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Phillips did line up at NT some at Stanford but the function of a NT is usually to draw a double and if not to push the center back into the QB. Phillips was always working to get off blocks. He was really quite dominant at Stanford. His last season he had almost 100 tackles. A guy who can anchor and also make those plays fills the bill. And a third round pick on that type of player is definitely a sign that you see that guy as a very good starter down the line, IMO. Playmaking NT's like Damon Harrison are rare........I never saw Phillips as capable of being an NFL NT. The 1 tech is literally positioned to be a 1 gap player. He doesn't have run responsibility on both sides(2 gap) like a single blocked NT would so when he is single blocked he needs to fill that gap and get in the backfield. Dareus was great at the job.....All Pro under Schwartz and was doing excellent work for McDermott. If you singled him he would blow thru the center/guard gap and blow up the play......if you doubled him he could anchor and still actually get off a block and impact the run game. Cover 1 also had some good stuff on Dareus as a 1 tech for McD early in the 2017 season. As for KW.........he was horrendous as a NT. Edwards might have tilted him to 1 or 2 tech at times but he just wasn't physically capable of absorbing doubles and he would get pushed one way or another and once out of position he would then just revert to shooting gaps rather than do nothing. Sometimes he would make a tackle but most of the time he left huge gaping holes. That whole transition to the 3-4 was ridiculous after years of Jauron drafting to stock a Tampa-2 system. They didn't have a body who could play NT or even 1 tech well.

Getting the QB as soon as possible should have been common sense. Watching them march Edwards back out there and hearing the excuse that they were going to use "that season" to evaluate the roster was disheartening. That roster had been evaluated for 3 years prior. All they needed to do was watch the tape. But there are always fans who want to draft a RB in round 1 or nod in agreement when a Marv Levy says that he plans to draft for need.

I've given Beane plenty of props but the fact remains that he had a VERY poor start in pro personnel. The money they wasted then is costing them now. They have their QB on a rookie contract and yet they are in a much tighter cap spot than they should be. This has prevented them from making big moves this offseason. They are going to have to bridge the gap with KC and try to stay ahead of the rest of the pack with what they have and the modest additions they've made. It can be done. New England did it that way for most of Brady's last dozen years with the team.

Real estate in your head is going cheap. Your argument is literally that I am wrong about Edmunds lack of big plays because I UNDERSTATED them? Cool. I hope Edmunds wins NFL DPOY...........but he will have to make a much greater impact than he has so far. It could happen...........Roquan Smith made a HUGE improvement at MLB last year.............but it's less than likely, for sure.

Yeah Nix came out the box firing blanks..........unfortunately, so did Beane. The differences.........Beane had a capable HC in place........he had a better talent base(as I said at the time they took a 10-6 team to camp in 2017)..........and most important of all he went out and got a QB right away. Nix made the excuse that he wanted to build the roster up before taking his swing at a franchise QB........now granted, he and Whaley left better talent behind than Jauron/Brandon had for Nix but you don't put off getting your QB.

The Kelvin Benjamin trade and then keeping him for $8M hit in 2018, the pre-mature Eric Wood extension that cost them $10M in cap room, giving McCoy $2M bonus for no reason, the entire 2018 free agent class(Star, Vontae, Kroft, Murphy etc..). Can't forget $3.5M and a draft pick try out Corey Coleman for a week. They burned so much cap room that first 18 months that they are still paying for it today. A lot was made about Beane creating the greatest amount of dead money in NFL history and how it wasn't his fault..........but the moves at the beginning of his tenure burned even more money than that. On junk players. Whether he even got good mileage out of the Watkins and Darby trades is even debatable. Watkins pick was used to trade UP a few spots to get Edmunds. The Darby pick has netted Harrison Phillips.......who hasn't really panned out yet. And the Dareus trade caused the run defense to fall off a cliff and helped flip the Jags from worst run defense to near the top and they beat the Bills in the playoffs and reached the AFCCG. The panic from the defensive collapse soon after the Dareus trade is why they still owe Star Lotulelei $10M+. As I said........Beane has gotten better. I think he's still had some glaringly sloppy errors with the finances that have kept them out of making major improvements this offseason. Keeping Murphy last season cost them a bunch of cap room this season. The Star "pay cut" and keep has blown up in their face. Keeping Addison AND Butler this time around both seemed incredibly generous of him.

I don't think the Pats would have been able to use him well. The Titans were the best fit for him. Also a very easy transition because that offense is not complex.......a lot of play action and deep shot opportunities. A lot can can happen, but on paper, this elevates them considerably for this season. Either way, the Bills just gotta' be the best version of themselves. The AFC was going to be tough one way or another.

Agree about Edmunds........he has played far below his talent level at MLB. But Oliver has been mostly used as a 3 tech. He's played *some* 1 tech but not much. One of the common misconceptions on this board is that the Bills always line up with a DT in the 1 tech position. They will go to double 3 techs on obvious passing downs as well and if they play all season with the killer instinct on offense that they displayed AFTER the Arizona game they may find themselves in position to use pass rushers at both DT's more often.

I was only talking about what pertains to the NFL DPOY. Simple as that. I was aware of his lack of impact in the playoffs as well............it's not the first time I've cited his lack of big plays..........they are just not relevant to the DPOY discussion. You were ignorant of the fact that only regular season stats count toward a regular season award like NFL DPOY. That's common knowledge........ignorance is not a defense. College and HS stats don't count toward it either, btw.😘

Tannehill is a very good deep ball thrower though.

He wasn't cut out to be a GM. But neither was Buddy Nix. Nix was a road scout without the executive chops to do the job but Ralph knew him and he would take the job. I don't think it's surprising that Nix hired another road scout to be his successor. Beane is not a scout. He was head coffee-fetcher for many years under Gettlenutz before they let him dip his toes into the personnel end in 2015-2016. But being in the Smithers role as DoFO he learned how to run the entire organization. It was important for the Bills to not have the GM duties essentially split between Whaley and Russ Brandon.......that dynamic was causing a lot of dysfunction. The HC and the President were both stepping on the GM's toes and Whaley let them and now he thinks he can point the finger. Doesn't work that way. But Beane's pro personnel moves were awful in his first 18 months. Once he got the personnel men around him he needed the results have been a lot better. But the reason he is viewed as a success with personnel is because of A) Josh Allen and B) Sean McDermott. Whaley's tenure was chaotic but the personnel work they did wasn't the issue. They had plenty of talent. What they didn't have was the QB and the structure that McDermott has built to bring out results from the talent that they have.

Meh.........Whaley had Beane-like support on TSW for most of his tenure.

I believe you are correct. Good scout.........excellent eye for football talent.........but that was literally all he brought to the table as a GM...........and it's a position that requires A LOT more. People reflect on his trade up for Sammy Watkins like that was his MO..........that was about the only time he showed any courage/conviction.........spineless is a good description of his tenure. He didn't understand the first rule of management. Regardless of whether you made the call, it's your fault if you have the GM title. Clearly he thought that standing for the outgoing GM selecting HIS QB and the marketing guy and neophyte owners hiring his first two HC's wasn't going to be held against him. Maybe he didn't want to walk away from the money but he should have resigned SEVERAL times before he got fired.

The thread is literally, and quite specifically, about Edmunds being the NFLDPOY in 2021..........an award for regular season achievement. But as I said.....you can add his playoff stats and it still doesn't make him look like anymore of a playmaker at MLB. Since the beginning of 2019....COUNTING THE PLAYOFFS(35 games)..... he has just 1 interception, 1 fumble recovery and 0 forced fumbles. COUNTING THE PLAYOFFS it's been 46 games since the LB with perhaps the biggest reach in the league has forced a fumble. Last season.......COUNTING THE PLAYOFFS(18 games).........he had 89 blitz attempts with just 1 quarterback hurry! He does not make plays. All the rest of the noise you are making does not matter..........you aren't going to win NFL DPOY if you don't make big plays.

Yeah @Royale with Cheesebeen feisty this week.........it's been amusing..........maybe CSCU caught up with him at the job and further garnished his salad? We'll know soon enough.......he can't resist the need to overshare to thousands of lurkers on the off chance that he can get a laugh out of you.😍

You mean "facts" like the NFL DPOY is only based on regular season production? Your ignorance of this "fact" is not a defense. Edmunds playoff production doesn't move the needle either...........it mostly just adds 4 more games to his very modest resume as a playmaker........4 more games to his running streaks of contests with no forced fumbles or interceptions........and adds just one sack and one TFL to his unimpressive raw numbers. You win postseason honors for game changing plays over the course of a season........plays that turn the ball over or cost the opponent both a down PLUS yardage. That's why DL and pass rushing LB's who get sacks and back 7 players who get interceptions and/or FF and RF win the award. But if you think Edmunds is an All Pro caliber MLB calling it "wildly" unlikely that he wins DPOY is a hell of a way of showing it.

Disagree with what? He took a pic of information collected by an actual NFL team that proves he's fast on the field in June of 2021. That is of value for a guy like that AND his agent for whom getting a foot in the door is not easy. The first clue that he knew the team probably wouldn't want him to share it can be found in the hastily-shot-from-the-body 1960's Batman villain-esque camera angle. Easier to accomplish what you want and ask for forgiveness later for a tiny infraction than ask for permission to do something you want that you know you probably won't get.

They kept 4 TE's in 2020........and statistically their run game was better using 12 personnel and their pass game wasn't diminished by using 2 TE's(there was a lot of statistical data posted about it early in the prior Ertz thread). Being able to threaten the seam is a valuable aspect of their passing game that the Bills have been notably deficient in.........without it the safeties are able to pay more attention to the sidelines, which makes it harder for a team with modest deep speed on the outsides to complete field stretching passes. It would be great if an Ertz acquisition was in unison with a deep threat WR.........but I do think a quality, reliable, veteran, athletic TE option like Ertz would give the boundary receivers a bit more breathing room on deeper routes over the course of a season.

Yeah and I'm sure he knew that the team would correct him for sharing that but it was a good opportunity to put some positive "team collected" information out to prospective employers. He's an ultra-longshot. That next employer could be a spring league.

Well, of course. But the 10 and 20 yard splits give a pretty good idea of how quickly someone can accelerate. In general you are always going to get close to the same readings from those "dashes"..........whereas in the field of play in an actual game you have so many variables.

Top speed is such a very different measure than 40 yard times. If Diggs could run 20.7 mph for 40 straight yards that dash would take 3.87 seconds.

The thing is, Pro Bowl level isn't very descriptive.........that could mean you are the best MLB in the league or the 18th best. That distinction matters. The NFC has A LOT of good MLB'ers that are clearly better than Edmunds...........the AFC has very few. When you start talking about being All Pro........then it's a lot less subjective.

The only real downside is the new NHL rule that a team can't pick #1 overall more than twice in a 5 year period. So even if they finish dead last again the next 4 seasons they can only qualify for #1 overall one more time.

That is the popular imaginary version of what happened, yes. In reality, production-wise not much changed at the 1 tech position. Doubles were still drawn. Doubles didn't turn into combo blocks at a higher rate. Milano and Edmunds were significantly injured for most of the season. Alexander, Phillips and Lawson were also not back from the 2019 team..........and all played more snaps and had greater impacts in 2019 than Star. And the Bills went from a very easy 2019 schedule to playing the most playoff teams of anyone last season.