The Dean

Definitely backup, but with gameday experience. IMO a better NFL QB than Tebow, actually, who is no longer a backup. I think it's about done for Orton and think he's all but retired. I'm not against picking him up, but I believe we can do better. Currently employed. (But perhaps not for long.)

Let me attempt to translate. I believe when the OP states "it could appeal to TJ Graham or many other cases" he means "it could apply to..." Now we're getting somewhere. It seems the OP believes the Bills are shopping only Urbik and/or TJ Graham and wonders why they aren't shopping a number of players and taking the appropriate offer for whoever another team will trade for. Like Ebay listings. OK, joking a bit. Well, I'm sure the Bills will listen to any trade offer out there. But Urbik and Graham are perceived to, perhaps, have some trade value. Graham because he has world class speed--which teams seem to like. And Urbik because he was a starting G for awhile and teams need guard depth. While I think they would LOVE to trade Legursky for a bag of chips and perhaps a cold drink, the likelihood anyone would take him is low. Just because you read reports of Urbik and/or TJ Graham being shopped, don't think for a minute the Bills wouldn't be thrilled to get an offer for Legursky or some lesser player who looks to be getting the axe.

Did he used to go by a different handle? I mentioned when I first came back that I thought I recognized his particular brand of stupid. But I didn't realize he was bad enough to wish injury on a player. Now, I want to apologize in advance if he has some sort of learning disability (but only if it is a serious one) or is perhaps 12 years old, or younger.

Sounds pretty sincere to me. Can barely keep from crying.

Good post, Rubes. One can see how the FO thought the backup QB position was in...well...reasonable hands give the performance of Thad last year. I still would have liked them to bring in a vet backup, just in case. Unfortunately Thad seemed to tank and Tuel, while maybe a bit better than last year, is still very raw. I expect the team to bring in a vet backup now, but as you note, it will be weeks before that QB is ready to see the field, It takes much longer during the season as there just isn't the kind of time to prepare. Either way though, it comes down to EJ and that would have been the case had the backup vet been brought in during the offseason. The Bills will only feel the pain if EJ goes down...say before the bye.

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/170126-dont-drink-this-alone-unless-youre-a-bills-fan/

I believe the Bills got most of what they expected from Palmer. Information on Chicago, a couple meetings with EJ and a no-lose QB to play the final preseason game. Of course he had the chance to impress. But what were the chances this guy was going to come in with 2-3 days of prep with and light it up? He was fed to the Lions, as it were. I don't believe he was ever expected to stick with the team. He came, had his meetings, played a meaningless preseason game---and out the door. I don't really believe the Bills are too disappointed with Palmer's play (as it would have been crazy to expect anything much better) but rather with the performance of the rest of the team.

Ah, I didn't realize Dibs was from down under. Yes, I believe they actually pay their servers a living wage. Too bad we can't do that, Canadians tip, though generally very poorly.

Just curious, Dibs, what culture are you from? I agree this is a fairly crappy way to do business, but that's the way it is in this country. I tend to overtip as I worked as a bartender for years and I know that, and waiting tables, can be a thankless job. Plus you are typically paid well below minimum wage. Sometimes I even minimally tip crappy service, but if it is bad enough I won't. I tip in takeout places and basically anywhere where they accept tips. I tip the AAA guy who comes to jump my battery. Why not? It shows appreciation. A human kindness extended. But as others have noted, I will NOT be bullied into tipping.

What a total classless piece of garbage you turned out to be,. Rooting for a player to be injured. Why are you still allowed to post?

The thing is, let's assume that going for it under certain succeeds three times out of four. This is true with a small sample size (comparatively) since teams typically punt. If teams (or even one team) goes for it on every occasion, the mindset of the defense changes. It's not longer a surprise, or unusual. It's now expected. I would expect that ratio to shift, once those changes were noticed. But for a short time , you might be able to take advantage of the mismatch between perception and reality.

I perused these (I admit I didn't read completely through them yet). Of course they do not PROVE it is better to not punt. At best, they may support the notion.

Who's Boyst?

Well, yes it was misleading. As was the original post and the post I responded to earlier. No punts is far different than fewer punts. If we had a great punter, I'd tend to disagree. But Moorman has been miserable this preseason and wasn't much better last year. If he could be relied upon to get the ball inside the 10 (or even 15) consistently, I'd still probably choose to punt more often than not. But once you are inside that grey area, where it's too far for a FG but a punt would likely go out of the end zone, then sure. Give it a go.

Fewer than you think, nowadays. That was the case years ago, but DOs are a regular part of most hospitals and many practices have a mix of MDs and DOs. Plenty of DO surgeons, too.

And when it's 4th and 25, on your own 10, because of multiple holding penalties and/or tackles for loss, just go for it. Right?

Shoop is an idiot, but even for him this is stupid. Yes, let's give the opponents great starting position on their drives. Brilliant!

All true,, Which is one reason why I prefer a DO, Not that you can't get a bad DO, or MD, but at least a DO can treat you for things that a chiropractor simply isn't equipped to do. And typically they won't attempt any manipulation until they know the scope of the issue, to prevent the sort of thing you describe. I've made crappy posts too.

A very narrow-minded and misguided position, to be sure. A good chiropractor (or DO) does more than "crack your back" and it is now fairly common for MDs to refer patients to them for certain conditions. Of course, manipulations aren't right for every sort of pain, of course. But I recently had a major sciatic attack (I have some L4 damage) that lingered for months. I do a series of back stretches and exercises, but that wasn't enough to relieve the issue, and might have been exacerbating it. The nerve pain radiated down my leg and settled in on my right calf. I was barely able to work, as the only way I could relieve the pain was through narcotics, which dull the mind a bit. Anyway, despite the pain, I traveled to Buffalo for my yearly vacation and to see my DO there. I explained that I didn't feel I was walking naturally anymore, and might have been making the situation worse, by compensating in some way, for the pain. He asked me to stand up straight and looked at me from behind (nice ass!). He noticed my right shoulder was positioned significantly lower than my left. Several manipulations later and I was straightened up. I had him take photos to show me the difference. It didn't cure it all, but I have managed to cut way down on the medication and resume the back exercises,. You might argue the pain is psychosomatic (though I doubt you really understand that based on the poor quality of your post) but you can't argue the straightening of my back was physical and, almost two months later, not temporary.

I prefer to go to a DO, who are real doctors that also have chiropractic training. My lifelong doctor in Buffalo is a DO and is Very good (he also one of my oldest and best friends) as is my doctor in St Augustine. As some have mentioned Chiropractors can be a crapshoot (as can doctors for that matter). I'd avoid any Chrio who believes all diseases can be cured with manipulations. When I worked in SF, a guy in the sales dept had a very bad back (like me),. He swore by his Chiropractor---the BEST! Seems he'd been going to him, once a week, for over three years. Yikes! That's not the kind of Chiropractor I was looking for.

Just when you think you've seen the stupidest post on TSW, someone else steps up. Congratulations. BTW, Orlosky sucked too, But Moore looked pretty good.

You may be right.

It's not tipping I believe in, it's over tipping. --Vinnie Antonelli

Zero downside, probably. But that doesn't jive with playing EJ. BTW, the site seems to be screwy. If I read one thread, every other thread seems to be marked as read.

I think that's simply the way of talk-radio, these days. Reasoned discussion is, apparently boring, these days, though I don't think it's given much of a chance. One show succeeds with rude hosts, fake controversy long rants, and then come the copycats. Radio program directors are a clueless lot, in general. You can see it happen on TV, too, Pardon the Interruption was very successful and had two guys often taking opposing positions. Now that seems to be the formula for every panel. Around the Horn? The two morons who scream at each other on the AM show? PTI succeeded because the hosts were articulate, funny and work very well together (they often agree completely, who'd a thunk that was allowed?). But apparently you can put any two, or six, morons on camera and tell them to shout at each other--and to take an extreme a position as possible.