that the 3 teams in the middle did not want him 

    I absolutely do not want to help our arch(est) rival but this sounds like a situation where the Bills got some assets while not changing any of the selections between the two teams 

    I hear you. The Bills certainly could have taken him themselves. The need and value was there. They could have started with Carolina there and tried to get them to come up for Worthy. SF could have targeted him too.


    At the end of the day, you had to take the deal if you didn’t want to draft him. The nonsense about only worrying about your own draft board is BS though. The Bills do need to be concerned about what KC is doing. That’s the team that has knocked you out 3 times. 

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

    He jumped up the draft board after he ran a 4.2 instead of a 4.3 like everyone thought.  That’s what I mean by rated. If he was so good he would have been projected higher before the underwear olympics. 

    If you are referring to John Ross jumping way up after his 40 you are correct. If you’re talking about Worthy moving way up, you’re incorrect. He was always projected early. Here is a mock draft from July 2023:

     

    https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-caleb-williams-drake-maye-marvin-harrison-jr-brock-bowers-first-round-training-camp

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    3 minutes ago, BananaB said:

    Why wasn’t he rated higher when everyone thought he was a 4.3 guy if he is that elite

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question? What does “rated” mean (or have to do with anything)? He is a 4.21 guy that was projected as a 1st round pick long before the combine (years even). He was a 3 time all big 12 selection in his 3 seasons. He’s twitchy and obviously has big play ability. He’s a big version of Hollywood Brown (who is now also on the Chiefs). That speed, with Andy Reid, is a nightmare.

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

    As much as I adore Deebo, he doesn't make much sense for us. If we go the veteran route and Aiyuk is off the table, Higgins or Sutton make more sense than Deebo IMO. Probably wouldn't trade what Cinci wants for Higgins though. I think the cost for Sutton is probably a good match for what we have now and then I'd like to add a rookie WR tomorrow.

    What are you willing to pay for Sutton? 5th?

    5 hours ago, Cray51 said:

    Sky Moore was the speed guy taken two years ago who is awful

     

    kadarius toney was picked up to be the speedy first round grade receiver to be a stud

     

    ross was brought in to see if his speed could amount to somethjng in the tail end of his career

     

    the chiefs have struck out on receivers just as often as they have hit.  Hill was and is an amazing player.  If they have fooled everyone and found a guy of tbat talent again?  Credit to them

    It’s not that they fooled everyone. He was a 1st round wr, that ran the fastest 40 ever. People took that as “he must play like John Ross.” Worthy was an elite WR, for multiple years, at one of the biggest programs in the country. I think that you could have let a lot of guys go to KC and been okay. This wasn’t one of them.

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    Just now, Cray51 said:

    I’ve watched the tape on Worthy, I’m not impressed.

     

    i think he has value as a gadget guy and if Mahomes and him gain chemistry, he can be effective

     

    i didnt have a top 40 grade on him 

    Putting that guy in Andy Reid’s offense is a nightmare. Reid will get him the ball in space. The Bills could certainly trade down. They couldn’t give the Chiefs elite skill players to deal with. Not a good day for the Bills. I’m hoping tomorrow is 2 picks and a vet WR. We will see

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    2 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

    COULD YOU IMAGINE THEM WITH JOHN ROSS??!!  He was worthy before worthy!  
     

    wait, they did have him… and he didn’t even crack the roster

     

    speed isn’t everything 

    He is nowhere near Worthy as a player. Worthy runs the route tree. I feel like I don’t need to get this far in the weeds because the comparison is lazy. Worthy is a good route runner with explosive playmaking. He is a great WR. John Ross ran a fast 40. They aren’t that close.

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Round 1 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    Unless there is something that we are missing, this is a failure. You gave Andy Reid, and the team that you can’t beat, the fastest player in combine history. Why? I was fine going back from 32 to 33 but it should have been 60 (and like 160) for 39 to do that. The Bills haven’t managed this draft well as of now.

     

    With that being said, maybe the vet WR is a part of this. Maybe the Bills add Dejean or Newton and trade 60 (& filler) for Ayiuk or Higgins. They can come back at 95 and add someone like Baker. If the Bills walked out with Dejean, Ayiuk and Baker we should feel pretty good. Weaponizing Mahomes though, is not a good idea.

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