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I don't think this idea is as bizarro as it seems at first. Yeah, he probably doesn't want the job. But you don't know until you ask. As the OP says, Fitz is smart. He's played for so many different teams in his career against so many different teams that he's familiar with a bunch of different offensive schemes and techniques and a bunch of different defensive philosophies. And he has a good relationship with Josh. Fitz made a good career despite not being gifted with tremendous natural talent. Josh could learn from him.

It's interesting to me that Sean Payton is supposed to be a passing game genius, yet his receivers have poor separation. Yeah, I get the quality of the receivers matters. But you'd think a guy like Payton could scheme guys open. He's even worse at scheming guys open than Dorsey who is also poor at it.

Burrow's comments were short, somewhat generic, but positive. I live in hope.

I don't consider myself an X-and-O guy either. But I've watched some of the same videos as well as some stuff from Kurt Warner and Dan Orlovsky. And while some of these guys sometimes praised a particular call or play-design, I was left with the feeling we had a subpar OC. And, yeah, I started guessing Bills plays too. We've heard these things from opposing players, as well. They knew what we were doing. Orlovsky says we're wildly predictable and the easiest offense in the NFL to prepare for. With Super Bowl aspirations, we need someone better than what Dorsey is right now. I agree with all of this. The comment about Dorsey and Allen being close worries me. Watching Allen on the sidelines - he looked down. I watched McD's post-Dorsey interview. He looked morose, too. They both look to be at emotional lows. Dorsey's firing might not improve Allen's headspace. And I wonder who he'll blame. Himself? McDermott? The termination might eff with him mentally.

I'm not absolving Brady from all responsibility, but the job of an OC is far more than calling plays. And even when he calls plays, he might have marching orders about the general trend wanted by the HC for the play-calling. If you're an OC working for an offensive-minded HC is very different than being an OC for a defensive-minded HC. We don't know how tightly supervised Brady was in Carolina or how much he was (or wasn't) executing Rhule's scheme and vision. So I'm not going to damn the guy for his performance there. Orlovsky makes some very good observations about Dorsey's scheme and play-calling shortcomings. But it's undeniable that Josh sometimes makes poor decisions. Still, if we want to pile on Dorsey, we can blame him for that too. His title is coordinator but he's a coach. Isn't he supposed to coach out the bad habits and coach up the good stuff?

We've heard other analysts criticize the Bills offensive scheme and play calling. But Orlovsky might be the harshest critic: “the Bills are the easiest team in the NFL right now to prepare for… the play-calling has been wildly predictable… the Bills offense is schematically broken.” Well, it's too late in the season to fix the entire scheme. But Brady can fix the play-calling. And he can tweak the scheme. Will he? It's hard to know. Brady was Matt Rhule's OC at Carolina. We don't know how much of the offense was his and how much was Rhule's. In any case, Brady was pretty young when he had the gig. He may have learned and grown a lot since then. I remember when ALynn took over GoRo's offense here in Buffalo after Roman was fired (after the 2nd game in 2016). During his 13 games as OC with Tyrod as QB, Lynn averaged 27 points per game. Considering the circumstances, including the QB, that's impressive. For comparison, Dorsey is only averaging 26.2 points per game with Josh Allen. Midseason OC changes do sometimes work. I'm hoping!

I don't get some of the impassioned defenses of Dorsey. When I watch football, I'm just a fan. I watch the guy with the ball. I don't have the expertise or the inclination to break down the play in any detail. But after the game, I do like to watch the x-and-o breakdowns by guys like Eric Turner, Kurt Warner, J.T. O'Sullivan, and Dan Orlovsky. And the more video I watched, the more I lost faith in Dorsey. While all of these gurus have pointed out problems in scheme and play-calling, Orlovsky may have been the most vocal critic, insisting that “the Bills are the easiest team in the NFL right now to prepare for… the play calling has been wildly predictable… the Bills offense is schematically broken.” He'll happily support these opinions with examples and video. It's true that Dorsey didn't fumble the ball, throw the pic, fail to block the rushing DE, or any of that. Coaches need to coach and players need to execute. But I don't know how anyone can be a supporter of Dorsey after they've studied the tape. I'm not even saying Dorsey is horrible and will never coach again. It's just clear that he was not the guy to optimize the production of Josh and this offense. Believe whatever you want to believe about McD, but Dorsey had to go.

With Matt Rhule running the offense as the HC.

Thanks for the correction... Fingers moving faster than the brain. Regardless, I still don't expect Brady to be a puppet. But unless someone here intimately knows Brady's character and personality, we're all just guessing.

I don't think this is talked about enough. People wanted Dorsey fired. They want McD fired. But what about Beane? He's not blameless. When you spend a quarter of a billion dollars on a QB, you'd think getting him a bodyguard would be a priority. The Bills' woeful story this year has more than one author.

Typically firing an OC in the middle of the season doesn't result in a huge improvement. But as Dan Orlovsky adamantly observed, "The Bills offense is schematically broken." We've heard other ex-NFL players and coaches imply, or outright say, similar things. That's not an Allen thing. That's not a McD thing. That's a Dorsey thing. Maybe Brady can help fix it. As a fan, I can only hope.

I think this is true. But I do think both contributed. If McD thought that Dorsey was doing everything right and getting the most out of the flawed offensive roster, Dorsey probably would not have been fired. I'm guessing that McD sees it differently. Dorsey was doing something wrong behind the scenes. Maybe bad relationships with players. Maybe not coaching Josh hard enough. Maybe not taking input from Shula and Brady. Maybe not following McD's guidance... I do think the decline of the offense's performance was the main reason. But I think McD saw/heard other things that made him lose faith in Dorsey.

Just because they worked together in Carolina doesn't make Brady a puppet. I've worked for a lot of people and didn't become a puppet to any. I bet the same is true of you.

Maybe Shula is part of the reason Dorsey was fired. Maybe Dorsey wasn't taking input from Shula (or Brady). So maybe McD fired Dorsey for more than what we were all seeing on the field. Maybe Shula, Brady, and others mentioned their frustrations with Dorsey to McD. We don't know.

That's a fair argument. But I'd like to see fewer turnovers and mental mistakes. He has the potential to be as good as Mahomes. Maybe better. But he's currently playing at a lower level.

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I very much agree with the bolded.

Or it means he doesn't hire the right coordinators. Which I suppose is just a different kind of dysfunction. Yeah, it's concerning that we can't get and keep the right coordinators.

This sounds like the theme of "Team of Rivals," and I don't agree. I've been blessed to be part of some very high-performing military and business teams that were characterized by great relationships. There was no complacency. Patton once said something to the effect that if ten people are thinking alike, then only nine are thinking. Disagreement is a necessary part of a leadership team. But the members of the team can still have great relationships. Look at Earnest Shackleton's leadership team. His men described Shackleton like this, "The greatest leader than ever came on God's green earth, bar none..." "I don't think there's any doubt that we all owe our lives to his leadership...." "For all the best points of leadership the palm must be given to Shackleton." There was extraordinarily little "friction/tension" on his leadership team. Shackleton, in fact, did everything he could to minimize the tension and maximize the harmony. His leadership team had great relationships and accomplished amazing things together.

I agree... with a qualifier. I'd say that Allen is a top-tier QB with the right coaching. I think Allen would set records under Andy Reid, for example. But I don't think every NFL HC or OC would know how to optimize Allen's strengths while minimizing his weaknesses.

It's a good question. Maybe what McD saw was Dorsey ignoring input from his assistants, or McD, or both. Maybe McD liked some of the ideas that Brady was floating that Dorsey was squashing. We just don't know.

Both Daboll and Frazier had their detractors. It seemed most fans felt Dorsey would keep the machine rolling while Frazier's departure was largely celebrated. Yet the O and D performed better when those two were the coordinators. Maybe they added more value than we give them credit for.

Agreed. Allen is a unicorn with a unique and impressive skill set. But he also has flaws. We need a QB-whisperer OC who can figure out how to maximize the talents while working around or minimizing the shortcomings. Dorsey hasn't been that guy.

As a fan, it can be hard to assign blame. How much of the offense's woes can we put on Beane? McD? Dorsey? The players? Looking at Dorsey, he didn't create those turnovers. You've got to blame the players. Then again, there might be shortcomings on how Dorsey prepares the team that make turnovers more likely. But if I was McD, I'd probably fire Dorsey, too. You gotta hold somebody accountable and Dorsey is the offensive orchestra conductor. His musicians haven't been playing beautiful music lately. I am concerned, though, that McD doesn't seem to have a great relationship with his coordinators. I'm also not sure why anyone should expect Brady to do better but hopefully he does.

How do you know he's not holding himself accountable? What do you want him to do? Publicly fire himself? Do you quit your job when you make a mistake at work to hold yourself accountable? Every evening, I hold up a mirror to myself and conduct what the army calls an "After Action Review." I ask myself four questions. What did I do right today? What could have I done better? What did I learn? And what will I do differently going forward? I don't discuss this with anyone. This is my personal process to hold myself accountable and grow. Maybe McD does something like this. None of us know how McD holds himself accountable.