Kirby Jackson
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14 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
How is that weird? Seems close to equal value when you consider the cap dump.
What was the goal? That’s why it’s weird the Steelers were like, “we will take a CB upgrade and a TE upgrade in exchange for our 2nd best player (who is 27).” It’s weird. If you’re pushing your chips in, you deal draft picks. I don’t really understand it for Miami either. They were like, “we will trade our only outside CB and our only TE for a great safety.” It’s weird
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Weird trade. Fitzpatrick was the best player traded. Miami gave up 2 good players. This was a Madden trade
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12 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said:
Heading to NYC for a magical weekend with my buddy.
- Flying in Thursday 9/25
- Friday Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black 9/26
- Saturday 1:05 Baltimore @ Yankees (followed by college football at sports bar) 9/27
- NFL Sunday in NYC (Saints @ Bills 1PM) 9/28
- Return Monday 9 /29
So, I need some advice/reco's about where to stay and where to watch the Bills game.
We haven't booked a hotel yet. See our schedule above where would be a good area? Specific hotel reco's?
What's the best NYC Bills Backer bar to go?
Any suggestions for after the Yankees game for a good place near there to watch college football games?
Thanks!
Go Bills! And USA USA USA (Ryder Cup - and look for me on TV, I'll be wearing my red, white blue Josh Allen jersey along the course)
There’s a JetBlue Flight that leaves JFK at 8:22 and gets to Buffalo at 10 PM. It’s currently $84!! You can do Ryder Cup, Yanks and be to Buffalo in time to get a good night sleep before hitting the tailgate. Ultimate dudes weekend
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35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
He reached a point pry after seeing the impact of Art Modell leaving that he wanted his sole legacy to be keeping the Bills from leaving. He just played it close to the vest while still threatening to move the team every time he wanted public money. The $400m relocation fee was his "final act" in trying to convince Buffalo that all he cared about was the city and the Bills staying in Buffalo imo. Even with that lease the Bills could've paid the $28.4m loophole in 2020 to get out of the lease and some owner like Bon Jovi could've easily moved the team to Toronto.
It wasn’t that simple though because the transaction was years earlier. I don’t remember all of the specifics but knew it pretty well at the time. I had some contacts that were heavily involved (and that’s an understatement). Basically, a sale wouldn’t have been approved to someone who planned to relocate the team. From what I recall, the $400M wasn’t really an option because of some other language in the deal. The team could not be relocated until 2020 or whatever and the league would not allow an owner to operate in a lame duck situation. That’s why some potential buyers pulled out after getting more details that weren’t public. Ralph, Littman and crew put all of this in place with NY. The reporting back then was filled with 1/2 truths and fear mongering. I posted a bunch on it at the time of the sale and the info that I was getting was from those involved. Lol, back then, things didn’t stay as quiet on the inside.
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1 minute ago, Snowbowl said:
I think he would be extremely happy for Buffalo and cheering them on all the way. Say what you want to about Ralph but he was a good man and we all should be thankful he was the owner of the Bills and kept them here.
Ralph (and team) negotiated a lease that would make it impossible for the Bills to leave Buffalo. Toronto was never an option and that’s because of Ralph’s efforts. He would be thrilled that the team is doing so well (his wife is still there every week). Well beyond that though, he’d be ecstatic that the new stadium is being built and the Bills will be in WNY long after that last lease. He got his wish.
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11 minutes ago, FireChans said:
“Baker is the worst QB that I would give franchise money to” is not a controversial take!
It absolutely is!! That’s why people have been on you. He had 4500 yards and 41 TDs!! The year before he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. That’s not, “I wonder if we should pay this guy” money. That’s, “we have one of the best QBs in football” territory. He’s been good in the playoffs too.
To be clear, I am not suggesting that I’d take Baker over Mahomes. This is just some perspective:
I’m not trying to derail this conversation but the suggestion that Baker COULD be the worst franchise guy is lunacy.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Bro I STG I’m not having a Baker conversation I don’t care.
We all own it when we suggest something controversial. You threw him out in a conversation with guys that aren’t on his level. You’ve since been bombarded with numbers as to why he doesn’t belong there. If you’re lower on Baker than most, fine. If you are suggesting that there may be debate to who is a worse player Baker or Lawrence, you’re going to be challenged to defend that.
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12 hours ago, FireChans said:
He was arguably a top 5 QB last year.
2 years ago he was almost out of the league.
like I said, opinion noted lol.
2 years ago he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. You’re WAY underrating Baker. He’s a top 10 QB. He’s not in the Tua/Lawrence/Kyler tier. He’s in the group with guys like Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Dak and Goff.
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.
Baker was my 8th best QB. He doesn’t belong in this conversation. He isn’t a fringe guy. 4500 yards and 41 TDs is not a low end franchise guy.
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Man, that’s not fair to Baker. He’s coming off 4,500 yards and 41 TDs. He had 4,000 and 28 TDs the prior year. Him being suggested makes me uncomfortable.
To answer the question, I think Tua, Lawrence and Darnold are the guys that would qualify. It’s tough to want to move on from them but you don’t win because of them IMO.
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This is a good question and I think it’ll be pretty close. Each will get a decent amount of targets. I’d probably say receptions: Diggs, yards: Shakir and TDs are a bit of a crapshoot.
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41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Where did I say he should have been fired? I said without a SB win that missing the playoffs 3 straight years also following being suspended a season is not something many coaches survive WITHOUT the SB win on the resume.
McD's record is better by most measures except the SB win - yet there is no way McD survives getting suspended a season and then missing playoffs 3 straight years with McD.
And to say he is miles better because of some list is silly. There is no way Tomlin and Stefanski are better HC's than McD and yet they are on this list for example. These lists are not in anyway proof of anything other than a list one person made and published.
So you are giving Sean credit for a 2nd SB win, in which he didn't even reach, because he got a bad call in the playoffs? So why are you not giving McD a theoretical SB win then after the Refs stole the game this year first not giving Kincaid the first down on 2nd down when he was nearly a yard past the FD marker and then again not giving Josh the first on 4th down when he was clearly there? That was at least an 11 point, maybe a 15 point swing in the 4th quarter of a game we were up 1 with. Chiefs got the ball back and scored plus a 2 point conversion to go up 7 when we should have had the first (twice) and were already in FG range and yet would have had a first and still a chance to score a TD as well.
So sorry - to say Sean would have had another is 100% hyperbole as they not only didn't win the game they were in, you don't know if they would even win the next game or not. And given they were in a game where 1 call could swing it shows they were not so dominant that you can just give them a "gimme" on any other games after that.
I get you are a Sean fan, nothing wrong with that. But I don't agree there is this massive gap between Sean and McD, and again, if McD wins a SB, his resume will be better than Seans by most metrics, and will have done it with less to work with around Allen. You spend every offseason criticizing the weapons around Allen, meanwhile Brees had Colston, Graham, Kamara, Thomas, etc and they still won single digits 7 times, had plenty of bad playoff exits, and missed the playoffs 6 times.
The point was that McDermott and Pegula’s relationship is NOTHING like Payton and Benson. He did tons wrong (pill scandal, other drugs, bounty gate, has a child with a Saints cheerleader). Payton was bulletproof because of his relationship with ownership.
I’m not arguing for Stefanski. I’d argue for Tomlin. He has a Super Bowl and has never had a losing season!! I don’t love his style but he’s a HOF coach. I said McDermott is like Purdy. Someone else said Dak. That’s good by me. He’s a borderline top 10 guy. He’s not bad. He has been BAD in the biggest moments which is why he doesn’t belong higher on the list.
In terms of the 2nd Super Bowl, there is no call, EVER, even close to the Robey-Coleman PI. They kick a 30 yard FG as the clock expires. That wasn’t a hypothetical or a close call. Google, “what’s the worst missed call in NFL History” and see what comes up. If they make that 30 yarder (or whatever it was) they’re in the Super Bowl. They would have been playing a not so good Pats team. That game was awful. Payton’s team would have showed up.
Where we disagree is that I think pretty much any average coach could have achieved what McDermott has with Josh Allen. Lots and lots of guys could have won the divisions that he’s won and the playoff games that he’s won. He has yet to win the big one and he’s had lots of chances. He’s 0-5 vs. KC & Cincy in the playoffs. His defense has been nonexistent. He’s a defensive coach!! You can’t be bad in big games and be considered good. Look at the way people trash Dak and Herbert and Lamar for their playoff performances. That’s McDermott. That’s not Sean Payton.
8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:I think he is a very good coach. No question. But I don't think if my issue is getting over the hump in the playoffs that his playoff record over the last 15 years stands up to any serious scrutiny.
He’s 9-9 in the playoffs. He SHOULD be at least 10-10 or 11-9 with 2 championships. That’s better than 7-7 with no Super Bowl appearances.
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42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
A long time ago.
I get it you are banking on him having a bit of genius and getting you over the line once. He might have done. It's possible. But his recent playoff record has to be considered in deciding how likely it is IMO.
Payton has been good for a long time though. He went to the NFC Championship after 2006 and took an undermanned Broncos team to the playoffs in 2024. He won a Super Bowl in between then and should have went again 5 years ago. I think Payton is an offensive genius. He’s an idiot but he’s an arrogant genius. He doesn’t tense up in the biggest moments. He pushes his chips in.
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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I get that. But that proof is a hell of a long time ago. And he hasn't been losing to Lamar Jackson types since then. If only he had.
In Josh Allen’s prime, Super Bowls are all that matter. I’m not wowed by Wild Card wins or Divisional Round wins. That’s not the NFL. This is a ring culture. Sean Payton has proven that he can win.
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
IMO, going 0-4 vs the same HC/QB who aren’t going anywhere anytime soon is just as unacceptable as losing to Case Keenum.
It’s hyperbole that they would’ve won the SB. They would’ve gone to the SB.
They would have kicked like a 30 yarder to go to the Super Bowl. I think that they would have rolled that Pats team. That was the worst Super Bowl in history.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Payton is a very good coach too. But his playoff record since he won his Superbowl is atrocious. Not just a slight underachievement. If McDermott had lost to the teams and QBs Payton lost to with Drew Brees under centre he'd already have been fired IMO.
I get the lightening in a bottle genius gameplan theory. Because Payton is capable of that, no doubt. But my word he loses some games you just cannot lose in the post season. I think McDermott has one of those - 13 seconds.
I’d rather have lost a game, like Baltimore last year, in exchange for a Super Bowl title 13 seconds year. Payton has proven that he can win the big one. McDermott has not proven that.
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
No. Is it possible? Sure - is it assured, not at all.
The only year Sean won a SB or even reached one was when the Saints were riding an emotional high from the Katrina disaster and their defense was actually making plays. Outside that, he struggled to even consistently make the playoffs with Prime Brees, Kamara, Graham, Thomas, Colston, and a load of other offensive firepower and talent through the years. The amount of high end or elite weapons Payton had compared to the Bills is a wide gap, and yet Sean and all his offensive genius missed the playoffs several times or got bounced early.
Sean missed the playoffs 6 times with Brees in his 15 seasons there (16 but he was suspended 1 in 2012).
In half the seasons in NO that he coached (not counting the 2012 suspended season) he won single digit games of 9 or less.
He missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons with prime Brees.
Again, the bulk of Seans time there included an all time Great in Brees in his prime and a lot of elite weapons around him yet the results were not always stellar and even in their best seasons were losing in the first or 2nd round, including winning 11 games and losing in the first round to Seattle who got in with a losing record with only 7 wins.
So he isn't the fix it all savior I think some see him as. If it wasn't for the one SB win, his overall record would be much less impressive and quite honestly, he probably wouldn't have kept his job after 2012 suspension and would have also probably been fired sometime during the stretch where he missed the playoffs 3 straight years with prime Brees. Imagine McD missing the playoffs 3 straight years with Allen.
I was in New Orleans for the Payton years. I know those teams better than most. The thought that Sean Payton would have been fired back then is BEYOND absurd if you understood the dynamics of the ownership/leadership of the Saints/Pelicans. Loomis/Lauscha/Payton were/are Gail’s entire leadership team. They are way closer to family than to employees. They didn’t fire him when his wife left him and moved to Dallas. He commuted to New Orleans after he knocked up the cheerleader. Payton isn’t a good guy but he is miles better as a football coach than McDermott. That’s why he’s 2 on this list and McDermott isn’t in the top 10. Payton elevates the talent on his teams. Those Saints teams weren’t as talented as some are making them out to be.
They didn’t go to the Super Bowl after Katrina. They went to the NFC Championship and lost to the Bears. He won the Super Bowl after 2009. They would have won again if not for the worst call in NFL History (not hyperbole).
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
You are a Payton guy, but if McD went 7-9 three straight years with prime Josh Allen, there would be blood in the streets.
Payton had the better highs, but I don’t think he’s THAT much better tbh.
If Sean Payton were here since 2017, do you agree that they’d have at least 1 Super Bowl? He would have been to Allen what Reid is to Mahomes.
1 hour ago, QCity said:I would say he's more like the Dak Prescott of HCs. He can put up some great numbers that everyone will point too, but in the back of your mind there's always that thought of "Hmm not sure if this is the guy that can ever get it done." You could do better, but you also could do a LOT worse, so you hope the stars will align one year.
This is fair.
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6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Payton's ahead of him because of getting a rookie QB to the playoffs or whatever. But he was absolutely outcoached in the playoffs against buffalo to an almost embarassing degree. That was the popular "Upset alert" and they promptly got stomped.
To me - PFF is supposed to be the "analytics" group, and this article didn't offer much of anything to back it up.
Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott.
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I’m not big on McDermott. I think he’s fine. He’s like the Brock Purdy of HCs to me. He could be top 10. It’s not an outrage that he’s not. McDermott has a generational QB who has been outstanding in the biggest moments. McDermott and his defense have failed in those moments. You could do worse but you could do better.
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2 hours ago, Buffalosouth said:
Chris Hogan played lacrosse
Ryan Fitzpatrick - he went to Harvard
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We played with him in the alumni tournament a few years back and he got so high he couldn’t get out of the cart on the back 9. 🤣🤣
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This was weird. I think that the comment would be different if he/Miami had success against the Bills. The Bills have used Cover 4 and dominated them 🤷🏻♂️. He just comes across as whiny. If he/Miami were having a ton of success against the Bills defense, his comments would be much more effective.
Who is the worst franchise QB in the NFL?
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The question isn’t “worst starting QB” it’s “worst franchise QB.” Those aren’t interchangeable. The question, as @FireChans asked it, is basically, “who is the worst QB that you’d pay franchise money to?” No one is paying AR franchise money. He might be backing up Daniel Jones.