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I generally agree but I don't know if he's fake or if he's just more "educated" than smart. We saw that with Yale grad Dick Jauron. Ultimately the difference between Jauron Ball and Marty Ball or Cowher Ball was that Marty and Cowher respected the critical importance of having better talent than your opponent even if you are trying to play conservative football.

I REPEAT: In 2018 the Bills were the 6th most penalized(116) for the 5th most yardage(992). That's bad and they were undisciplined. As for the "ridiculous McD/Lynn argument"............Lynn took over a less successful team that has played without a homefield advantage for two years but has won A LOT more games than McD and blown him out twice head-to-head. The job Lynn has done is among the very best in the NFL over the past two seasons. Lynn chose to build on what he had and show his ability to coach up his franchise right away and McD chose to hand pick his own team and it hasn't worked out so far. Hopefully that changes but it's no contest thru 2 years and that's not a short period of time in terms of being an NFL HC. Year 3 is usually a make or break for HC's that haven't fielded a contender yet.

"So what" that playoff penalties were included in that stat chart? Is that really what you are going with? We already covered your "first of all" mistake. Then there is the FACT that only 3 of the 9 most penalized teams in the regular season made the playoffs............not 6 of 9. You seemed to think you hit a HR with that stat........using it as your closing argument. Are you grasping that playing an extra 2-3 games can lead to committing more penalties yet? Capeesh or no? I mean when you make such a basic mistake like that OWN it and do better rather than blame me for your inability to read a stat chart.

Well never let it be known that I won't help a drunk like you back onto his feet. The chart you were looking at where you triumphantly determined that the Bills were *just* the 8th most penalized team for the 10th most yardage and then went on to blah blah blah based off of other stats on that chart wasn't a regular season chart. That strange chart INCLUDED playoff games..........so yeah some teams with like 18 games played committed more penalties than the Bills did in 16. I REPEAT: In 2018 the Bills were the 6th most penalized(116) for the 5th most yardage(992). I don't know dude.........you are making this whole "see, I can talk football" push while at the same time not being able to read basic stat charts. And I mean BASIC. Maybe stick to attacking Scott Law? Just a thought. No.........that's you reading NFL statistics eebs.

Lynn took over a team that won a total of 9 games over the prior 2 years and has won 22 games(two of those at the expense of McDermott). McDermott took over a team that won a total of 15 games over the prior 2 years and has won...........wait for it..........15 games. Lynn's Chargers were beaten badly by the Patriots in the playoffs..........after winning a road playoff game..........which is something the Bills haven't done since 1992. Lynn has earned the respect to say the least and 7 more wins over two years is A LOT.

For Beane it's too little to care about. He's been a little careless with the nickels and dimes.........which is something he's going to have to pay more attention to down the line if he gets that far.

Apparently you are the one not counting. I REPEAT: In 2018 the Bills were the 6th most penalized(116) for the 5th most yardage(992). It's not uncommon for highly penalized teams to make the playoffs.............as I said, hyper-aggressive teams or those who play on the edge of the rules often collect a lot of penalties of aggression while winning. The Bills under McDermott haven't been that............they try to play a disciplined game..........as evidenced by the lack of penalties of aggression..........but they haven't been able to do it..........as evidenced by the high volume of "dumb" penalties. There is your context eball.

6th most penalized team for 5th most yards in 2018. That kind of flaggage is tolerable for a super-aggressive team that imposes it's will on opponents.......KC lead the NFL in penalties.........but it doesn't jive with the style of football they play on both sides of the ball. Or the whole "process" mentality. That's the thing with McD so far..........the gameday McD pales in comparison to the other 349 days McD.

I agree 100% with your listings. Going into camp it's pretty straight forward where they all stand right now, IMO. But of course injuries, acquisitions(and possibly departures) and a few guys playing up or down from their rank will change the final roster slightly. The biggest decisions will be on the OL. Cutting guys like Teller or Boettger in favor of older players might be a good short term play that looks bad in a couple years but those are good problems to have.

You still a Sean McDermott > Anthony Lynn guy?

That's it......embrace the liquor.........don't fight it........let it speak.......neither of you can discuss football but at least it's got a better sense of humor.

IMO that's a fair list but it's also giving McD the FULL benefit of the doubt ranking him there. Once you get past Arians the rest are all guys who haven't really proven themselves to be difference makers yet or recently. For example I am sure a Titans fan would put Vrabel where you have McD and cite a brutal divisional schedule etc.. Anthony Lynn above McDermott won't get you many likes from the unobjective crowd though.

EXACTLY. It's the worst kind of negativity. Directed at the fanbase.........who has nothing to do with the losing. eebs is trying to pick up the torch for Promo who used to have 20 of these posts per day all offseason until constantly looking clueless dampened his spirit down to just the occasional fan blame post.

Why would I assume that? What it "seems" like is that the organization is very much behind whatever Beane and McDermott do.........whether that's because they like the moves or just "understand" why the moves were made. So the answers will all be pretty much the same regardless of the source with this regime. Which is not unexpected when everyone south of owners box was either hired by them or evaluated and allowed to stay by them. That's why you clean house.......it buys loyalty and time to get systems in place. What it doesn't do is make Beane or McDermott stack up better against their counterparts around the league in terms of talent evaluation/cap management and strategy/gameday coaching etc...........another .000 batting average in UFA like last offseason and another stack of blowout losses and/or 2 more losses to Belichick etc.. will take a mighty bite out of that cushion created by the house cleaning regardless of the quality of lip service provided.

3. So there was no threat of the Bills releasing Richie Incognito if he refused a pay cut? Really? My point was why did he have to take a pay cut to be retained? He was good.....the other options clearly were not. But you are saying they asked his agent if he'd LIKE a pay cut and he was like "sure, why not"? That sounds implausible. 5. I didn't ask you why they signed Star. The point is that Beane has told you they couldn't "afford" moves that they didn't make while clearly and vastly overpaying for a guy like Star Lotulelei. You take the very subjective "afford" and present it as a solid excuse, which it's CLEARLY not. Beane is very good at manipulating the media to accept the same excuse that wouldn't fly for previous GM's. I credit him for bringing basic corporate competence to the table though. I know you guys aren't used to seeing that from Bills GM's. 6. A LOT can happen over the course of 6 months or a football season. We've seen Eric Moulds go from being considered a very realistic possibility to be cut entering camp in 1998 to having the best season a WR has had in Bills history. We saw a massive attitude change from the LeSean McCoy of 2015 to the guy who came to mini-camp in 2016 with a new mindset. Knowing these things happen..........saying the Bills "would've lost Watkins for nothing in free agency" is incredibly speculative. Has it occurred to you that the same guy that tells you he can't afford things that simple calculations should tell you that he can is also telling you what he wants you to hear regarding situations like the Watkins trade? And again, with KB, they acquired a guy who they were only going to get 23-24 games out of before HE became a free agent but that was........what.......a "smart" or "efficient" move?

Watkins was arguably the greatest freshman WR in NCAA history. When the U made the terrible Al Golden hire they inadvertently boosted Clemson to another level by hand delivering them south Florida recruits like Watkins for the next number of years. Same with Louisville and West Virginia programs.

By nature inside players are both aided on routine plays and limited on big plays by the congestion of players around them. As a result the edge players usually have the chances to make game altering plays and that's why they get the big bucks to win matchups. So yeah a MLB is critical in McD's defense but it's not necessarily that hard to find good ones so the position is of lesser import on the salary cap level. Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles in McD's defense. Julian Stanford looked very good in place of Edmunds last season. The action is funneled to the MLB and a dynamic one like Keuchly can really stand out there but they still don't have the cap value of a premier edge rusher. CJ Moseley got PAID this offseason but I don't expect that to change things on the whole for MLB's in FA. I'd certainly trade a 3rd and a 5th for Luke Keuchly's $10M cap hit and move Edmunds to an edge though. If things deteriorate in Carolina this season.....and they may with Cam's shoulder issues.......and the Bills are in contention but Edmunds doesn't take huge steps I could see this being a huge mid-season trade possibility. Hughes isn't one of the greats in the league but he's very effective and playing for half of what Frank Clark is getting in each of those seasons. I think the risk was balking on signing Hughes early and maybe ending up paying $19M per over 5 years for this years version of Trey Flowers in UFA which is definitely poor value relative to Hughes, IMO.

Yeah I know what you are saying.........if they guaranteed all of that AFTER this year's salary it's nearly a 3 year fully guaranteed deal because they aren't cutting him this summer. I am guessing that's what it is though. IMO this late in the game there isn't much incentive for an-in demand player to take 2019 guarantees to get a short extension like that. That would be like accepting a 1.5 year extension because the team could save cap space cutting him after the 2020 season. But hopefully some of it is......that would be nice. I think the trade-off is he and his agent's belief that they would certainly get a 3 year deal in FA if a guy like Wake did. Hughes' deal ends when Tre White's 5th year option ends. That also might have been important to Beane right now.

It's definitely a risk but your top pass rusher is second only to your QB in value, IMO. If you are going to exceed a comfortable risk level it's there. Was it necessary to do now? I mean, if they think that the addition of Oliver is going to push more QB's into Hughes' grasp then it makes sense. I think the fact that 37 year old Cameron Wake got 3 years $23M and $10M guaranteed after a 6 sack season says a good deal about the hunger for pass rushers around the league.

Yeah that's a pretty bold take for a guy who made one TFL and zero QB hits last year. He looked like he was running in quicksand all season....... the opposite of dynamic. His best ability is durability at this point. Hopefully he at least bounces back to his 2017 Carolina level but not counting on it.

2. Absolutely wrong. Glenn started game 6, 7 and 8 after the bye. He was out entirely from week 9 on. But at least you are getting an idea of how to present some kind of arguable point. It's just wrong in this case. Incognito had an exchange with Ngakoue in the playoff game but otherwise there were no obvious signs that he was about to go off his rocker and if there were they wouldn't have been asking for a pay cut they'd have CUT HIM before guaranteeing him more money.

1. This is where you show some data to illustrate that. You can't so you don't. 2. Glenn was a factor when in the lineup in 2017. The opener versus the Jets stood out because Glenn had a strong game and the running game was efficient. They were otherwise inconsistent early in the season with Glenn in and out of the lineup but appeared to be rounding into form offensively with Glenn back versus TB and Oakland but after he was injured in the Jets game the offense REALLY struggled to move the ball the rest of the season. His absence mattered. As for Incognito he was every bit as good as Wood or better and they wanted him for less than half of Wood's contract. Messing with his money made no sense then or in retrospect. When the OG market blew up Incognito lost his sh*t. If paying players was actually about "frame of mind" like it's sold with the Wood extension then messing with RI was bad biz. Personally I felt the LG position was worse than C and it took it's toll on Dawkins who is now a reclamation project after they thought he was a sure-fire franchise LT. 3. What Wawrow has to do with it is that he says Beane wouldn't spend to replace Wood. The Wood contract is why we had to wait a year for a more concerted effort to improve the position. Beane was operating under a cash-to-cap methodology and with $11M+ tied up in the center position he wasn't willing to spend to protect Josh Allen in 2018. That's what it came down to. So it's not a matter of being a hard position to fill.....it's not....that's why very good ones like Morse often make it to UFA. 4. Clearly there were more issues than Bodine filling in for Wood. The guard positions struggled and Dawkins gave up a lot of pass pressure and sacks.

I don't know what kind of memory loss you have but it wasn't a good line in 2017 under Dennison/Castillo with Glenn injured and John Miller falling off a cliff. The Dennison system wasn't as complimentary to the existing OL talent as that of A Lynn/Roman and the performance wasn't anywhere near as good. But it certainly fell to a worse level in 2018 without Wood, Incognito and Glenn.........not just Wood. Incognito was asked to take a pay cut when he was at least the equal of Wood or better and Glenn was dealt. Choices were made. Wawrow says Beane told him they "could not afford" to address the center position more aggressively because of being saddled by the Wood contract. Hence the Bodine signing........who actually wasn't the worst of the Bills starting OL.........I believe PFF had him as the 20 best starting center........which is mediocre, not bad.

More famous for his baby mama dumping a pot of hot water on him when he was sleeping though.

I guess the most important ability is actually sign-ability.