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Never said it was "solely" on the D. But 13 seconds was 100% on Frazier. This game I would still say the majority of the blame still goes to him. Dorsey has a big share too. But taken together (last and this year) Frazier just doesnt have it when he needs to. Dorsey didnt seem to either last Sunday but I would say the jury is still out on him at best.

And the Bengals scored 27 points on us, and actually it should have been 31. So your point was?

I hope the Leslie retires story comes to fruition. Its our best avenue for a change. Why? Because McD is too scared to fire Frazier even though the last 2 playoff losses are on him.

The Chiefs were up 21-3 in that game and were cruising until Eric Bienemy got stupid and Mahomes got too cute. The Bengals were down and out but were gifted huge momentum with each dumb move. The collapse in that game was Billsian ! Even when the Bengals got up late, KC had a chance to win it in the final minute yet completely blew it. The Bengals deserve a ton of credit for not folding in that game and it was a superb comeback but they were gifted that victory by the Chiefs bumbling and arrogance. Had they come into Buffalo, We would have had huge momentum after knocking off the Chiefs and without all the major injury trauma of this season. I think we win comfortably this time last year.

Absolutely zero chance that would have happened as it did on Sunday. The Bengals were not ready for primetime last year. This year though they have matured and made a huge leap up. The SB game last year was the Bengals to win and they werent even close to the quality enough to finish!

Well Frazier's defensive style is from the 80s so it fits.

The Beat Down in B Town? The Battle of Little Big Horn? The Robbie Burns Day Massacre? The Chicken wing ding? The Tiger King?

A Reich organized offense would have been the finest gelato compared to Dorsey's low budget vanilla!

Thats where I first experienced the concept of a "Troll". Weirdly I dont remember the Bills fans that posted or much of the discussion (the Bills were so bad at that time) but I do remember some persistent ahole called "Man from Ct" (Pats fan) Who literally non stopped posted about the Bills choking in SBs. I do remember that Jets group too!

How about the Buffalo Bills usenet news group? Now that was some vintage tech. I think you accessed that from outlook express?

I meant adjustment 2 weeks later before game 2

Did the Bengals learn anything from the first game. I definitely think so. Their first possession was excellent, and the 2nd was working until the Hamlin injury. Unfortunately, with the horror of the moment the Bills and coaches wiped the first 8 mins out of their minds. Totally understandable. But 2 weeks later they should have revisited game film and quickly understood that had the game progressed we might have experienced a historic drubbing. At this point, they should have adjusted their defense to counter what they experienced. This they totally failed on.

I thought the Beane presser had some elements of mea culpa and a small dose of accountability but in the end who cares. I dont think they are going to fire either of the coordinators and McD is a sacred cow that will not be touched or even criticized for his actions. Many of the questions yesterday were far too respectful from the media. It might have been nice for someone (Jerry Sullivan .........cough.........cough) to be there to be a Sht disturber. I dont think Beane felt enough heat for what happened and it certainly wont be coming from the Pegulas.

Im convinced that if both Frazier and Dorsey had allowed Josh and the defensive captain to call the plays on the field and taken the coaching out of the game entirely, the results would have been better. Both the coordinators were outcoached and outwitted by their opposite numbers.

I think the Bills can win a championship but it will be in DESPITE of their coaches not because of them.

I think the Bills got a stop there only because the Bengals need room to run their offense and within the 10 yard line there isnt the optimum amount of space. Frazier cant run a soft zone with Dbs standing 10- 15 yards back because they literally dont have 10-15 yards from the LOS. Ironically Fraziers soft zone is forced by the field position to be closer to the receivers making its closer to man.

100% this was yet another example of McD, Dorsey and Frazier not having any contingency plan in place. It should have been obvious after the first Bengals possession that footing on the field was a problem. It was quite evident even watching on TV so Frazier should have been able to not just see it but test out what he had seen by walking on the field. Dorsey is up in the booth so perhaps a spotter on the field might have made that aware to him. McD no excuse. It was obvious the field was slick and players were having issues. He could have easily spoken with Frazier and changed things up and started playing closer to the line of scrimmage or man coverage. It also seemed like our pass rushers werent getting much burst or maneuverability. Once again McD has to change it up with Frazier in game. In short each coach should have adjusted to the weather and to what the Bengals were doing and they failed utterly. They were literally deer in the headlights or in another appropriate analogy, the Bills were like flies trying in vain to get through a screen door. Trying hard but due to poor strategy, repeatedly failing and wasting their efforts.

I was just thinking that, we need to get more members in the SB all time loser club. Its lonely with just the Vikings and us!

Yesterday I was indifferent to Sal C's apologies for the coaching disaster that Sunday was, but today? OMG Sal went full apology mode for McD. His take this morning , which I found mindboggling, was that McD gets conservative in the 2nd half of games as a default position to help the team have a chance. ..............HUH? He then went on to guess that maybe McD was thinking that when he punted in the 2nd half at 4th and 2, that the Bills D could "get a stop or 2" to get back in the game. HUH #2??? Now I know these takes are guesses by Sal and are big stretches by him. But Sal doesn't seem to get that if his hunches are true, they are not excuses for McD but further examples of his incompetence as coach. Punting when you are down 14 pts in an elimination game? Punting and thinking that you could get a "stop or 2" when your defense has been completely ineffective at stopping the opposing offense quickly all day? Sal please stop with the excuses and give us an honest assessment. You dont have to go full Jerry Sullivan on us but stop with the excuses.

A chance? A snowball in hells chance. Chase caught it and with his big body and momentum just pushed trey back for the first down. If Trey even slight jams him at the line instead of 5 yards back he has a chance. But definitely not in that scenario.

The Bengals have to win the SB to become dominant. KC did it and this has propelled to be perennial powerhouses with Mahomes. In addition, Burrow has already ripped up his knee once. If the Bengals are unlucky that could happen again and that will surely end the chances.

So Diggs supposedly said "dont listen to him"? repeatedly. I guess that was about Dorsey and his terrible playcalls? Thats just the truth. I think Josh succeeded despite Dorsey this season.

You think Reich is a "cute sentimental" choice? because he was a QB here? I guess a SB winning OC who took a pile of dog poop like Nick Foles and made him into a SB winner wasnt relevant to the thought process? As for the "ensconced" in Indy line, I'm sure he was ensconced in Philly before getting Indy, and he was probably "ensconced" in Buffalo when he played here. Whatever the hell that means .

1. We need an inventive offensive mind who is going to put Josh into the positions to succeed with better schemes. Dorsey is N0T that guy. We had a good sample of his "talents" and they were as close to Walmart Great value Vanilla ice cream as possible. I would fire Dorsey and hire Frank Reich. An OC that coached Nick Foles to a SB and a good fit with McD due to full Jesus love. 2. Frazier is too old school defensive mentality. Worked great on the 85 Bears, they just showed up and dominated but not anymore. He needs to be fired immediately. Yesterday he lost whatever credibility as a coach he might have had. Bring in a young defensive coach or a seasoned one. Anyone is better than Frazier. 3. Keep McD but next year is it . If you cant get us there, you are gone. TBH Im actually not convinced that McD should even survive after 13 secs and this embarrassment but I think the players like the stability he brings.

100% Sal has good takes but chooses his words very carefully. He criticizes only to a point or plays devils advocate. I miss the WGR of 15 years ago that didnt "tow the company line".