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You make a good point. They just need to sub Murphy in more often. The kid really will be our future. He is 3 years younger than both Ivory and Shady and he needs the ball more. I would be okay if they just kept on rotating all three in or focused on one or two of them depending on the game plan each week (like the patriots do).

I've been saying this since the beginning of the year. Shady has and NEVER WILL BE a between the tackles / every down running back. Whenever he does well its on sweeps / screens / slot crossing routes or anything that gets him the ball in space. He has NEVER been a ground and pound except once in a blue moon in order to keep a defense honest. I have NEVER understood why Dabol kept on "scripting" our first three plays as "shady up the middle" X 2 + "third and long pass" = "3 and out". It was especially confounding once we signed Chris Ivory and Marcus Murphy decided to show up. Here we have two backs that exceed at Shady's weekness and instead of USING them up the middle we just keep pounding shady instead. When Shady was injured last game my brother and I wooped for joy. Finally Dabol was going to be forced to use his RB's as they were meant to be used. Hopefully if / when Shady comes back he will realize that he has a stable of running backs that each have a "unique set of skills" and use them appropriately. It's okay to throw in a "trick" play now and then but throwing Shady at a 9 man box over and over isn't a trick. Its idiocy. Keep shady. Just start using him appropriately. Actually I would rather it with Shady / Murphy. I've been calling for two HB sets since week 1 and IMO Murphy is better than Ivory to this point.

Really all I want from this week is the same I wanted from last week. A step forward. They went from rock bottom to a small step above rock bottom and now I am looking for yet another step up. Being as bad as we are I can only ask that they keep developing and putting the pieces together and making small strides forward. I will be more concerned with W's next year

I was going to post exactly this. I can't imagine a change purse being bigger than this......seems odd. Also I came in at 12:25 at gate 2 and had about a 3 minute wait time to get in. The line to sing up for DD was about 10 minutes. They allowed us to bring in 5 bottles of water because of how hot it was. All in all a good experience. Bad game, good experience. Sorry yours wasn't. This is my first year with season tickets and I have only been to the 2 pre-season and yesterdays game....but so far my experience mirrors your own. It's a bit difficult to find times where you can eat or drink without missing some of the game but thats why we bring snacks in our clear bag

Sadly, every year the Pats pick up a player from our cut list. Some turn out and some don't but all of them give BB a heads up on whats going on behind closed doors. Its a smart move even if Coleman sees 0 action.

Finally. A thread that seems to get it. For the most part I keep on pushing the Murphy propaganda because the kid just keeps on lighting things up. He should at LEAST be put in there in some 1 - 10 situations. Put him in a few times WITHOUT McCoy, run him up the middle and watch him gouge the d-line for 3 - 5 yards a pop. THEN, put him in with McCoy...motion McCoy or him...move them around a bit....the defense won't know who to key in on. They have a serious player in Murphy and I can't figure out why they didn't start the year using combinations of backs. Before the 4th quarter the only time they put Ivory or Murphy in was to pass block....and EVERY time they put McCoy in it was an up the middle run play.....predictable as hell. I was literally calling the plays from my couch before they happened. I don't wholly disagree with you here. It's really just guess work though since they never TRIED putting Murphy, our best hard hitting / up the middle guy, in on first down up-the-middle runs. Instead they took CJ Spiller 2.0 on a rainy day behind a porous o-line and told him to run it into the big group of guys. I wonder why he wasn't successful. It's a mystery Count the men in the box. https://www.buffalobills.com/video/bills-rb-marcus-murphy-picks-up-22-yards https://www.buffalobills.com/video/marcus-murphy-goes-up-the-middle-on-7-yard-td-run Seeing a pattern? He sees the holes before they even develop and hits them hard and fast. He does the same thing on returns. Why he is so successful. Watch the last video posted here at 27 seconds....guy in his face before he has the ball. SPIN MOVE MADDEN STYLE....+ 4 yards.

off topic....but look at this guys arms. I am feeling manly jealousy Also, he is stating the size of my......boomstick

No wonders they went out of business. They thought their customer service was EXCELLENT because nobody ever called to complain. Lo and Behold nobody knew what number to call ;). curious where THEY get the animations from

where do you guys get all these JA animations?

Why is the kmart customer service number missing a number?

To be fair, with the WR and RB stats here...a lot of them didn't see action till the end of the game when the Ravens were putting their second stringers in.

He didn't look better than Nate.....but it seems that Nate only looks good in shorts and the pre-season. ?‍♂️ Some people tried telling me this....but I drank the kool-aid. Now I am regretting it :\. Put Allen out there till he puts up a worse performance....then put McCoy out there....didn't he play QB in pee-wee or something?

BTW guys. Try to find all the plays of Marcus Murphy in the pre-season. They stacked the box on him a couple of times and he STILL made positive plays....just sayin ;). Put in McCoy and Murphy / Ivory in a pro set and you never will know where it's going or who is getting it if you do things right. Instead every team knows that if its McCoy you just plug all the holes / set the edge and get a Tackle for a loss.

How dare we share an opinion? We must be at each others throats and disagree on everything! The sky is falling!! Seriously though, I completely agree. Did you notice in pre-season though when Murphy was given the ball with a defender in his face on MULTIPLE plays and he just ripped away from them, did an amazing spin move out of madden or bull rushed them down for positive yardage? The kid is going to be great. In the mean time he can at least be used for something other than pass protection ? Is it bad to hope that McCoy's inevitable injury comes sooner than later so we can stop trying to pigeon-hole him into something he isn't and suffer for it? How many 2nd and > 10 did we have because we were like "look....9 men in the box.....you know what McCoy is REALLY good at?...running up the middle against 9 guys." Rinse wash and repeat every first down. "hey look...its 2nd and 12....we have McCoy in. They will never see it coming. RUN HIM UP THE MIDDLE!". You don't need to become predictable to the point that every time McCoy is on the field you know its a screen and every time the others are in you know its a run up the middle....but you can try something new. Definition of insanity, trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results ;).

You are really set on bringing this thread back to "TT" arent you? :P. I don't disagree. TT did two things right. He protected the ball and scrambled with the best of them. Sadly that was all he did right and it was marginally enough to slide into a playoff spot DESPITE him, not because of him. To be fair, I loved him when he won the job and his first season. He had GREAT accuracy and seemed to be our next franchise QB. Then something happened and all his deep accuracy disappeared and he started playing scared.

Thank you Jerome007. I was starting to feel like my point was lost. To everyone else: First off, I get that we have SOOOO many other issues that making one adjustment wouldn't have won us that game. What I AM saying is that for the past two years we have take LeSean McCoy and used him as an every down / up the middle runner with a few screens now and then. This is NOT his game and we need to use the talent behind him to improve our running attack. We need to be using our stable instead of having three RB's, running one of them into the ground doing EVERYTHING and then only putting our other two in when he is hurt or they are needed for blitz pickup.

That's funny because my brother and I kept on joking about how they only flag LeSean McCoy. Every positive play we were like "wait....where is the flag...McCoy got yards....oh wait there it is ;)". I could turn it into a drinking game at this point.

OL didn't block well for murphy in the pre-season games either. What did he do? Made 2 - 3 guys miss. Pushed the pile 5 yeards. Turned negative plays into 2 - 3 yard gains by hitting a whole with explosiveness. I'd like to see if it was just him playing against vanilla defenses and less talent or if he really has it. Either way, mcCoy up the middle is ALWAYS a bad idea....just always. Bad...don't do it I agree. Hoping Allen can change that a bit. He is a pretty good scrambler (no TT). Grasping at straws here

So, we have 3 running backs in our RB "stable". McCoy who is a GREAT pass catcher / make a guys miss / bubble screen them to death RB with the occasional 20 yard race to the edge for a 4 yard gain. He has breakout ability in open space. Chris Ivory is "meh" but in the end he is just a hard runner that isn't that quick but will bowl over a few guys for a few extra yards and is a good "change of pace" back. Marcus Murphy.....man this kid is good. It's his vision. He sees the holes before they are there and hits them at top speed. He also has the strength to push the pile. In the end we have 3 RB's with slightly different skill sets but all I saw for the first 3 quarters of the game was "LeSean McCoy runs it up the middle" and was "somehow" stopped by the 9 guys they had stacked in the box. NSS. Explain to me why we didn't have a healthy dose of MM and CI up the middle while allowing LM do what he does best? Why is it that every OC we have had since we got McCoy seems to think he is an every down "up the middle" running back? Why is it that when its raining and our main RB (who LIVES on the cut that he can't possibly make on the wet ground) keeps on being given the ball and getting blown up? We have a stable of running backs and we need to start using them and adapting plays to their strengths instead of trying to use LeSean McCoy like he is Marshawn Lynch or Adrian Peterson. On a final note, I would REALLY like to see Marcus Murphy against a first string defense. He is gold every time he touches the ball and I want to know if its Nathan Peterman Syndrome or not ;).

Heck even pro football focus understands that the interception wasn't his fault. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-2018-panthers-28-bills-23. I'm sick of posting videos / photos that show the ball was BARELY behind him, NOT LATE, and maybe a few inches high. Ivory didn't have to slow down, turn around or otherwise break stride but instead just had to put his hands up and it bounced right off of them. THIS IS NOT HIS FAULT. I'll admit that he didn't play against a game plan but it was anything but vanilla (multiple blitzes with overloads etc....watch cover1.net) and he did a good job of getting out quick. Incorrect. Do you want to know why NP didn't face the same pressure AJM has? Time to Release. NP has had a TTR or less than 2 seconds for 90% of his throws. Also, Nathan Peterman moves the offense at a MUCH quicker pace. He gets the team to the line quicker, gets the plays off quicker. In fact he gets them off an average of 10 seconds faster than AJM did and last game it wasn't even close. Keeping the defense on its heals with a fast paced offense that keeps throwing dinks and dunks for 5 - 10 yards with some breaking out for more now and then is EXACTLY how the Patriots have destroyed so many people for so long. Is NP the next Tom Brady? lol hell no but he takes what Brady does well and replicates it to a certain extent. THIS is why it LOOKS like NP isn't getting pressure....because any oline can hold a block for 1 second. It's the reason the running backs look better with NP under center. They are so afraid of the quick plays and so hard on their heals that they don't go throwing 8 in the box and overloading the run. Simple fact is, Nathan Peterman HAS faced some of the same defenders as AJM and with WORSE oline in place at times and he STILL made plays. Allen has a higher ceiling but the current status has NP well above JA. and who drove the team all the way down the field to allow the easy walk in? Also, NP HAS played behind that bad oline and im sorry but the Panthers had ALL their starters in and were in fact blowing by the oline....but by the time they got to NP the ball was out. NP made our o-line look good and good QB's do that. I get what you're saying. You have your opinion. I have watched all the games over and over. I have seen them live and on replay....I have done my due diligence and from what I have seen, Peterman is our man for now. Lucky for you I am not the coaching staff. I will continue to have my educated opinion and I will nod and shake my head to whomever they decide to give the start because they see SOOOO much more than I get to. Their decision will be much more educated than mine. I'm done arguing with someone who has obviously given up on Peterman after his one poor debut. It's funny because I had too.....but then I saw him play this off-season and came to rational conclusions. Why can't you?

I'm not self involved. Maybe a bit self CENTERED ;)....but in honesty you were directly replying to my post so it makes sense that you were lumping me in with that crowd. As to Peterman being awful and being the worst starting QB in the NFL....you obviously have your opinion. It's barely grounded in reality and very heavily relies on your own personal feelings but you are allowed to have it. At this point I will just agree to disagree and move forward.

Agreed. Also, he is featured in the first "Bills embedded" and not to be offensive but he sounded dumb as a rock. Made absolutely no sense and filled the gaps with "no duh" statements like "the stronger man wins". He honestly sounded a bit dimwitted and his o-line production seems to be mirroring his mental capacity. Check out 8:43: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/buffalo-bills-embedded-episode-1-the-process

If you didn't say it I was going to. NP made our o-line seem decent whether he was with the starters or the backups. Not because he was an amazing scrambling QB but because he got rid of the ball before needing to scramble. To be fair, he also scrambled decently as well a few times.

I realize this. I'm not saying that he isn't fine. I'm saying that we can only expect more of that and next time he may NOT be fine.