BADOLBILZ

Stilhiir Elam?

You didn't learn anything about their work ethic from a bunch of interviews after they were first drafted. Obviously. You just "feel" like you did.

I really don't know about 2 years down the road but I expect that they won't immediately be able to put him out wide at X like Beane suggested and have him find success. They are going to have to modify his role. That's what the Chiefs did with Rashee Rice, for instance. I think they will need to used him in the slot or in a lot of condensed formations to create space for him and then also put him in motion a lot. Which is the kind of scheming you use for your lower pedigree and/or physically limited players........not first rounders or 33rd overall picks. That will get old fast if he doesn't develop. I liked the physical comp of Davante Adams to Coleman..........both big, physical guys with excellent body control, hands and leaping ability. But whether Coleman has the drive, determination and intelligence to refine his game like that is another story. Few want to work that hard and appearing gregarious at first blush doesn't tell me anything about whether he has that. And, fwiw, it took Davante Adams until year 3 to become a starter and year 4 to hit 1,000 yards for the first time. Despite having the best QB in his conference all that time. Not sure how well it will go over if it takes until his walk year for him to become a stud.

It really doesn't tell you anything. That's the point. Actions speak louder than words. Coleman's actions show a player who doesn't separate at the college level and has shown little nuance/refinement to his game. Which is why his numbers are so modest at the NCAA level. He's really raw and it's not like he has 4.3 speed to fall back on if he doesn't refine his game or the Bills don't make it an emphasis to FIND ways to get him open at the expense of giving those opportunities to other, less talented players who also need that to succeed. Again, case-in-point Kaiir Elam. He came off as a highly studious, focused, hard working kid with a great attitude. And his physical traits and pedigree were less in question than Coleman's are. Hasn't worked out so far. Hopefully it will this season......but coming off like a "great kid" at introduction means nothing. Stephon Gilmore came off quite differently to Bills fans and has had a pretty brilliant career.

Yeah, which is part of the reason your analogy doesn't work. Less than half of 1st rounders even get their option picked up and the amount that become good starters for any significant amount of time is in the 30 percents. The further you get into the draft WHO you pick is even more important because the success rate drops steadily.

Yeah a lot of people wanted to trade into the top 10 for one of those. The choice the Bills had was neither of those. In that range you are talking about probably a 30% hit rate(becoming a good starting WR) so you'd hope they'd have some conviction on one or the other.

The question I have is why were the Bills good with "either" of Legette or Coleman(as has often been said)? I understand the tiers concept but you'd figure they'd have more of a conviction on one than the other.

Yeah, impressive production in limited exposure then followed by much less efficiency when given an elevated role is all too common. In 1986 Chris Burkett had unreal production in limited exposure. He qualified for and lead the entire NFL in yards per catch with 23.........which is an insane number and put up more yards than Shakir did last year in the process. Burkett was considered a pretty safe bet to be a stud WR for the foreseeable future......but defense's paid him more attention in 1987 and that all changed. We also remember the crazy partial season Robert Foster put up in 2018. People who think that a player who has a good passer rating when targeted over a limited period is likely to repeat that in a much expanded role are pretty oblivious, IMO.

So where do you get your premium position difference makers if you don't draft them early? They don't hit free agency. They get their option picked up and/or they then get franchise tagged. If Josh Allen wanted to leave Buffalo he would have had to wait 7 years(option + 2 tags) or getting in a career-disrupting p!ssing match with the team most likely. So extending him after year 3 was pretty easy. Applies to stud pass rushers, LT's and WR's all the same. Excellent guards and safeties do hit free agency every year though. In fact, even an All Pro guards and centers sometimes hit free agency. But always lot's of good one's do. And 29 starting safeties were free agents this year. I think you've been paralyzed by over-analysis.

Nice 5-2 win to give Yanks a 3 game sweep of a decent Tigers team. Seems like Judge may be warming up finally. Despite not having Gerrit Cole in the rotation the Yanks lead MLB with 23 games pitched where they've held opponents to 3 runs or less. Yankees are also second in MLB in games of scoring 5 runs or more despite very disappointing starts for most of the hitters in lineup. And being shut out a shocking 5 times already. And being on pace for an MLB record amount of hit into double plays and being just woeful on the bases so far. In general, I've found the quality of offense in MLB to continue to be very disappointing this season. The league seems to be being dominated by a bunch of no-name relievers and I don't see how that's a good thing. It's past time to get an automated strike zone. We've seen that the automated zone has forced pitchers to throw strikes when used in MiLB and significantly raised ERA's.

Da' Make-Believes........pretenders again.

Eric Moulds. He didn't start out as well as Claypool did........but he spent his first couple seasons slapping women around, dodging child support claims and just being a general unfocused idiot until he decided to put his foot in the ground and make himself into something as a professional.

Actually the point is that a prospect being likable and saying the right things at their introduction tells you nothing about how he will perform.

Yeah..........people always figure that the "last chance" stuff must be a motivator. But really? Nah. I think more often than not a player who strings together a lot of thoroughly disinterested play like Claypool has is just trying to squeeze out one more million dollar pay day......exert himself as little as possible while doing it........while also accruing yet another year in the pension benefit calculation.

What's seems clear is that you got into that peanut butter whiskey early today for some reason. Did your tee time get cancelled? Calling a 1500 yard receiver in St Brown "just a slot receiver"? Comparing a WR group you headline with 2023 658 yard college receiver Keon Coleman to groups that had studs like Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Sanders? You specialize in takes that don't age well but you cut right to the chase today. DOA. I put the emoji's in especially for you because I know you love em'.

Not only an anomaly..........the Chiefs lack of multiple stud WR was not a strategy but an unfortunate result of missing on some picks. In 2022 they expended two day 2 picks on Sky Moore and Hilarious Toney to go along with signing Juju Smith Schuster(a one time 1400 yard producer). Moore and Toney famously made big plays in the Super Bowl but have otherwise been busts in KC. They followed that up with Rashee Rice........who panned out and effectively replaced Juju Smith Schuster as their WR1. But also of note...........the Chiefs DID have two top 32 receiving yardage players(in a 32 team league) in both 2022 and 2023. Because Kelce is a stud and Juju and Rice finished 24th and 32nd, respectively(with Rice trending up at the end). To put that into perspective........only 5 other teams had 2 top 32 producing receivers in 2022 and 5 again in 2023. So they weren't exactly the little sisters of the poor in terms of matching up in the pass game the way that some like to paint it.

Carter was an alcoholic. Quitting the booze was the key to turning his career around, not trying harder. I haven't heard anything like that about Claypool. I think apathy is his issue.

The NFL is a matchup league. A well designed offense helps but if you don't have matchup winners NFL DC's will figure out very quickly how to force you to play to your weaknesses.

The Bills haven't started a season with a wide receiving corps without one player who had produced at least a 900 yard season once in their career since the 1980's. And that didn't end well despite having a 27 year old Jim Kelly at QB..........and was also an era when the run game was more important than the pass game. You could envision getting by with less at WR then than you can now. But the Bills are back there. Nobody that's proven that they are more than a complementary piece in an NFL WR corps. Additionally, the bar has been raised. There has been a huge influx of WR talent in the drafts over the past 5-6. The Bills don't match up well to other contending WR corps.

IMO..........the last great, violent NFL game. https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/340119026/49ers-seahawks The rules had drastically changed 4 years earlier and the old-school games became gradually fewer and far between until this one closed the era. This game brought great satisfaction to watch.

Oh I'm in for $36. We gonna' have to get a TBD NIL collective together to help Beane. Where's that Seminole guy that posts all the draft stuff? I think he's part of the collective at Food Stamp U that got Keon to go there maybe he can give us some tips. I nominate @HOUSE as treasurer.

Oh Sh!t! @Kirby Jackson going Leonard Smith on these plan B free agents.

Josh Gordon is still available! Let's f'ing go Beane! https://www.si.com/fannation/ufl/news/seattle-sea-dragons-nfl-josh-gordon-not-join-ufl-rumors

Anyone know if Dawuane is any relation to Capn' Fred Smoot of the Minnesota Vikings sex boat? She was a fine vessel.

Yeah I got your point but the context is that Allen has actually already been down this particular road before. The only thing we can say is "well, he was a rookie then". But still, it's not new territory for this regime. They've just come full circle back to 2017 with this corps. It's definitely a bottom 10 group on paper and that might be being generous. The concept that the Chiefs have shown and proved that you don't need quality is flawed by the fact that they've been trying hard to not let their WR corps diminish. They've picked a WR in the 1st or 2nd round each of the past 3 drafts and traded day 2 capital for Toney as well. They've been trying hard to be better. It wasn't their strategy.