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1.) You yourself admit the adaptation was NOT complete. End of story. Everything else is irrelevant. Just because he was ahead of JP and Todd Collins still does not PROVE Trent Edwards is a starting quality QB. 2.) Pure speculation. Medical experts are divided whether PCS even exists. The ones who do think it exists admit it is hard to diagnose, and there is more than one theory as to what causes it. Trent Edwards may or may not have it, but you are discussing from the position he does suffer from it without any proof that he actually does. 3.) Simple. The reason he went from promising to inept is because he never fully adapted. Defenses are not static. Once playerB figures out how to 'stop' playerA, playerB will continue to do so until playerA adapts. 4.) The reason Fitz is on his third team and has been a backup his entire short career is he is just not good enough. Coaching has very little to do with it at this point. However, despite Fitz's shortcomings, AVP has essentially stated he can run a more complex offense with Fitz than he can with Trent. That tells me Trent is not getting "it". To put it another way, Trent is not adapting. Why let Trent go? Because his own team mates have given up on him. 'Forcing' Trent on the players will not help his situation, and may make it worse. At this point, Trent's potential upside has shrunk, and he now carries more risk. The risk being possible PCS, and player dissatisfaction in the locker room. So the question is: Is Trent's potential (being a back up QB) worth the risk (PCS, team mate dissatisfaction) he carries? IMHO, no. Not for a back up. The Bills can always find another back up QB. Here's the problem. Even medical experts cannot agree if PCS exists. As I said before, the ones that do think PCS exists admit it is hard to diagnose. And you want the Bills coaching and/or medical staff to be held accountable for "missing" it? Up to this point, you keep arguing from the point TE is (or potentially is) suffering from PCS, yet you offer no proof as such. And before you run around trying to find evidence to support your position, here is what the Mayo clinic thinks about sports related PCS: PCS Risk Factors The first sentence is true. But I would counter most regular people are not being paid hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars a year to participate in a career that is finite in length. Let me ask you a question, would you be willing to pay someone millions of dollars a year and wait 10 years for that person to or not to develop? I'll disagree with your second sentence. If you think nobody is questioning your work performance (either as an individual or as a group) on the Internet, you would be mistaken. Go to any website that offers you the opportunity to express your opinion or write your review. Pick up the local paper in any major metro area. Go to the dining section and read the reviews. The performance of the wait staff and the cooks are being opinionated.

Why does it have to be "ruined him"? Why can't it be "he never learned to adapt"? Or, he has talent, but "not enough to compete at the NFL level"? So he beat out a back up, and that automatically translates into being a starter at some point? Could it possibly be being a back up QB is all Trent is good enough for? This has been brought up before. Assuming TE is "suffering" from PCS, then TE really needs to reconsider his career choice. Playing a violent game may not be in his best interest health wise. If the team had Trent's best interest in mind, they would actually dump his ass. Let another team contribute to Trent becoming mindless vegetable by the time he is 30. Interesting statement, as regular working men and women deal with this issue everyday of their working lives. Trent (or any football player and coach) is no different.

And I could be the "Disinterested 3rd Party" that would hold the money in escrow until the event took place. Trust me.

You forgot Evans Unless you are SouthGeorgiaBillsFan, than "ourselves" moves into the hate category

Can I quote you on this? Because this is in direct contradiction of what a lot of people (fans, front office, coaching staff, Trent(?)) were saying last year. Last year, those same people were saying the reason Edwards was NOT throwing the ball down field was due to the fact opposing teams could just double Evans, forcing TE to checkdown. Bringing TO on was supposed to OPEN UP the passing game, and thus revealing to us mere mortals, the true greatness of Trent Edwards.

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Sad part is, some people on this board WANT Brohm to start just so they can determine if we the Bills need to draft a QB in the upcoming draft. They guy has been here 5 weeks(?), plucked from another teams practice squad, and people want to use the next TWO games to make a definitive answer on a project type player.

Thurman Thomas, the new GM of the Bills

Dog, you cannot blame THAT on anybody but yourself (and I'm not saying you did). That ... ooh ... wow ... ouch. TO made your list, and now you are attempting to qualify it. Here is your quote I responded to: The part in bold literally describes you and your reaction to TO. You blame Edwards inability to be a leader on TO, or more specifically, Trent's "refusal" to cater to TO. Back in June ... June .... it was revealed nobody on the team considered TE a leader of the team. June. Before training camp, and way before TO played a game in a Bills uni. Heck, even Kelly noticed a problem back in October (if IIRC). Kelly stated when the offense came off the field, nobody was communicating with each other. Trent went over to nobody, and nobody went over to Trent. True effective leaders do NOT sit in isolation with their thoughts. Show me any team, whether its competitive sports or in business, where the leader(s) is/are not communicating with everybody else, and I'll show you a team that is failing. Then stop blaming TO for Edwards failure. Otherwise, you "dislike a Bills player so much you throw all logic out the window in an effort to bash your own teams player".

True. But when people start talking about the cost of justice via the legal system, they are talking about the cost of justice itself.

Technically, he could be correct. There are 32 starters in the league. There are at least 32 back up QBs (second string, 32+ if you include third stringers). So, it IS quite possible Edwards better than 1/2 of the QB. Unfortunately, He is still nothing more than back up at best.

Wow, this team sucks. Good thing I am not a fan. Edit: Damn it. 5Wide beat me to it.

Wouldn't it be easier to list the things that do NOT suck? Such as: 1. ?

So says the guy who leads a crusade against TO. A bit of advice: Before preaching, better make sure you are practicing.

I didn't realize justice had a "price".

Hell, if this FO had half a brain, once Peters was traded, they would have signed/drafted a legit LT, and left Walker in RT position. Walker would still be here playing RT.

Didn't matter if the Bills ran the no huddle or not. Walker was destined to fail at the LT spot. He was too slow to play the position.

Johnson? Pffft. Peterson from Minnesota. Unless I am mistaken (and I could be), Vikings would be willing to accept a 6th or 7th round pick in 2013 draft.

Bunch of wussies. The Bills played the Browns in a "blizzard" (a blizzard I tell ya. Once in a lifetime type) just a couple of years ago.

Montana Grizzlies vs. Villa Nova Wildcats Congrats to Villa Nova winning their first football national championship. I only caught the second half, and for the last two minutes of the game, I thought Jauron had taken over the coaching duties at Montana. Down by 9, all TO left, and he has team throwing screens and dump offs. And their hurry up was about as fast the Bills. Even more interesting, Villa Nova did NOT go into prevent mode on D.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda ... But he didn't. In fact, he had the last opportunity, took 2 sacks, and looked completely lost and confused. Again, shoulda, coulda, woulda ... But he did win. No excuses need to be made. Keep kidding yourself. Nobody is claiming Fitz will be the savior, or is the long term answer at QB. But we also realize a QB that regresses in his development rarely turns it around. Trent is toast.

You are right, TO will be gone in a few weeks. And you can attempt to spin it however you want, but it will still not dispute the facts. Back in June, even before the team gathered for training camp, not a single player described Edwards as a leader. Got that? NOT A SINGLE PLAYER DESCRIBED EDWARDS AS A LEADER. Not Evans. Not Whitner. Not Lynch. Not Stroud. Not Josh Reed. Not Schobel. Etc ... After TO leaves, what will be your excuse be when the remaining players still say Trent Edwards is not a leader?

Accuracy is probably Fitzpatrick's biggest downside. But at least he is trying to win, and is a leader on the team. Can't say that about Trent "Not a Bills fan" Edwards.

Nope. Did you forget: Edwards - 21 sacks in 6 games Fitzpatrick - 17 sacks in 7 games

Hell, I wish. For the record: UA recognizes 12 NC, and that seems to be the universally accepted number among rational people*. (IIRC, the NCAA recognizes Bama winning 17 NC. Whatever.) * rational people = any non-Auburn fan, as most Auburn fans are freaking loony Unquestionable. If you go back and read through the thread, I even set out time frame of Tide fan expectation for Saban. An SEC championship wasn't really expected until the 4th or 5th year. Competing for a NC? Hopefully by the time his 8 year contract ran out. (Side note: Saban has already signed a 3 yr extension) Assuming Saban had decided to stay in the NFL in 2006, things would have gotten quite interesting. After being rebuffed by Rich Rod and Saban, I could not hazard a guess who would have ended up as the Bama HC. I know Paul Johnson was a candidate for the position, but would he have settled for being the "third" choice? As for Saban, IMHO, barring a miracle, Saban would have been fired after the 2007 NFL season. It's quite possible Saban may have ended up at Michigan (he did spend 5 years at Mich St). I wonder how Michigan fans feel about that possibility?