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Backup RB's regularly put up high YPC. Bilial Powell put 5.5 YPC in 2016 and it sure wasn't because he had a mobile QB. Ryan Mathews put up 5.1 YPC in 2015 as a backup.

I guess I just don't agree with the bolded. Shady has had years like the one we've seen in 2016 without a guy like TT under center. TT does a lot for the offense outside of passing, which I absolutely understand. I'm just not sure how much of a net positive he really is. His 3rd down rate is very poor and then there's the self sacks/ditching clean pockets. I guess I expected him to take a clear step forward in taking what the defense gave him, namely 1 or 2 big time throws that would've changed more games. There were a lot of games in 2016 that one or 2 more throws by TT change the outcome. And I just didn't see him take that step. That's not to say if the defense made 1 or 2 more plays, the outcomes ALSO wouldn't have been different. To me, the extension was based on him taking a step, and his failure to do so kinda stifles my hope for him. He may be one of the more frustrating QB's to watch on any given Sunday.

Just wait til the Bills medical staff get a hold of him. They'll be telling us he's penciled in for TC the day before he has a surgery that keeps him sidelined for 10 years.

Maybe lighten up a bit, huh bud?

Trade for him with picks with escalators?

You just argued teams were playing tough D when TT cut it to a 1 score game. That means that they were 2 score games prior. It's like talking to a wall.

Not getting him to restructure is not the same as outright cutting him. He could've easily been forced to compete for the job in 2013. And he probably would've won it.

Depends on who you ask BADOL. I recall that being an excuse for being cheap in FA for 2 years. That's a very interesting way to consider it. However, as you recall, TT was extended when we knew Sammy was still having foot problems. It's not necessarily a hindsight argument when we knew Sammy was not 100%. Would we have to pay TT less if we were re-signing him now instead of in August? I think we might. As you have said many times yourself, the only way this team is pushing by the Pats is through an overload of talent and paying TT a couple million more is detrimental when that could net us Gilmore and another FA alone.

I hate the way you formatted your post. Very tough to respond to. A healthy Sammy and serviceable Woods is all the pass game really needed so long as Clay was involved and Shady was catching passes, given our high volume of run plays. This really can't be disputed, thus making Hogan a luxury to have. Otherwise, it's hindsight, after all the injuries, so bravo. There was clamoring galore that the Bills in the 2016 offseason needed to target a "true no. 2" This insistence was repeatedly met with two things: a request to define what a "true no. 2" receiver is and what its relevance would be to an offense that runs the ball more than any other team in the league and already has a "true no. 1" a pass catching te and a pass catching rb. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. Sammy wasn't healthy, dunce. Clay barely got involved the year before, but of course we banked on that. They let a WR go for $700k and no compensation This is entirely false and misleading. He was a restricted free agent, they would have had to match the 3 year $12M the pats* offered. https://goo.gl/Re5EVJ Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. If the Pats had tried to sign him away with a higher tender (which would've cost $700k more for the Bills), we would've gotten a second round pick if we didn't match their contract. Dunce. Said WR puts up numbers that would've led the team, both in yards and TD's...with Tom Brady throwing him the ball in an offense that didn't skew nearly heavily toward the run game as the Bills' Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. He still outperformed every single WR on our team. Dunce. Said WR puts up a record-shattering playoff game performance in the second biggest stage in the NFL and almost singlehandedly wins them the game (as singlehandedly as any WR can win one, obviously the QB needs to throw it) Still no explanation as to how a single game performance in a divisional playoff game with Tom Brady at quarterback is in any way relevant to how his production in Buffalo would have panned out during the regular season. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. What explanation is necessary? He had a big game for a division rival. It doesn't have to speak to anything he'd do in Buffalo to sting. Dunce. And he does this all with a division rival that has buried us for almost 20 years. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. See above. Dunce. If you think anyone is going to "shut up" about that, you're delusional. No, I think everyone should STFU about it because they need to resort to convoluted nonsense to make the point (see above). Pretty clear where the delusion is in an argument that grafts stats accumulated in a home playoff game with Tom Brady throwing the ball onto the 2016 Bills offense. Whether or not Hogan would've had as good of a year on the Bills has no bearing on the fact that it sucks that he's playing well for a division rival, a team that most Bills fans hate with a burning passion, which makes it a story and something to talk about, whether you like it or not. Dunce.

Whaley changes seasonal goals on a whim. Cuts Fitz and goes with EJ for a rebuild, then a year later we trade up for Sammy and go with a stop gap in Orton. Doug Whaley is constantly in a fluctuation between "win now" and "reload."

They aren't 2 score or less games. They are 2 score games. Lollercoaster.

I guess that's why they traded for Bradford. Teddy's career could be done. Shame. Such a young guy.

Maybe next time use your eyes.

Wait what? Your contention was you want to stop hearing about Hogan because of his mediocre stat line. Which ignored him breaking records in the postseason.

Because it's newsworthy.

Did I say that either? Are you talking to the voices in your head?

You actually didn't need to realize that, because that's not what I said, you dope. http://nesn.com/2017/01/chris-hogan-passes-deion-branch-with-record-setting-game-for-patriots/ Perhaps you were unaware he set a postseason franchise record for the Pats. Ignorance is bliss.

It's really simple. Bills had crappy WR's for most of the year. They let a WR go for $700k and no compensation Said WR puts up numbers that would've led the team, both in yards and TD's. Said WR puts up a record-shattering playoff game performance in the second biggest stage in the NFL and almost singlehandedly wins them the game (as singlehandedly as any WR can win one, obviously the QB needs to throw it) And he does this all with a division rival that has buried us for almost 20 years. If you think anyone is going to "shut up" about that, you're delusional.

I am convinced that Orton wins that Houston game, but EJ only had 1 loss as a starter and it would be tough for any coach to bench a guy 2-1.

Hogan broke franchise records with NE.

You don't bank on a 4th round QB that the coaches played EJ over for the last year. We need to draft another. We don't come close to drafting QB's every year.

It was calculated risk. I disagreed with it at the time, but I could see the merit. If TT replicated his 2015 season or improved, he was gonna get PAID. Locking him in earlier bought goodwill for the team, as well as keeping his cap hit respectable, instead of putting him on the Brocketship path of overpaying. The obvious downside was if he didn't improve and in fact played worse, we'd be stuck either cutting him/not picking up the option, which shatters our goodwill previously bought, or overpaying him. I'd rather have let him play out 2016 and then re-signed him or let him test FA.

That's a very interesting way of thinking about it. But if I had to watch EJ sink a #4 defense to 4-12, I may have ended up making a Doug Whaley voodoo doll. I think if we didn't have the TT option right, we could probably extend him cheaper.

Beat down. Get em son! Garbage time TD's don't count because teams don't play prevent in the endzone!

Unless Sammy was telling TT at the line the defense is showing Cover 3, I don't see how it matters.