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"Whoa is me." I have a job and had access to a college education so I can B word at millionaires. If they had an internet connection I would love to find someone in a 3rd world country who is wondering where their next bowl of rice is coming from and get them to complain about your whiny american ass. Just out of curiosity can you please point out where I am defending Peterson? You do realize that my belief that I understand what he was trying to say doesn't equal support right? Just because you can explain WHY someone did something doesn't mean you SUPPORT what they did. I hope you are clever enough to get that. I think if you actually read what I wrote, the ENTIRETY of it, you will see that what he said was indeed stupid however I think I get the analogy he was trying to make. Although stupid I am not outraged. I am not going to go spray paint signs and go march. I am not going to lose a minute of sleep over it. I am not going to try to "keep it alive" like the Vick haters that every time the guy does something good some jack ass has to open their trap about his past sins. We haven't forgotten what Vick did. He was a complete jerk. Get over it. For about the tenth time for the deaf, blind and people in the cheap seats...WHAT HE DID WAS STUPID!!! Hope that was clear enough for you but I'm sure you will highlight and bold some individual sentence fragment and rail against it like it was my whole point.

WHAT!?!?!?! 28" Waist!?!!? I'm no doctor but with how tall he is and a waist that small how did anyone expect him to bulk up? Myself included. Is it me or did Maybin look the biggest he's ever been between college and the pros during the combine? I would guess they test the hell out of these guys but I wonder if there is a loop hole in the middle when you are no longer a college athlete and not yet a pro. Could he have been using enhancers?

Nothing is free. SOME football players get a free ride in college to the tune of what a $20,000/yr tuition? How many MILLIONS of dollars does the school make off of these supposedly non professional athletes? If the games are televised and merchandise is sold these guys are professionals that aren't being paid. The NCAA college football rant is a whole other issue. I always used to joke that somebody should start a professional college football league. Instead of these guys working a crappy after school job to make money. Go play in the professional college league and get paid hundreds of thousands if not millions. You could pay your tuition to ANY college of your choosing and be able to truly enjoy the fruits of your labor. You are consistent in your beliefs which I respect. I actually for the most part agree with you on those points. We just differ on how much a dumb statement by a football player trying to make a bad analogy impacts us.

Fair enough. Some people are thin skinned and find many things offensive. Your outrage is your right just as my lack of outrage is mine. By your line of reasoning unemployed people or people living in countries where they don't know where their next meal is coming from much less have the ability to go to the supermarket to buy groceries should be outraged when we working stiffs complain about our jobs. We are such spoiled brats with our weekly income and cable TV. Should people less fortunate than us find our bitching and moaning about our steady jobs offensive? Should they find it offensive we throw away more food than they eat? Perspective is a B word if you go down that "class" envy road.

The military isn't really a good comparison to NFL football is it? Kind of like slavery not being a good comparison. The nature of the military is such that people are trained and deployed as needed to protect this country's interests foreign and domestic. You don't get to choose which office you want to work in. You don't get to choose what war you go fight or why it is being fought. Service to ones country is not just a job it's a commitment and promise to this country that should be respected by politicians that put our young men and women in harms way. The NFL is a job. I think I get the point you are trying to make though. Despite Peterson's analogy being flawed I think I get the point Peterson was trying to make. In the sensationalism of the statement some people have forgotten it is just an analogy. A comparison. Does anyone really feel that Peterson was asserting that the NFL is like ACTUAL slavery??? If you do I think your quite naive or easily swayed by controversial statements. Same as what would appear to be happening with my statements.

Not sure how you read all of that into my statements but....oh...wait..."SARCASM... the protest of those who are"....

Not sure I put much stock in the high school pro offense but very interesting news indeed. I agree that Gabbert would probably adjust much more quickly but Newton is just a winner and has rare rare qualities for a QB. I hate that every couple years there is always the athletic vs the technician QB dual for first QB chosen. The wonderlick really impresses me about Gabbert. Guys got a brain. If he has the balls and the body to go with it I am not so sure about Newton over Gabbert anymore. Newton has the physical skills to be sick but will he be a Vince Young or a Steve Young.

Already stated in another post. Don't get me wrong. The comments were indeed stupid and the comparison is thin at best but I think I have a feel for what he was trying to communicate. Very poorly, yes.

Forgot my biggest point. Unlike some corporations and their non compete clauses, yes I had to sign one, the player has ABSOLUTELY no control over where he will work once he decides to become a football player. When a teacher graduates from school they aren't put up on a stage and "selected" by a school district to work and then be forced to stay their for 4+ years. They can choose their employer out of college. These guys can't. You would have a much more valid point on this if the NFL were truly a free market and potential employees could START their career IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD anywhere they want if the company was willing to hire them. Instead they have to work for whoever selects them and then wait to be "emancipated" so that they can choose their own destiny. That is of course unless they get "franchised"

This was sort of my point. Slavery is not a black issue. Many people of many ethnicities in the history of this world of ours have been enslaved. It is our american and racial bias that make many think it is a black thing. Black civil rights leaders should be no more ashamed or outraged than asian, french, irish...etc civil rights leaders.

NO WAY!!! HE MADE A RACIST STATEMENT AND HE IS A WHINY BLACK MILLIONAIRE!!! Just kidding. At least someone is able to see beyond the sensationalism of the statement and consider what it is he might be talking about. We (people of all races with less money) ARE in many ways slaves to the man (people of all races with a whole lot of money). Yes we get paid and yes we can change jobs. THAT is not the issue. The issue is that we HAVE TO WORK. What if you decided NOT to work???? How free are you then? The government comes in and takes everything you own because you aren't paying taxes on it and you become a bum. Within some of our lifetimes there was no property or income taxes. If you wanted you could move out west. Raise your own livestock. Grow your own vegetables and LIVE FREE! Try to do that now. Can't be done. We HAVE to work. As modern day slaves we all just have the choice of WHERE.

Hrm...last I knew there were people of many ethnicities playing football? Who said Adrian Peterson's statement was referring to black people????? If someone is making this a racial statement that someone needs to take a look at themselves. This type of statement for joe six pack that can't see farther than his own biases and prejudices is always very controversial. If I had to guess he is referring to contracts and the inability to switch jobs within his field like anyone else. If you work for McDonalds you can decide not to show up at work the next day and get a job with Burger King and make the same money. You could even take a promotion (salary increase) with Wendy's the day after that. Not so in the NFL. It is a very small job market and there are rules against leaving one company(franchise) for another. More direct comparisons to slavery of any sort for people of any color is that the "merchandise" is poked prodded and examined before drafting "purchasing" the employee. They make you run, jump, lift and that's just the stuff that we see at the "combine". Behind closed doors these guys are stripped naked and examined like animals. Again potential NFL players of ALL RACES. Think about how announcers and scouts discuss NFL candidates and players. It's like they are describing horses or bulls or something. They even make statements like "he comes from good stock" for instance when Clay Mathews was running around at the combine. He's not a beast of burden. Peterson WAS stupid for making the comment because most people can't get past the sensationalism of the statement and even remotely consider the similarities he might be referring to. Again not a racist statement.

Gabe Watson is a career bum with no upside. I don't even know how you typed that with a straight face. You state your points above like they are something I and everybody else for that matter, don't already know. I'm as sure as you can be for a 3rd round draft pick that has never played in the NFL. Yes I think he "could" be the answer. "Sure?" You can't be sure of anything with college players entering the NFL including your beloved Fairley/Dareus. I guess attempting to spin other peoples statements or shift their emphasis is your little game you play to either elicit additional posts or just be an obtuse troll. You kind of gave yourself away using your favorite catch phrase "parrot". Not sure what screen name you used at the time but I seem to recall a similar line of BS in another thread. I accurately stated that you parrot yourself. Enough of it. No more posts for you. Good luck getting more people to respond to your useless thread.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I haven't seen anything to make me compare the two. McKelvin's problems I think are in his head. I hate to call a guy out but I think he performed VERY poorly on the wonderlick. So far I haven't heard or seen anything from Peterson that would make me put him in that category. What have you seen that makes you think he is McKelvin 2.0 other than the similar great physical tools you sited?

If we didn't have a ridiculous history with drafting DBs I would be all for this guy. The Bills have spent way way way too many picks on DBs over the last 14 years or so. We don't pay them. It's a fact. If we got this kid he would be gone in 4 years. The only way that pick would make even the slightest amount of sense is if we dealt one of the DBs we already have for a pick or another position of need. Kept McKelvin and hope that he finally learns how to play with his legs under him instead of looking off balance and late....AND...we play man in the secondary 90% of the time to allow our crappy LBs and pretty good D-lineman to blitz...CONSTANTLY! It's not the way I would do it but maybe then we could generate a pass rush and stop the run

Still not playing your game. LBs are what we need...REPEAT...LBs are what we need!!! Powe is a minuscule additional point I tried to make that you are trying to blow up into the entirety of my statement. I think Powe in the 3rd round would be a nice addition to rotate with Troup when he needs a rest. He is supposed to be a run stopping specialist. What NT would you suggest in the 3rd round that you feel is a better run stopper than Powe? Again, the conversation is about getting good LB and getting them early.

What kind of argument is that? Why exactly should I take the opinion, or parrot if you will, the views of a nameless faceless poster on the internet over actual nfl scouts and talent evaluators? I guess you're just the visionary that sees what nobody else can that the unknown Hunter is an obvious stud waiting to set the NFL on fire. Get real. Get a grip. Get a life. Nice attempt to change the subject but my point was and is I don't think we should be looking to get by on the cheap or with flyers to fix our biggest area of need at LB. Just because you can't come to grips with reality and want us to switch back to the 3-4 doesn't mean it is going to happen. Running down the highly rated LBs at the top of the draft and making accusations of mindless following of public opinion doesn't give your argument one scrap of respectability or validity.

Isn't Fairley a 4-3 DT? Sounds like someone didn't get the memo we will be playing a 3-4.

I definitely don't think fixing our biggest area of need on the defense with value players and flyers is the way to go. As you can tell from the signature my first 2 desired picks would go a long way towards shoring up the huge talent gap at LB. I too hope that Kyle will kick out to DE which will mean Troup will start at center and he will neeed a guy to rotate with. Bring in man mountain run stuffer Jerrell Powe. Now our defense suddenly looks young and strong with a bright future.

Update. We will be playing a 3 - 4 next year mixed with some 4 - 3. The 4 - 6 defense used to rock back in the day too! Carry on. I like your starting lineup but I hope Carrington can beat out Edwards. I doubt we will spend the #3 over all pick on a guy to play the same DE position as our 2nd round pick last year. I also doubt we will draft Fairley as he is a 4-3 DT. Dareus is the guy that everyone says can play 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. That being said our LBs are HORRIBLE. I repeat our LB are HORRIBLE. Merriman hasn't played "lights out" since he hurt his knee and got off the juice. Poz, although an overwhelming fan favorite for some, is slightly above average at best and can't cover to save his life. Look at all of the TDs scored by TEs last year and you will see Poz getting badly beaten in coverage. Moats is an undersized over achiever who is serviceable. Don't even make me speak the name of Mr K!!! We didn't get gashed up the middle. We got killed around the ends and on cut backs. Our LBs are too slow and lack the size and athleticism to get the job done. To make it worse they don't even compensate with football savvy to hold their lane responsibilities. We need help at LB BIG TIME! If anything our D-line is making our LBs look better than they are!!!!

There is uncertainty to be sure but I think this guy could be the real deal. I know this is speculative but imagine how the conversation would change if he just duplicated his sophomore year. Again, not talking about imagine him duplicating his senior year. Not talking about imagine duplicate a junior year if he had stayed a year longer. We are talking about a guy that arrived in his sophomore year. I'm not a college fan so I'm not sure how often guys have GREAT sophomore years and then tank for their junior and senior years. Because Quinn figured it out early I'm much more optimistic.

Quinn comes with question marks since he didn't play last year. Did you see his sophomore year though? 20 year old kid was killing it. If this guy played his junior year last year and just put up the same numbers he is a slam dunk. Well, as much of a slam dunk as any guy who has never played in the nfl can. Imagine if he stayed his senior year. This guy comes with obvious risk but he could be a steal in the draft. No, getting selected at #3 over all isn't truly a steal. I just feel if this guy had the same numbers in his junior year as he did his sophomore year Carolina would select this guy from North Carolina as the next Julius Peppers and we would be talking about "if only he fell to us". One year wonder? On a technicality only. This guy did it his 2nd year in college. To me one year wonders are guys that have their wonder year in their junior year and come out early or don't finally get things together until their senior year after 3 years of nothing.

Who would you rank 1 and 2 at 3-4 NOSE tackle?

Play Cam Newton.

Sorry, it's the tiger blood.