NeverOutNick

I love Eric Moulds and Andre Reed but man getting an in his prime TO would be hard to beat. TO at his best is an all time top 5 WR even with the baggage

I don’t think we’re “better”. I think we’re deeper. This is how I see it: Last year This year Diggs Shakir Davis Coleman Shakir Samuel Harty Claypool Sherfield MVS Hollins Hamler Shakir is our #1 for this year and he’s earned that role even if he’s not built like a true #1. Will Coleman be the guy eventually? Maybe. He’s a big target that snatches the ball out of the air but isn’t a great separator just yet. Samuel is not special. He’s been the #2 or 3 option on every team he’s ever been on because he’s not a great route runner or even a deep threat (surprising for a guy who is so fast). He is a fun gadget player who is a way better version of what McKenzie was supposed to be. Claypool has the most upside of any player left and seems like he’s proving it in camp. I hope he finally puts it all together and isn’t just a nice preseason story. MVS is a deep threat who drops a lot of catchable balls. I don’t think he’s a lock to make the team but he’s a big deep threat so he’s safer than most. Hollins is the special teams dude captain that McDermott loves. On most teams he wouldn’t be a lock but he probably is with our safe conservative head coach. Hamler had all world potential. He is just never healthy. If he’s finally healthy I’d leapfrog him into the top 4 discussion because of his skill set to break the top off the d and ability to score a TD any time the ball is in his hands either punt return or catching the ball from Josh. it’s a much deeper WR room than last year which is good because of injuries but it’s not “better”. Diggs, even if last year was a down year, is a true #1 type WR who has mastered route running and outside of last year was always clutch in big moments. Hopefully someone steps up to be that guy this year but I was hoping we traded up for that guy in Odunze in the draft (not bitching because I’m sure it was discussed but too expensive) I am quietly optimistic about this years WR room but I am not expecting anyone to be a true #1 target at WR. If anything I think that guy will be Kincaid

Pay him whatever he wants, whenever he wants. He’s the only reason we’re a Super Bowl contender. Lock him up as a Bill for life

He should have final word. McD doesn’t need to be involved in player evaluation, it’s not his job. He should be like most other coaches in the league and shut up and color during the actual draft since I’m sure months prior he told Beane what “he needs”

If any coach had Allen the drought would’ve been over. He is the best talent QB the league has ever seen. But I agree Chan was at least creative and would’ve been more successful than the current regime imo

I agree. Safety is fine and thank God Hamlin is probably gone. I do think Hyde would come back if needed and that gives me comfort come playoffs. He’s got a few good games left in him and would love for him to win a SB on this squad

If history is any indication it will once again be a pass rusher to be the “big money” free agent. We did it last year with Floyd and a couple years ago with Von. Would be awesome to go trade for a vet like Adams or Hopkins for Josh but I think Beane is happy with his one year rentals competing in camp. I agree on corner. I think we’re fine and Ingram has been being groomed for a couple years and showed well last preseason. We do have the rookie nickel corner to back up Taron so we’re fine there but I won’t complain if they bring back Gilmore on a year deal

True enough. I like the way he catches the ball. I believe he’s a natural hands catcher and it will translate very well. Not as many routine drops that we’ve seen from guys like Gabe Davis. Coleman wasn’t my favorite prospect either. I think he was #13 on my board but if the bills wanted a Tee Higgins type I’m fine with it.

That’s my bad I should’ve wrote this in my last post. I left off 2020 intentionally because that class has no barring on helping Josh now. Diggs and Davis are no longer on the team and rookie contracts are 4 years long (with the 5th year option). Where are all the rookie WRs we’ve drafted to develop with Josh the last 4 years? Shakir is it outside of replace our top 2 WRs with 1 Keon Coleman in this year’s class. And please no one give me special teams specialist Justin Shorter, who isn’t a legit NFL WR and wouldn’t have been drafted in this class. I do like that Beane brought so much competition with 3rd chance options like Claypool, Hamler, MVS, Hollins, etc but I think you do this on the defensive side of the ball where your head coach supposedly thrives at getting the most out of free agent players (Hyde, Poyer, D. Jones). You prioritize WR in the draft for 3 reasons: 1. WRs are crazy expensive once they hit free agency 2. If you draft multiple WRs each year for your franchise QB, you have cheap options that have time develop with your QB, not 1 year dart throws 3. When your best WRs do want to get paid and you don’t want to pay them, you have plenty of options waiting in the wings to step up and fill the holes (GB, Cincy and SF)

I think we’re going to be at an impasse on this. I think Beane has done the bare minimum to help Josh out with weapons while keeping him content. Table scrap signings of MVS and last chance Hail Marys in claypool are not how you build long term continuity for your superstar QB who is your only chance at winning a Super Bowl. I know Mahomes has won it with an offensive mastermind, the best offensive weapon at TE we’ve ever had in Kelce and a defensive genius who won’t ever get another chance to be a HC. So sure let them do their bare minimum at WR but that’s not how normal teams with franchise QBs operate. Cincy drafts WRs every year for Joe. 3 of the best offensive minds in the league in Mcdaniel, Shanahan and Lafleur consistently find new weapons for their QB early and often. Even the in the trenches former Michigan National Champion HC, Jim Harbaugh drafted 3 WRs for his new franchise QB this year. Now let’s look at our last 4 years big key free agent signing and also the first 3 rounds of each draft (because that’s where the starters are right?): 2024 - We lose our top 2 WR and had no one behind Shakir worth a damn on the roster at WR. Buffalo selects Coleman in the second round. The next 2 picks…defense. Safety Cole Bishop when there were plenty of cheap options still available in free agency to include the unsigned Justin Simmons. 3rd round we select a rotational DT after signing multiple DTs early in free agency to go along with our starters from last year, Oliver and Jones. No big money free agent signing this off season because of the cap. So end score defense up 2 and helping Josh 1 2023 - This year I have to admit was more Josh help in the draft. Kincaid and Terrence first 2 picks were slam dunks and the D got another LB in Williams. The big free agent signing was a $9 mil contract for Floyd but even with that I’d still make this a win for the offense (even though I was begging to sign Hopkins over Floyd…could’ve used him vs KC). All of the minor free agent moves for scrub WRs (Harty and Sherfield) didn’t work out and is another reason to throw darts in the draft at the position like GB and Cincy does year in and year out. 2022 - Defense rules the day. Elam and Bernard, first and third with a RB in the 2nd (I hate take RBs early but I’ve conceded that Beane is going to replenish a new RB every year somewhere between round 2 and 4 instead of getting more WRs). Cook has been a nice addition though even if he can’t catch a wide open TD pass to save his life. What was the big free agent addition this offseason? Von Miller 🥳…you’re welcome McD. The signing makes total sense because it’s not like you invested your first 2 picks on pass rushers the year before…Defense killed this offseason 2021 - Round 1 DE Greg Rousseau, Round 2 DE Boogie Basham, Round 3 OT Spencer Brown. Besides resigning Milano there wasn’t a big money free agent I can find from this offseason. But again pretty obvious defense was the flavor of the offseason. The priority is not Josh and it needs to be.

Oh no not NFL coaches that come into your pub! He’s got great hands, just snatches the ball without hesitation. If not the BEST hands, off the top of my head they’re in the top tier with Polk, Odunze and AD Mitchell. Maybe tell your coaching buddies they need to watch a little closer. Coleman is a natural hands catcher and it’s why he doesn’t have to slow down his routes to make a play on the ball.

I agree with you all. Shakir will be our best WR this year. He’s only gotten better every year in the league and he’s a dawg.

You’re on point. He also really tagged Hollins as well. I’m not the biggest Hollins supporter but Beane definitely loves him some Hollins and MVS. Hope it’s a fair and even competition for all 3 remaining spots but definitely sounds like Hollins and MVS have a leg up. I’m a huge Shakir guy and think he’ll be our best WR this year along with Kincaid in the middle so it was nice to hear Beane give him some love. That really was a good interview. And like others said before I’m glad Chop Robinson was gone because McD would’ve been all in Beanes pocket to get him at 28 lol. He did mention Latu though. That’s the only DE I would’ve been on board with taking at 28. He’s a freak. Lastly I really am excited to see how Brady operates his offense with a full offseason under his belt

Again, I never said we had the opportunity for Odunze, Nabers or MHJ. I was simply replying to a hypothetical with my own hypothetical lol. I also don’t fault Beane for not trading up because he can’t do anything about not having a willing partner and he shouldn’t overpay. The ONLY thing I fault Beane for is not going harder at long term investments around Josh. Kincaid and Coleman are a good start but when you have a generational talent you need to do better. What happens if Kincaid goes down? Do we depend on the no hands team again in Knox and newly acquired MVS. Sorry to be so blatant and hard headed but honestly screw the defensive side of the ball. It’s not like we’re getting Chris Jones so come playoff time having a Cole Bishop or a Justin Simmons or a Mike Edwards at safety or having a Calais Campbell or a Dewayne Carter as a rotational DT is going to add up to the same thing we’ve seen year in and year out of a McD led defense. But having receivers better than Sherfield to back up injured starters (who have their own issues with drops) like Davis is a glaring issue in getting us to a Super Bowl championship

I agree with you. I was only responding to the guy who stated we didn’t trade up in the first round for one of the top 3 WR and he’s ok with it because we ended up with Carter and Bishop instead. I know it would’ve taken more than what we had to get up that high. If we are still playing this hypothetical though I would’ve been all about trading 28, 60 and one of next years 2nds for Odunze

That’s exactly my point. Would be incredible if Bears would’ve traded the #9 pick for our first, second and third. Teams have done dumber things. Remember a couple years ago when the Vikings traded all the way down from pick 12 to 32!! Lions got Jameson Williams at pick 12 32, 34 and 66 to the Minnesota Vikings for pick Nos. 12 and 46 Wish we could’ve gotten a steal like that to trade up for Odunze. Stupid Vikings

He never said at pick 28 lol. But yes he did say he was glad he had a slow 40 so that they could get him. He said the same thing about Gabe when he came out when they got him in the 4th. We’ll never know where they had Coleman on their board but 2 things we do know: 1. They knew they could risk dropping down a couple time to get Coleman because other teams wouldn’t have him rated as high 2. There was no WR outside of the top 3 they had conviction on to trade up in the draft for. Coleman had the best hands in this draft class so I’m happy to have him because we had too many dropped passes last year. Coleman should NOT be expected to be a plug and play #1 WR that can run the route tree and win off the line of scrimmage with his explosion. That’s not who he is. He’s got a great head on his shoulders though so who knows maybe he’ll get to that level with some hard work and good coaching. I see him being a Higgins type for us and I’m ok with that. If you would’ve guaranteed me we could’ve had Rome Odunze at pick 9 for 28 and losing out on Bishop and Carter, sign me up all day every day. Odunze will be a top 10 WR in this league for the next decade sooner rather than later

Since the bills are second chance U with WRs this offseason, I’d be all about signing Corey Davis to compete for one of these outside receiver spots too. He’s been a huge bust thus far but I’ve always thought he had traits that would translate well outside. Why not at this point. Not like he’s ever had a QB like Josh throwing him the ball either

Glad I could at least put a smile on your face. You’re welcome. And I agree great movie and boy was Marisa Tomei something special. Honestly she’s still gorgeous

What about a team who takes CBs with the first 2 picks (eagles and lions this year) or a team that takes back to back DEs 😉 WR is one of a few premium positions in the NFL that costs a crazy amount of money after the rookie contract is up so it should be prioritized early and often, especially when you have a once in a lifetime quarterback at helm

I can respect that view. My feeling is we’re tight against the cap most years and we were already a WR need team prior to Diggs and Davis leaving. Why not go bonkers with cheap options in the draft since we can’t pay for premium options in free agency. WRs be pricey lol I just want Josh to succeed. I don’t want to look back and go man we should’ve given him more

I just watched the commencement speech for the first time. Am I missing something or was it a big who cares that the media again wants to blow up into something. It was boring like any other commencement speech and it was at a catholic university, so what did we expect it to be about. What did he say that is pissing everyone off? IMO, which thankfully I’m still allowed to have, he basically said he was grateful that his wife prioritized family and taking care of the home first over a career. Isn't that what we all want in our marriages? We should prioritize the home first so that our kids get some good morals in this jacked up world we’re throwing them out into. Now, he’s not the best public speaker or a wordsmith so things sound jumbled but he seemed genuine. Screw the media for attacking him. Would be nice if opinions were allowed to be had the same across the board in this country. He’s a kicker on an NFL team, not a politician running for office, let the man be. And I hate the chiefs so I'd be the first to attack if it was warranted lol

Give it a year or 2 and we’ll see if they were such head cases or if we missed out on another George Pickens because we didn’t trust our “culture” to get the most out of 2 extremely talented WRs. My point remains, even if the FO hated Mitchell and Franklin, plug in their choice, Burton, Roman Wilson, Tez Walker, etc. Let Josh have long term WR talent that’s actually worth the investment. For as how inept a franchise Cincy used to be, they get it. Year in and year out they get more young WR talent to put around their franchise QB (Higgins, Chase, Burton this year, Jones and Iosivas last year). The only difference is their QB can’t stay healthy but when he is, they make deep runs because Burrow has so many dependable options in big moments. Ideally all 3 would be ready to go week 1 but your statement applies to every position. Is Carter playing every down right away or is he sitting behind the vets, rotating in when his number is called. Even if the rooks weren’t up to speed to be every down WRs by week 1, they wouldn’t need to be. It’s a long term investment in Josh. Brady would call their number as needed until they were up to speed. It’s a good problem to have and you still have your PS filled with the Isabella’s and Claypools of the world just in case.

First off I want to say I respect Beane’s game. He always finds a way to fill holes and gives McD as much depth as possible every year to keep the team competitive. He did a great job putting make up on an ugly pig of a WR group after the draft. BUT what if we went all in on surrounding Josh with as much young cheap talent as possible. What if Beane didn’t play it safe year in and year out with high character dependable players and went with some potential home run hitters. Humor me and lets play this out, let’s reverse time back to this epic 2024 WR draft. AD Mitchell and Troy Franklin may have had some character flaws that dropped them a bit in the draft but their talent is undeniable. In a year where even before we lost Davis and Diggs we needed another young WR, let’s pretend that we did something unconventional and actually took 3 WR in the first 3 rounds! 🤯 Now how would this play out? Pick 33 is still Coleman and we got some draft capital pick 51 or higher (trade a 5th this year and a 3rd next year) AD Mitchell Pick 95 Troy Franklin The rest of the draft stays the same BUT wait we don’t have Bishop at safety or Carter at DT whatever will we do!?! Hmmm maybe this year we let McD get a couple FAs to plug and play. Maybe we don’t go dumpster diving for leftover WRs and instead grab a couple veteran defensive players instead. Why not sign Justin Simmons and Calais Campbell and then next year when it’s a better defensive draft you can address the DT spot Josh now has Coleman, AD Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Khalil Shakir, and Curtis Samuel…oh and McD can have his special teams WR with the last spot too in Hollins, Shavers or Shorter. You know you’d love that WR corps and so would Josh for the next 4+ years Again, Beane did a great job making the best out of a bad situation with his WR room but man what could’ve been if he just leaned into helping his franchise QB out long term instead of short term bandaids.

I love Josh Allen. My favorite bill since Fred Jackson. I know this will be an unpopular pov but man McD and Beane don't deserve Josh. He's got to pimp himself out for WR scraps lol