Kirby Jackson
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Lol, it’s Diggs and it’s not particularly close. He has, arguably, the 4 best receiving seasons in Bills history. He was better than a bridge QB and a backup QB.
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9 hours ago, Billl said:
Yeah, the one game Brown played in NE plus the 7 (6.5) he played in Tampa before quitting in the middle of a game really took Brady’s career to the next level.
Well, they did play together. He was added late to the list. It does illustrate that weapons are Brady was always a priority.
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33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
He's already clearly better than Foster. Foster was a complete non-factor after that one season and he ran hardly any of the sorts of routes that Shakir runs. There's gotta be a better comp than him. Foster was basically a one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind given the receiving talent on that 2018 team. I mean, someone had to be the target that season.
Is he better than Foster at that point? Foster had back-to-back 100+ yard games. I’m not saying that it is or isn’t but the situation is similar. The last 4 games of that year Foster had 19 receptions for 285 yards and 2 TDs. On the season that would be 81 catches for 1,211 yards and 8.5 TDs. If you take Shakir’s most recent 4 games (2 regular season and 2 postseason) he had 20 receptions for 219 yards and 2 TDs. If you were to extrapolate that over the season it is 85 receptions for 931 yards and 8.5 TDs.
I agree that Foster was playing with less talent. The targets weren’t that different though. Foster saw 25 in that 4 game stretch and Shakir saw 22. Add into that, Foster probably saw more defensive attention because Shakir had better players around him. Also, add in Josh Allen in 2023 is a way better QB than Josh Allen in 2022. It isn’t all that different. If anything, advantage Foster…
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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:
I'm going to push back a bit on the Shakir narrative here. When making these statistical arguments, it's imperative to include postseason games (they're the most important ones!!), and in the Bills two playoff games Shakir averaged 6 targets per game. That's "volume," and 10 out of 12 of those passes resulted in completions (with two being TDs). And in both games they played good defenses. This comes after averaging 2.7 targets per game in the regular season. But even that's deceiving; he had 6 targets in the final game (vs Miami) and 4 vs. NE the week before. He had only FIVE targets in the first six games of the season.
Clearly, his role changed and he was handling close to Diggs-level volume (but not quite) by the final four must-win games of the season (inclusive of playoffs).In those same final four games, Kincaid had 26 targets, which averages to 111 per season.
Point is, you have to factor in both the playoffs and change over time.Fair, but the response to that will be, “that’s an incredibly small sample size.” It’s the Robert Forster argument. At the end of the 2018 season the Bills threw the ball to Foster a lot and had great results. It didn’t translate over.
I HOPE that Shakir is the guy that he was late last year with increased targets and defensive attention. We don’t know whether he will be a young Stef Diggs, growing from 5th RD. WR to all pro or a young Robert Foster, who came roaring out of the gates and was never heard from again. Likely, he will be somewhere in between but again, we don’t know.
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This was an easy answer for me. I’ve had concerns about who on the Bills can handle volume. With the slant god still out there, they should take a chance. He’s slow and a fraction of the player that he once was, but if healthy, he can eat targets. That’ll give Josh a nice outlet.
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2 hours ago, Calidiehard said:
That's a risk you take moving too the back of the 1st to get the 3rd he wanted back knowing the Chiefs were targeting speed. Beane stated they didn't have any more 1st round grades at that point and was willing to take chances. I'm guessing if Coleman was gone we would have taken either Ladd, AD, Pearsall, or Polk.
For sure. There was risk in both scenarios but the 3rd round pick was worth the risk for them.
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2 hours ago, H2o said:
Beane said he could care less who the Chiefs were picking. When the Chiefs took Worthy, Beane knew what the Pats were trying to do. They were moving for Legette or Coleman, one of the remaining 2nd Tier WR's, to pair with their newly drafted QB. Beane knew their cupboard was pretty bare and said, "Nope. Sorry, not Sorry."
He probably thought that he knew who the Pats wanted. What if the Pats wanted Worthy? Would he have been okay with them getting him? They’re talking out of both sides of their mouth. You THINK that you know who someone wants but you aren’t sure. How do we know that the Bills target wasn’t Pearsall at 32? We don’t.
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6 minutes ago, Calidiehard said:
It's because the Pats were targeting the guy they wanted in Coleman.
I understand that. They were okay going from 28 to 32 not knowing if Coleman would be there. What is the Pats went to 31? What is SF took him instead of Pearsall? There’s layers to this…
2 minutes ago, 518Buffalo said:If the Bills wanted Legette or Coleman they could move down one spot and definitely get one of them. If they knew the Pats wanted those guys too and Legette was Carolina's guy then they could have moved back 2 spots and been out of luck.
Also possible Beane went to Carolina and said "hey New England is giving us X to move up, if you can beat that offer we'll swap picks so you can get your guy" which honestly makes more sense from Carolina's perspective why they gave up a relatively high amount to trade up one spot.
I understand that. See above ^. When they went from 28 to 32 there was no guarantee that Coleman OR Legette would be there.
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1 hour ago, eball said:
…if this was already mentioned I apologize. Rumor is that the Pats*** were targeting either Coleman or Legette and had a deal “construct” in place with Buffalo before Beane dealt with Carolina instead, therefore taking away both of the Pats*** targets. They then moved back further from #34.
I love it.
It sounds like the Bills were down with either of them. It’s a little ironic though that they went down 4 spots giving KC their guy but were like, “oh no, not the Pats.” That feels backwards to me. 🤷🏻♂️
Either way, messing with the Pats is hilarious. They let them negotiate the deal and then took it to Carolina 😂😂.
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9 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
Agreed on Gronk, moss was there 3 years. He made two solid slot guys into all pros. Dillon? Come on Bills fam... lol.
Great QB's have to make wr's better. NE was awesome at adapting amd modifying or changing systems up. Each time Brady made his guys great. Time for Allen to do the same and I think he will.
He also had Antonio Brown (another HOFer).
Corey Dillon won the rushing title in his first year in New England. He scored 39 TDS in his 3 years there. He was a beast 20 years ago. You might be too young to remember that.
Of course QBs elevate WRs. No one is arguing that. The problem that I have is, why would you have Josh Allen trying to elevate guys like John Brown, Cole Beasley, Kelvin Benjamin, Gabe Davis, Robert Foster, etc instead of drafting guys early with more ability? If you have Josh Allen, don’t force him to raise average players. Give him some elite talent and let it raise further (like they did with Diggs).
When Diggs got here he was a borderline Pro Bowl WR. In his 4 years he went to 4 pro bowls, was an all pro and had 4 seasons of 100 plus catches. Those were the top 4 seasons in terms of receptions in Buffalo Bills history. He also turned out the top 2 yardage seasons and the top TD season. He’s arguably the best WR that the Bills have ever had. He’s not the most talented (but he’s quite talented). That’s kind of what I’m referring to. Give Josh top 20ish talents and watch them become top 5 guys and an elite offense. They’re asking him to elevate top 75-100 guys (Kincaid excluded).
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7 hours ago, White Linen said:
I honestly feel bad for you. You have some real issues.
😂😂😂
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12 minutes ago, White Linen said:
No one is coming to your rescue man. Just admit it. I promise you'll feel better.
You're so close, but feels like you're purposely skirting around what you said. Own it.
Bro, you look ridiculous. 😂😂
You’ve said multiple things in this thread that weren’t true and been called out every time. We tell the truth around here. It’s one thing to be wrong and get called out. We have all had that. It’s a whole different level when you keep pushing your chips in, falling further and further into the hole that you dug. That’s where you’re at. Go back through this thread and read every single interaction that we have had.
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11 minutes ago, White Linen said:
It's right there. Hold yourself accountable, ever how difficult that seems to be for you.
It's there for everyone to see, so I fulfilled my obligation.
Where? 😂😂 Are you talking about me saying that “if Coleman is good and Shakir develops, they can be average?” That isn’t saying what’s GOING to happen. That’s what I HOPE happens. Come on man, you’re better than that.
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48 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
So who were we drafting to break the high cover 2 shell? Worthy? Nope not even Hill can do that against us, amd no one in the draft was going to in cold weather.
Which other than Moss, Tom Brady did that in NE.
He played with a top 3 TE all time and a top 3 WR all time. He had a good OL. He had Corey Dillon in his prime. He had elite slot receivers. He went to Tampa and had Evans and Godwin. Brady had at least 3 pass catchers that are in, or going to, the HOF. Moss, Gronk and Evans are either in Canton or going.
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2 hours ago, White Linen said:
See below. You just got, got.
The WR room last year wasn’t good enough. It was way better than this group. Now if Coleman is good and Shakir continues to develop they can be an average WR room. At the moment, they’re inarguably in the bottom 3.
35 minutes ago, White Linen said:People that don't tell the truth, often can't see it. It's not too late to work on yourself. I now actually feel bad for you.
Still not seeing where I said that I knew what would happen next year. That’s what you claimed earlier. Please quote it…You’re embarrassing yourself. It’s time to bow out. Stop swinging because I’m going to hold you accountable to everything that you’ve said that isn’t true. I will let you off the hook if you walk away.
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35 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:
This is the year to fix everything that has been wrong the last 6 years. Not all of it is on Beane and McDermott. Life has a way of forcing you into certain situations and the only way out of them is time.
Next year we have the cap money and the true help is coming. But the turn around begins in 2024 (on a budget) and amplifies in 2025.
I hope that you’re right. I don’t love their philosophy. I believe you give Josh the stars. They believe, Josh will just elevate average guys. We will see I guess…
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36 minutes ago, White Linen said:
See below. You just got, got.
The WR room last year wasn’t good enough. It was way better than this group. Now if Coleman is good and Shakir continues to develop they can be an average WR room. At the moment, they’re inarguably in the bottom 3.
Yep, that’s it. I’m not sure that you understood the task. Now where did I say what would happen this year?
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
Catches
You said you did know what will happen this year.
Don't threaten me and don't tell me what to do. This is where posters like you need to "be better".
Okay, he was tied for 105th in catches with 39. He caught 20 of those 39 after Brady took over.
Please quote where I said that I knew what would happen this year. Add it right here for everyone to see. One of us isn’t telling the truth and it’s not me…Be better
1 hour ago, Mat68 said:Right. That is the gamble they made by doing the Diggs trade. The top 3 pass catchers in Qb rating when targeted last season were Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Thats who the passing game is going to feature. May not like it or agree with it, but that is what they are doing imo.
Oh, it’s going to have to. Do I think that group stack up with other good offenses? Of course not. I like all 3 players but with the exception of Kincaid they are nice role players not lead guys. That’s the issue.
The top of the depth chart needs to be filled. Hopefully they will grow this year, maintain and get an alpha in 2025.
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10 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
He also had 12 in 2 playoff games. Multiple games he had 6 targets. If he averages 6 targets a game thats 100. I do not think it is an unreasonable amount. Projection yes. Something Buffalo wants to explore more? Yes.
Oh, I think he will be at 85+. I’m not arguing that he will be thrown the ball more. He needs those targets. I was just saying that, “he didn’t have volume last year.” He didn’t. If he can be as productive on double the targets, he will be a really good player.
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1 hour ago, White Linen said:
He did provide volume. Targets are the stat you choose as your hill. You're the one that says you know what will happen this year, yet preach to me. You don't see the future and can't admit the past, yes, we need to be better around here.
You think being smug makes you smart. When it's actually your inability to accept any opinion except your own - that contributes to the negative of TBD.
You can't understand he's been on 3 teams? Saying it's 4, is adding fluff.
Bro, you’re tripling down?!? He was thrown the ball 45 times last year. What is a better volume stat for a WR than targets? 🤣🤣 That was tied with Nick Westbrook Ikhine and 1 behind Luke Musgrave. I believe that was 113th. Just stop or I’m going to continue dragging you and your false information.
For the 100th time, no one knows what will happen this year. What we do know, is he was effective with 45 balls thrown his way. Stop arguing with facts.
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Gotta love, “Josh it’s up to you to raise the level of skill around you.” That’s fireable imo. I’ve been a huge Beane supporter since he got here. I’ve been lukewarm on McDermott.
Phillosophically, I differ from them greatly on that. If Josh Allen were my QB, I would invest every prime asset I could in surrounding him with elite talent. You’re going to win BECAUSE of him. Their philosophy is that it doesn’t matter who’s around him because we have him. That hasn’t worked to date.
Please don’t talk about the assets that they invested in Diggs, etc.. I don’t want to have to pull the data again of the assets allocated to the DL over WR. It’s disgusting. Depending on how this year goes, I would be okay pulling the plug on this regime. Lots of people could win 11 games and 1 playoff game with Josh Allen. I’m ready to try something different. That’s not good enough with that unicorn playing QB. You’ve failed him.
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18 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:
At this point in their careers, Claypool is just as good as Gabe Davis. He's the perfect replacement.
One guy was voted as a team captain and recognized as the hardest worker on the team. The other was paid to stay home from his team. They improved when he went home. He’s a terrible teammate.
Claypool had 77 yards and 1 TD last year. For perspective Sherfield had 86 yards and 1 TD. Before you say, “go back further” Claypool had 451 and 1 TD in 2022. Sherfield had 417 yards and 2 TDs. Why are we pretending that this guy is someone that he isn’t?
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
KJ getting in the mud is quite a sight. Someone let the dog off the leash!
I’m tired man. Having a different opinion is great. Healthy debate is what makes this place fun. If you’re going to say something defend it and be specific. There are way too many posters now just talking out of their 🍑. Lastly, don’t make claims that can easily be fact checked. Certainly don’t double down on it. We all just need to be better around here.
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2024 Draft Embedded--Has Dropped.
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Coleman is so damn likable. I really hope that kid can play. He will instantly be a favorite of the fans and media.