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I think most of the Bills defensive success under McD has been heavily based on easy schedules and bad quarterbacks. Right now they probably have the most talent they've had on defense at any time under McD........and several key players poised for breakout seasons(we hope)....... so maybe they finally live up to the "top 5 defense" hype.

Pre-game? I'd say "OK Boomer" but even my parents generation had indulged long before they got to the floor at Caesar's. Vegas is game on all day.............if it's in a cup you can be drinking all day and you don't need a car to get anywhere. That said.........it also sounds obvious that they were doing bachelor/bachelorette parties.........which are generally planned well ahead by the bride and groom.

One's character is defined as their "mental and moral" qualities.........not just "moral" qualities. Haskins is a bad decision maker. The person who has gotten the most into this thread is a guy who reads an article on a subject and then thinks he's an expert.........his idea of going out and having a good time is probably taking his dog for a walk. As someone who has had a number of all-nighters in Vegas.........there are just so many "seeming" bad decisions by Haskins that it's hard to think that he didn't make a bunch of them. 1) Don't leave your wife or GF behind if they are expecting you to wait for them. This show a lack of emotional intelligence. It may take an extra hour for them to get ready......they may just want to look their best or maybe they are drinking and having fun and lose track of time. But don't leave without them. Right or wrong, that's a trigger. 2) If you are taking them to "a show" where they are watching pro dancers jump around in their underwear.........and you are going to a club with young women getting drunk and making bad decisions....mostly without underwear on..........you need to understand that dynamic. The women do. Escort them to their show........they don't want to show up looking like a bunch of desperate free agents too a male revue. And by ditching them you are looking WAY too over-anxious to be getting to that other place. 3) Have a plan for if your wife/gf or the friends you hang out with gets out of control drunk. Have a plan in general when you are putting yourself in harms way for the pursuit of fun. This was not Duh-wayne's first night out and he knows his career is hanging by a string, if not a thread. No excuse for that guy to not know what can happen. Big drop in salary going from NFL QB to working in the range of a rental car company or handing out advil samples for GSK like some of the Ohio State football players I've known. This is all BEFORE the alleged fighting with a friend and injuring of his wife and the subsequent scuffle between them and getting his bite re-arranged. If your wife pushes you.......don't push her back and escalate the situation. His wife is a big girl at 5'8" but she is still dwarfed by him. It definitely seems like he made a number of poor decisions before ultimately feeling he had to call security..........and he is exceptionally stupid if the didn't think telling them that his wife assaulted him wasn't going to result in the police coming.

And in fairness........the collateral one in this exercise openly complained on TSW that Haskins was better than Allen.......when Haskins was still in college. No big deal, some people still don't like Josh Allen. To each their own. The OP was tryna' draw some relevance to the Bills within the topic. Some wanted to ditch Josh and get them a Haskins. Bullet dodged! Really strange how the ace linker managed to TOTALLY miss THIS story about his one time favorite superstar college QB though.🤔 Reading some related takes and who was on board.......perhaps he missed an opportunity to spawn a "Haskins Heroes" task force on DV and perhaps become a key component of a "Her Too!" movement. Anywhoo........gotta' love all the people of varying authority making dv jokes and then tryna pile on our humble narrator. SMH, as they say. That OP made some great points........what's the problem? Not as much Josh Allen love on this board as their should be.........he's been good, no?

Yeah Nashville is a good market but Houston is the 4th largest city in the country........and by a lot......over half a million more people than the next closest (Phoenix). For a market like Houston building a SB worthy stadium like Reliant was a given...........not sure if that will ever be the case in Nashville. Last I heard they just wanted to renovate Nissan. That probably won't be enough to get a SB there.

At the Bills lowest, least relevant or interesting point of the 2000's.......about 10-12 years ago.....about 15% of the season tickets were held by Canadians. Even then the Canadian base seemed to be growing...........though perhaps fueled mostly by the ability to have huge outdoor public tailgate parties. Ontario is much more restrictive in that regard. At the typical game in recent seasons there is a larger Canadian presence........I'd assume between 20%-30% of the crowd are from Ontario. Relatively easy to tell how many Canadians are around you because WNY and Ontario dialects are VERY different even if the people live as little as 10 miles apart from each other. There are about 15 million people in Ontario so it's got the potential be much larger still for the Bills if they can become important and develop a generation of new fans. The drought Bills survived and thrived because the SB-era Bills built a young, durable fanbase that became ST holders in the early 2000's...........another sustained run could really develop the market even more.

This dude doesn't understand how to keep himself out of sitches that make him look like he's not worth a team's effort. Wasn't that long ago that @YoloinOhio was lamenting that the Bills ended up with "Just-Josh" Allen when Haskins was going to be available in the next draft. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/15/reports-dwayne-haskins-injured-in-domestic-violence-incident-by-wife/

10 am?? That's only like 3 hours to pre-game tailgate.

Wrong........the stadiums I listed were all primarily baseball stadiums and not easily renovated for football purposes. Some of them......like Municipal and Memorial......were also totally decrepit and rat infested and the way they were built there wasn't a renovation alternative. I'm told the Murph in San Diego was also terrible when the Chargers moved but at least that wasn't a "rock pile" type early-mid 20th century baseball only structure. Rich stadium was built for football. It was designed with great sight lines for football and they were able to add premium seating that didn't leave the fan a mile from the action. The next stadium needs a more open format so you can actually still see the field when you go to get something to eat etc...........but a new stadium in a reasonable time frame has always been a given. At the time of those other moves.........that was not the case in those towns.

I think you are confused about most of the moves that happened in the NFL. Most of them were because of serious stadium issues. Buffalo may have been a small market but they stepped up and built a modern NFL stadium. In Baltimore in 1984 after resisting funding improvements to Memorial Stadium the Maryland state legislature actually passed a law allowing the city of Baltimore to seize the Colts away from the Irsay family. The Raiders, Rams, Browns, Chargers and Raiders again all had similar issues with extremely antiquated stadiums. Those markets may have been wealthier but they were also pretty dismissive OR apathetic about their teams leaving at the time. The pastures haven't all been greener..........St. Louis was a much smaller market than LA and they ended up moving again, Baltimore to Cleveland was no massive windfall, and the Chargers are basically fan-less in LA. Even the Oilers downsized markets significantly to move to Nashville.

Well said. I didn't want to say it because it would have caused some outraged responses and links would have been demanded...........but moving a team is a big task and a good deal of risk. As a solo owner with no committed young heirs to help carry the ball, I never thought he had the ambition to go thru all of that. You don't just roll into some new town, unpack and set up the cash registers. His heirs didn't want to carry on the business so he didn't have the same impetus to treat the organization like a going concern the way owner's with a family succession plan do.

The size of the city itself mattered a lot more in 1959 than 1990. By 1990 the Bills were a regional franchise. While the actual population of the city of Buffalo has declined slightly since 1959.........that doesn't take into account the sprawl or the fact that the population of southern Ontario has almost tripled etc.. Overall it's a good sized tv market with an established, rabid fanbase that puts a high priority on the product.

Nah....... the NFL already had revenue sharing by the early 1960's. The greatest contribution Ralph had to promoting revenue sharing was co-starting a rival league.......the competitive pressure likely forced the NFL's last team with a regional tv deal(Cleveland) to give it up for the greater good..........and overall both league's knew the chain was only as strong as it's weakest link so they got in the habit of looking out for each other (another thing Ralph did with helping the financially weaker Patriots and Raiders franchises).

Tyrod Taylor had an 8.0 ypa in his first season as a Bill.........that is higher than Josh Allen had(7.9) in a season where he finished second in the MVP voting. Taylor regressed as the pressure to perform increased and he tried to play mistake free football. Plays like this will get you the rep for checking it down: https://www.12up.com/posts/video-mitchell-trubisky-actually-threw-a-checkdown-on-4th-and-23-vs-the-chiefs-01dwremcg5sn

That was one of the biggest complaints about him in Chicago.........he looks like a guy who could attack the whole field in practice but once the bullets start flying he starts checking it down. His Tyrod-Taylor-2017-like career ypa of 6.7 does little to dispel that notion. Not saying he couldn't get better in year 5 but I certainly wasn't putting any stock into how he looked in shorts in OTA's.

This roster would have the aughts era TSW screamin' for a first round runnin' back!

Middling, mediocre and decent + no playmakers = a contender for the first overall draft pick As for Mitch Trubisky.........look at the talent at WR and TE Miami has........or the OL and TE that New England has...........it would be very difficult for check-down Mitch to look like the best QB in the division with that supporting cast. Sorry, but you are out of focus on this take.

The Bills depth is excellent.........but most of those dudes are JAG's and rookies.........you win with difference makers. That would be a top 5 drafting team........even the Jauron teams had *some* stars. Rookie Spencer Brown.....who hasn't played in a game since 2019.....at LT in an NFL game? Who would be playing QB in week 2?

Because injuries and arrests happen..........especially the latter between mini-camp and TC. The Eagles are just waiting it out for a team to hopefully get needy at TE. Maybe they give him leave to attend the Olympics and buy themselves more time yet to let some TE blow out a knee in someone's TC.

The story with the drop in the LSU game and a few of the drops last year leave a small concern that he could have more concentration/pressure drops or "yips" in his future. I'm hoping but not assuming it's all going to be linear or even any improvement at all with him. Josh Reed's happen. Belitnikoff winner to remarkable rookie to broken confidence and pffft. You need to stay deep at WR in the NFL. They are a bit thinner at the X or Z positions than I'd like. No real competition at all for Davis job..........and one of the aspects I love about competition is that head-to-head takes players out of their own head.

I will say that at least Ralph was competitive..........if not consistently on the field at least with his fellow owners over profits. It could be worse........Cubs fans endured ownership that wasn't terribly concerned with winning for the better part of 100 years. Imagine if the Bills were owned by a local news rag........if people think the Pegula's influence what's written in Buffalo.. The moral of the Cubs situation though is that it's not healthy or even appropriate to just be grateful you have something to pay for. These owners are selling you the competitive spirit that comes with a pro sports team......it's OK to hold them to that standard. You can appreciate the Pegula's keeping the teams in town but also know that they are possibly the worst on-ice stewards of hockey in NHL history.

Al Pacino as the mod that puts this thread out of its misery.

I think it was co-created by people who didn't know how to quantify his issues and those who wanted to create a defense for him. You could always point to a bunch of times where he spent big money..........the parity encouraging system of the NFL makes it more than an accident when you end up with opportunities to get star players.........and star players will get paid. Then you could always point to embarrassingly cheap things he did...........like getting beaten by the ***** Montreal Alouettes of the CFL for #1 overall pick Tom Cousineau. Or getting players like Cribbs and Kelly poached by the upstart USFL. But it was never just about being cheap..........it was about bad football decisions and a lot of them just happened to involve being cheap.

People like you should ask themselves........how are you advancing a discussion demanding that there is a difference between "one-cut" and "straight ahead" when the alternative explanation for trading McCoy was "it was because he was black and Chip Kelly is a racist". Philly got rid of McCoy and added two high profile black RB's. They also controversially got rid of All Pro guard Evan Mathis.......caucasian. It was a load of BS from McCoy........who just resisted adapting to the style of run game that Kelly wanted to run. He did the same thing his first season in Buffalo before finally admitting to himself that he was leaving those yards on the table and running it like it was drawn up in 2016.

Yeah, the Dareus mistake was egregious though.........he had earned that big contract.........the problem with that deal was solely not having strong punitive clauses for misconduct for a repeat offender. NO WAY Ralph and Littman let that contract happen. That was a careless rookie owner mistake. Ralph wasn't "cheap" by nature he was "mercurial" by nature..........which periodically included penny pinching tactics like "cash to the cap" as an excuse to horde cash during the drought.