What a Tuel

People aren't really going out on a limb when they claim a team won't go to the super bowl, so I take it with a grain of salt. They are playing with straight up 32/1 odds after all. Odds are they will be right, and can say they told us so. We all know that isn't how it works though. I'd rather go through, you know, actually rooting for my team before making such proclamations. To each their own. Edit: Why isn't this a done deal? I surely hope he isn't holding out for more money or something.

Obviously EJ will need to improve from his performance in the last 4 games he played, but his rookie year performance beats McCown/Orton. Towards the end of the season I wasn't seeing a difference between Orton and EJ. Orton was underthrowing receivers, leading them into big hits, and was a statue in the pocket. He was better his first 4-5 games but after that....

I don't think losing to a bad team, or winning against a good team is irrelevant no. These teams have records for a reason, and the best records (most of the time) go to the post season for a reason. It is very relevant.

Yeah...we aren't supposed to talk about that.

I guess I see it if you put it that way, but the way you phrased it earlier seemed as though Hoyer blows McCown out of the water, and I don't think thats the case. I would agree about Hoyer still having potential upside compared to McCown who has none..

And at the same time lost to the arguable worst team in the league - the Jacksonville Jaguars. Although now that they have Marrone on coaching their O-line, and Hackett coaching their QB's, the sky's the limit!

What are peoples infatuation with Hoyer? He hasn't done anything in his 6 years in the league either, granted he was a backup for most of them. With Josh Gordon back he went the following for the last 4 games with the playoffs on the line Won Falcons 322 yds 0 tds 3 ints Loss Bills 192 yds 0 tds 2 ints Loss Colts 136 yds 0 tds 2 ints Didn't play against Bengals Loss Panthers 134 yds 1 td 1 int (Partial game)

What do you want to bet? It takes Mccown 11 seasons to get comparable stats to EJ Manuels rookie 10 games haha.

Lets use that community money we raised to keep the Bills here, and buy the video and extort Dez to come here!

I think that was speculation as a result of your first question of why they wouldn't have just released the video.

If the above were true, the extortionists would likely want to keep their source of income and not be so quick to release it. It will come out in time though.

What are the repercussions if that was the case? For some reason I wouldn't put it past Jerry Jones....

Oh, so a bad o-line, bad offensive coaching, bad running game are all valid excuses as to why a QB's play would suffer? I would never have guessed. EJ (Rookie - 10 games) 28 20+ yd passes Bradford (Best year - 16 games) 41 20+ yd passes I know, I know, eye test something or other.

To scared

I thought Bradfords agent basically came out and said "it was worth a shot"? Edit: I can't find where I read that so disregard it. On another note I heard noone has contacted the Colts about trading Luck! Luck might be a Bill!

This is great and all but some designs need an update like the Browns, and not just a brighter color. I think a new logo would revitalize that fan base, but then again it isn't my team so what do I know. http://i.imgur.com/w1rCbYN.jpgI think this one looks great and would give the Browns an identity. I know they aren't the "dawgs" but still something besides the Browns and a logoless logo. The identity of the team gets lost when it is named after a person that I would bet most Brown's fans couldn't accurately remember.

The guy broke his collarbone and we went from 2nd in rushing in 2013 to 25th in 2014. That is clearly not only a result of missing Spiller for half the year, but a clear indication something was wrong this past year on offense. Regression in all departments.

Ah, that makes it a bit better. Still pricey though with the draft pick.

They are multiplying! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473840/article/no-team-has-contacted-rams-regarding-sam-bradford

I tried Bradford comes with a $16.5 million dollar price tag. You are saying to give up a draft pick and obtain a guy with a 1 year $16.5 million dollar contract?

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473840/article/no-team-has-contacted-rams-regarding-sam-bradford Or not. "No team has contacted Rams regarding Sam Bradford"

I'm with you on wanting him back for a reasonable price. I think the running game suffered this year. We went from 2nd in ypg (144.2) in rushing in 2013, to 25th in ypg (92.6) in 2014. Something changed, and it was for the worse. I wouldn't put that all on Spiller.

I think the determining factor would be whether or not there is a suitable replacement. Getting rid of someone just to get rid of them is stupid. Keep him on the team while pursuing other options and competition, like we are doing right now. Most EJ supporters are all for bringing in competition, but stop short of throwing 50% of our cap space or more at that competition (ie bradford, cutler). God forbid, if we are in the same spot in 2016, and EJ beats said competition out, then we are playing the best QB option we have got. I don't think we ever stop looking for another QB though, even this year. Is that what people think happens when we play EJ? Cutting EJ at any point doesn't mean a magical franchise QB pops out of the hopper.

I'll never understand how we can all admit we have several problems on offense including tight end, o line, running game (as a result of oline), coaching, inexperience and yet these are all labeled as excuses as to why Manuel performed poorly. These aren't excuses they are legitimate reasons of why a player is not performing as expected. Whether or not Manuel will turn out to be good or not is debatable and no one knows the answer to that, but he certainly isn't being set up to succeed. I also find it interesting how Thad Lewis was able to go in and win us a few games last year, but this year in preseason he couldn't complete a pass. I also feel like Orton wasn't performing up to his par either most of the time.