FireChan

TT is only a QB because of the Rooney Rule, eh?

So the point of "TT being a huge part" doesn't really matter if we were #1 with out him. I'd say it's no more than the threat of a QB beating you with his arm. I'd rather 1000 extra passing yards than 500 extra rushing yards.

The idea that the moderate position us inherently "correct" is inane and ridiculous. 1 guy argues murder should be illegal. Another argues that it should be legal. The compromise of manslaughter being legal is not correct.

If you take out every QB's rushing yards, we were still #1.

The gays are done. They barely qualify anymore as brothers in the struggle.

It's not because for the vast majority of QB's, the answer is probably yes. I take ownership of nothing. I said what I said and I meant what I meant.

Get a good enough defense and EJ could win a super bowl.

Maybe it would've. Maybe it wouldn't have. Maybe it would've been top ten because it shut out bums all year but still collapsed in big moments. Maybe it would've bailed TT out every game and we went 16-0. Who is to say?

In their peaks? Absolutely in the "will" list. Dak played at a high level and has a long career ahead of him. Dalton makes the postseason almost every year and has a decent shot of getting hot. Can't prove it.

That's fair. The grander point was that the call of "how likely this QB is going to win a Super Bowl" matters the most when you are re-signing them. With TT under contract 2 years ago, that wasn't as pressing of a debate, right? But if they are going to get paid, and definitely be your QB for the next 3-5 years, how confident you are they will win a ring is very important. And the converse is true as well. It doesn't really matter how confident you are in Rivers ability to win a ring today, because he's basically impossible to get rid of with his contract. Sometimes you'll be wrong and sometimes you'll be right. Lord knows teams have let guys go who they weren't confident in and it backfired. But I contend that if you're at a cross roads with a QB and you are in that "possible-unlikely" area, you ditch them.

It has to do with your confidence level when retaining a QB.

I mean it's a simple point y'all seem to be struggling with. Rivers at 27 compared to TT at 27, there is a league of difference in confidence that they will win a Super Bowl. But apparently that's debateable now?

Let's try a different tact. I'd say there's a lesser chance that ALL of those 22 QB's WON'T win a Super Bowl compared to the second list. Agree or disagree?

Yes you can. You can believe they will even if they don't. I believed Jim Kelly would win a Super Bowl. Did you? If you could go back to 1990, would you have no re-signed him and taken your chances on another QB?

I do. Obviously that list is subject to change with the younger guys, which I initially stated.

I am not doing that. This has nothing to do with what will actually happen. It has to do with the belief in your QB. If you do not believe your QB will win a Superbowl for your team, they are not worth paying. Whether they do or not is irrelevant.

Yes. I believe that that Atlanta Falcons and their fans believe that Matt Ryan is the guy who will win them a Superbowl. Do you disagree with that assessment? Should we have cut Jim Kelly and looked for another QB in hindsight because he never got it done?

Okay, I guess I wasn't clear in my criteria or my list. Obviously those older guys with years in the league have less chance than they did earlier in their career. No doubt. I was using them as a more abstract example. Take Phil Rivers. When SD extended/re-signed him, they had to ask themselves, "Is this the guy who will win us a Super Bowl?" And to me, that answer was yes, and so they had to keep him. I'm not making a comparison between Rivers today and Palmer today versus Tyrod today. I'm talking careers. When those guys in my list hit their contract negotiations, they were unequivocally believed as the "guys" who would win their team a Super Bowl. TT is not there. And that's why you have to let him go. Also that list is the "will" list. Not the "can" list.

I wasn't using them interchangeably. You're bringing it to an absurd conclusion. It's unlikely that any QB will win a Super Bowl, so dump them all? That's disingenuous. You either believe he will bring a trophy home for your team or won't. We believed JK would. The Colts/Broncos believed Peyton would.

Haha no. Stafford dude. Are you kidding? Call up Detroit and offer TT for Stafford. You'll get laughed at.

Citation needed, home slice. Right.. Do you believe he will win a Super Bowl? That was the original question and that's what I meant. If you don't believe he will, you have to dump him. Step back and realize that you're wondering if being a backup on a Super Bowl winning team counts.

Okay, maybe I'm not explaining this well. Obviously lots of QB's CAN. But it's the belief that they WILL. That belief does not necessarily have to coincide with what actually happens. But the distinction is I believe Blake Bortles COULD win a Super Bowl. I don't believe he WILL. I believed that Kelly/Marino COULD and WOULD eventually win a title and even though they did not, they were good enough that you believed in them.

It's not about if he does or not. It's about the belief that he can. Every GM in the NFL believed that guys like Kelly, Marino etc would win a Super Bowl, even if they never had it all come together.

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Normally, I can spin anything but that stat.....that stat is tough to defend.