Kirby Jackson
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Payton is a very good coach too. But his playoff record since he won his Superbowl is atrocious. Not just a slight underachievement. If McDermott had lost to the teams and QBs Payton lost to with Drew Brees under centre he'd already have been fired IMO.
I get the lightening in a bottle genius gameplan theory. Because Payton is capable of that, no doubt. But my word he loses some games you just cannot lose in the post season. I think McDermott has one of those - 13 seconds.
I’d rather have lost a game, like Baltimore last year, in exchange for a Super Bowl title 13 seconds year. Payton has proven that he can win the big one. McDermott has not proven that.
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
No. Is it possible? Sure - is it assured, not at all.
The only year Sean won a SB or even reached one was when the Saints were riding an emotional high from the Katrina disaster and their defense was actually making plays. Outside that, he struggled to even consistently make the playoffs with Prime Brees, Kamara, Graham, Thomas, Colston, and a load of other offensive firepower and talent through the years. The amount of high end or elite weapons Payton had compared to the Bills is a wide gap, and yet Sean and all his offensive genius missed the playoffs several times or got bounced early.
Sean missed the playoffs 6 times with Brees in his 15 seasons there (16 but he was suspended 1 in 2012).
In half the seasons in NO that he coached (not counting the 2012 suspended season) he won single digit games of 9 or less.
He missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons with prime Brees.
Again, the bulk of Seans time there included an all time Great in Brees in his prime and a lot of elite weapons around him yet the results were not always stellar and even in their best seasons were losing in the first or 2nd round, including winning 11 games and losing in the first round to Seattle who got in with a losing record with only 7 wins.
So he isn't the fix it all savior I think some see him as. If it wasn't for the one SB win, his overall record would be much less impressive and quite honestly, he probably wouldn't have kept his job after 2012 suspension and would have also probably been fired sometime during the stretch where he missed the playoffs 3 straight years with prime Brees. Imagine McD missing the playoffs 3 straight years with Allen.
I was in New Orleans for the Payton years. I know those teams better than most. The thought that Sean Payton would have been fired back then is BEYOND absurd if you understood the dynamics of the ownership/leadership of the Saints/Pelicans. Loomis/Lauscha/Payton were/are Gail’s entire leadership team. They are way closer to family than to employees. They didn’t fire him when his wife left him and moved to Dallas. He commuted to New Orleans after he knocked up the cheerleader. Payton isn’t a good guy but he is miles better as a football coach than McDermott. That’s why he’s 2 on this list and McDermott isn’t in the top 10. Payton elevates the talent on his teams. Those Saints teams weren’t as talented as some are making them out to be.
They didn’t go to the Super Bowl after Katrina. They went to the NFC Championship and lost to the Bears. He won the Super Bowl after 2009. They would have won again if not for the worst call in NFL History (not hyperbole).
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
You are a Payton guy, but if McD went 7-9 three straight years with prime Josh Allen, there would be blood in the streets.
Payton had the better highs, but I don’t think he’s THAT much better tbh.
If Sean Payton were here since 2017, do you agree that they’d have at least 1 Super Bowl? He would have been to Allen what Reid is to Mahomes.
1 hour ago, QCity said:I would say he's more like the Dak Prescott of HCs. He can put up some great numbers that everyone will point too, but in the back of your mind there's always that thought of "Hmm not sure if this is the guy that can ever get it done." You could do better, but you also could do a LOT worse, so you hope the stars will align one year.
This is fair.
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6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Payton's ahead of him because of getting a rookie QB to the playoffs or whatever. But he was absolutely outcoached in the playoffs against buffalo to an almost embarassing degree. That was the popular "Upset alert" and they promptly got stomped.
To me - PFF is supposed to be the "analytics" group, and this article didn't offer much of anything to back it up.
Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott.
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I’m not big on McDermott. I think he’s fine. He’s like the Brock Purdy of HCs to me. He could be top 10. It’s not an outrage that he’s not. McDermott has a generational QB who has been outstanding in the biggest moments. McDermott and his defense have failed in those moments. You could do worse but you could do better.
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2 hours ago, Buffalosouth said:
Chris Hogan played lacrosse
Ryan Fitzpatrick - he went to Harvard
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Donovan Greer
We played with him in the alumni tournament a few years back and he got so high he couldn’t get out of the cart on the back 9. 🤣🤣
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This was weird. I think that the comment would be different if he/Miami had success against the Bills. The Bills have used Cover 4 and dominated them 🤷🏻♂️. He just comes across as whiny. If he/Miami were having a ton of success against the Bills defense, his comments would be much more effective.
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3 minutes ago, Billl said:
There’s really no reason to have a strong opinion on Coleman at this point. He looked like a nice player the first half of the season, then he stunk when he returned from injury. It’s impossible to say for certain what that means for the rest of his career in terms of overall success.
There are a few things you can glean from his season, though. He’s clearly capable of making big plays, but unless he figures out how to create separation, he’s not going to be the guy you can count on when you need a play the way you could with Diggs or even Beasley. When you only get 4 targets a game and still have a catch rate of 50%, you’re much more of a complementary piece than a featured receiver.
Really well said!! If you aren’t open, it’s hard to get volume. He might be a part time guy and a big play guy.
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25 minutes ago, wppete said:
We sweep NYJ and Miami. 1-1 with NE. NE is going to be a playoff team this year.
I think New England has slowly become one of the most overrated teams in the league. They’re “new” so I get it. It has a little of that 2024 Jets feel. They’ll be better than they were but I think like 7-10 or 8-9. Miami has become a touch underrated imo. They’re more likely to be the playoff team I think.
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I have a feeling that the Bills drop a division game this year. It’s just a feeling. Maybe they split with Miami. The Jets game at the end of the year might mean nothing. If it means nothing I don’t care about the outcome. I don’t see a lot of losses on the Bills schedule and I’m thinking 14-3 or 13-4. I’m guessing one of those losses is a divisional loss. The other 2 or 3 will come from (Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs, Bucs, Falcons, or meaningless Jets).
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Fun topic!!
As a player maybe Cook. As a person, Tre.
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On 6/19/2025 at 8:29 AM, Buffalo ill said:
Is the premise of this "if you take the money your team will never win the superbowl"?
Or is the $500 a consolation prize for our yearly dismissal from the playoffs by KC with the unlikely chance we actually beat them when it matters? Kind of like betting against your favorite team?
If you take the money it is a guarantee that you will never see the Bills win a Super Bowl in your lifetime. Obviously $500 isn’t the answer, so what is? What’s the number that it would take for that deal with the devil?
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Looks like, I’m going to be able to pull this off. If I do a baby moon in August, I’ll be good to go on this guy’s trip. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
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3 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Depends how much he is on the field. If the last 2 years are any indication, it won't be very much...especially going to a team that is extremely questionable in terms of doing things to ensure players are kept as healthy as possible.
Even if he plays 7 games, like the last few years, they are better. The Bills are competing for the bye. If he contributes to 1 win, we’d be better off with him elsewhere.
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19 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:
Stay in the NFC? How about hoping to stay on the field. Reason GB let him go and nobody traded for him.
3 minutes ago, without a drought said:Being a Bills fan, led by Josh Allen makes it difficult to act like this oft injured cb being signed by Baltimore matters.
Well, his signing certainly doesn’t make them worse regardless of how much he plays. Obviously he’s been hurt, a lot. Their secondary is loaded. Both of those are true.
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Another good player goes to a great team. He will help them. I was hoping that he’d stay in the NFC but 🤷🏻♂️
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16 minutes ago, Billl said:
So you’re putting your life’s savings on guys who are a combined 0-5 against Mahomes when the season is on the line? Josh is 7-6 in elimination games. Lamar is 3-5. Mahomes is 17-4, but you’re rolling with Lamar?
Nobody thinks Lamar gives his team a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than Mahomes.
If I had to pick someone to play QB for the 2025 season, I’d pick Allen. Lamar would be next. Burrow would be 3rd and Mahomes 4th. Yes, that’s what I would pick. Mahomes hasn’t been the reason for their success over the last few years. He’s been good in the clutch and they’ve had crazy luck (12-0 in 1 score games). I think those other guys impact games more now than Pat does. You’re free to put out your list 1-32…
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10 minutes ago, Billl said:
So if you had to put your life savings on one QB to put together a game winning drive in a critical moment, you’re picking Lamar?
No. If I had to pick a QB to QB a team for an entire season, Lamar would be my second pick behind Josh Allen.
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28 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:
I thought it was really funny how several had Lamar Jackson ahead of Patrick Mahomes!
And I wondered: if they had to pick a quarterback to lead their own NFL team, would they actually make that awful move and pick what is clearly a much lesser QB over Mahomes?
Makes zero sense--choosing a QB who seems to be THE reason his team does not make it to the Super Bowl over a QB who seems to be a seminal reason his team has--and why they have won three of them.
I think some did that because they resent Mahomes for his success against the Bills in the playoffs, but I cannot imagine many sentient adults thinking Lamar Jackson is a better quarterback than Mahomes.
I won’t speak for others but you don’t need to think for me. I think Lamar has been the better player over the last couple of years.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I think there is a fundamental inconsistency @Kirby Jackson and @HappyDays between having Mahomes 3rd or 4th based on "other guys playing better the last two years" and then still having Matt Stafford at #7 and #5 respectively.
Over the past two seasons if you look at:
- passing yards
- completion rate
- touchdowns
- passer rating
- yards per attempt
Across ten data points over two seasons Matt Stafford is top 10 in exactly 1 of those ten - yards per attempt in 2023.
I love Matt Stafford. He has had a great career and he will be an interesting HoF debate when he comes up in years to come. But over the past three seasons since he won that Superbowl he has been closer to the 15th best Quarterback in football than the 5th. I know he had the elbow injury in 2022 and that might be part of the explanation but I think he is what he is right now. I still have him in my franchise group but while for almost 10 years (even when he was in Detroit) I banged the drum that he was a top 6 Quarterback and at the top of that "best of the rest" category, I think he is towards the backend of that group now.
I had him in a tier with Baker, Herbert, Goff, Dak and Stroud. I put him at the top of the tier because he has won one. I kind of used that as a tiebreaker but I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth because I had Hurts and Daniels in the same tier and put Daniels above him (which I could easily have the other way). There were some that just came down to the “eye test.”
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7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Mahomes at 4 is crazy talk.
Again, you’re free to put together your own list…
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
But have they really been better QB's or just guys who got better stats because Mahomes has had arguably the least to work with weapon wise due to injuries or personnel decisions? Burrow hasn't even made the playoffs the past 2 years as his team notoriously starts each season off in a hole and Lamar hasn't been as good in the post season as he has been in the regular season over his career.
Its all in the eye of the beholder, so no wrong answers, just I can get behind the debate of Allen or Mahomes, but Burrow and Lamar over Mahomes just feels like a reach.
Here is an interesting question - Who are you going to give the ball too in the postseason with the game on the line and one final drive to win it? NOTE: Saw a wild stat that Mahomes is the only QB in history with a 100% success rate doing that and no one else in history is even at 50% and Mahomes has done it 7 out 7 times I believe it said.
Mahomes would be my answer because he’s been so clutch. Along the same argument though, you’d pick Hurts over Lamar or Burrow in the same situation. He’s been more clutch. I wouldn’t take Hurts over either of those 2 (and I’m higher on Hurts than most). I try to look at it as if, “every QB was in the exact same situation what would happen?” There are so many other factors. I know Mahomes is clutch. I know Hurts is clutch. It doesn’t mean that I think either is better than Lamar each week in 2025. It depends on how you define best I guess.
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23 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
Over the last 3 yrs Mahomes has also knocked those 3 guys from the title game. That’s gotta count for something.I get it and think the world of Mahomes. I just think they’ve been better. Hurts eliminated Mahomes last year but I still think Mahomes is better.
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McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.
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They would have kicked like a 30 yarder to go to the Super Bowl. I think that they would have rolled that Pats team. That was the worst Super Bowl in history.