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On 6/16/2023 at 7:17 AM, Bills!Win! said:
They say it’s best to write out your dreams as soon as you wake up so that you remember he most details. So here it goes
I had the craziest Bills winning the Super Bowl type dream.
It was the start of the 4th quarter and the Bills were down to the Giants 31-14. The first half was an epic disaster. It was as bad as the 52-17 bills cowboys Super Bowl as Josh Allen was throwing all sorts of ridiculous interceptions and even got a leg injury but was playing and hobbling through it
The Bills came back but were still down 34-31 with 3 minutes to go. It was 4th and goal and the bills were about to kick a field goal to tie the game. Sean McDermott called a timeout just as the bills snapped the ball to kick a field goal. They decided to go for it on 4th and goal at the 2
Josh Allen dropped back and threw a wobbly jump ball to the right side of the end zone and Dawson Knox had 3 defenders on him. All 3 defenders and Knox had their hands on the ball and he some how came down with it as he ripped it from their hands.
Everyone was going crazy, it was euphoric.
The giants got the ball back after the kickoff went out of bounds. Up 38-34 with 3 minutes left we had all seen this bills story before. The giants are driving down the field and get to first and goal just as it hits the 2 minute warning.
The Giants QB snaps the ball under center and fumbles it. It seems like an eternity as both teams are fighting for the ball at the bottom of the pile. The bills ended up with the ball at their own 10 yard line!
With the 2 minutes to go, the giants still had their 3 timeouts. The bills first play they got a 30 yard completion. The giants let 40 seconds of the clock go down instead of using their first timeout.
With 1:20 left the bills ran 3 run plays up the middle for 3 yards each. With 1 minute left the bills went for 4th and 1 around midfield because they didn't want to punt the ball back to the giants. Josh Allen then lined up in shotgun and ran a draw right up the middle and did one of those diving leaps and got a first down.
As time expired he threw his helmet up in the air like 40 yards and did one of those Josh Allen excited face screams.
The bills won the Super Bowl in dramatic fashion. It was fandemonium
That's an awfully specific dream 😂
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On 7/1/2023 at 11:14 AM, CincyBillsFan said:
So you've been a "Bills fan for over 40 years"? A couple of comments on this:
* As a Bills fan I never considered that I "suffered" through the 4 SB losses. I was frustrated and pissed off, but "suffered" - no that would not be a word I would use for the excitement of going to FOUR straight Super Bowl games, winning FOUR straight AFC championship games and watching a team with all sorts of future HOFers enjoy a decade of elite play.
* Prescott was 2nd in TO's playing what 5 fewer games? That's why he was roasted. And for the record, Dallas didn't go 13 - 3, win their division or advance to the divisional round of the playoffs. And Prescott had a better O line and more top notch offensive play makers then Allen had.
* By what criteria & evidence are you basing your claim that Allen isn't fully committed? The off-season is designed in part for these players to unwind, get healthy and clear their heads. No QB in the last 5 years has been more successful then Mahomes and what does he do in the off season? Make a lot of commercials from what I can tell.
You use "frustrated" and "pissed off". I say "suffered". Seriously? LOL. Because I used the word "suffered" instead of the words you used, I'm not a Bills fan? I enjoyed the ride back then, but like many Bills fans, we suffered through 4 Super Bowl losses. What if I said you're not a fan because you got "pissed off" over the 4 losses? LOL. You gotta do better than that.
So you're ok with going 13-3 and getting blown out at home in the divisional round? Good for you, but I'm not. I don't care about Prescott and his team. I would never try to say that Prescott is better than Allen. If that's what you're assuming, you're dead wrong. Geesh!!!
I did not say that Allen wasn't fully committed!!! Re-read my posts and then come back when you're more prepared for this conversation.
11 minutes ago, 90sBills said:He did say he’s extra focused on football now. So there’s that.
He did, and I hope it's true. But doesn't everyone say that?
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On 7/1/2023 at 9:22 AM, Fan in Chicago said:
I am curious why you are questioning his commitment. I do realize that last season he was practicing with Palmer but does not doing so this offseason lead you to that conclusion?
I for one dont have all the information about what he does every off-season and cannot judge him. But I also think that the offseason is a time to recuperate mind and body for the grueling season. The last one was particularly so for Allen given the low level of talent around him. I do want him to take time off to not think about the game, relax , get things in perspective, keep his body fit and come to TC fully recharged.
You will realize I am not trying to be an a$$ and truly want to know the background to your assessment.
I stated why I felt this way in my post. Go back and read it. I do not question his will to win. I think he has distractions this off season that he did not have in the past. What's wrong with pointing them out? But again, my point was to say that maybe the Diggs drama will help this team in the long haul. I hope this is the case. He could prove me wrong and cause all kinds of drama too. I was not judging Allen. He is their only hope for a Super Bowl. I just HOPE he's as committed as he was after his rookie season. I hope I've been clear.
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On 7/1/2023 at 5:38 AM, Aimee75 said:
No I have not been a fan for two years. I have been an avid Bills fan since 1988.
No knowledgeable person thought Josh would win MVP? You serious? He came in 2nd in 2020, and quite frankly I think he should have gotten it that year. He was very much in the race last season, till his elbow injury.
I don't understand fans of this team, who claim to be lifelong, bitching so much about a QB who has pretty much brought this organization back to life, especially after a 17 year drought. It's freaking strange to me. This team is not stacked like the 90's Super Bowl teams were. We got Allen, and we got Diggs. That is it. There are no Kent Hulls on this team, or Howard Ballards, no James Lofton type, no Thurman Thomas type RB's, certainly no Bruce Smiths. I don't get the comments about Allen over on this forum, and it's something I have noticed since the season ended.
I never said you "hated" Allen. I don't know you enough to know that. I just don't think his offseason has any bearing on how he will play. If he wants to golf and go on dates with Hailee Steinfeld, I don't think that is remotely an issue. He shows up at OTA's and all that, and aside from that, we literally have no idea what is happening behind the scenes as far as what he is doing in the off season. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
I wasn't talking about 2020. In 2022, he had no realistic shot at the MVP, unless you want to include predictions made before the season started. Yes, then some said he would win it. I'm basing my statements on the fact that he turned the ball over way too much to have a shot.
I can never understand people who watch the Bills through rose colored glasses, like you. Guess what, a person can be an avid Bills fan and still be able to have a realistic view of their performances. Again, you cannot seem to get the fact that I was not "bitching" about him. I merely pointed out that I noticed some things that might cause him a distraction going forward. Re-read my posts.
To say "We got Allen and we got Diggs. That's it" is laughable. This team has loads of talented players. No team can be compared to a time when there was no salary cap. Honestly, to say that makes me question your football knowledge. I'm sorry, but seriously? The comments on this forum have nothing to do with what I said. Please don't conflate my comments with that of others.
I'm glad you know that I do not hate Josh Allen. I'm a big fan of his. To be honest you seem to have a "he can do no wrong" attitude about him. Also, any player's offseason has a bearing on their play. How hard a player prepares, works on his weaknesses, etc. impacts his season. I do agree that we have no idea what might be happening in his preparation for the upcoming season, but I can comment on what I have seen. Like I have stated, I hope he has a great season. I merely said that what Diggs did might actually help them in the long haul. I remember when some of the Bills had to straighten out Jim Kelly. go Bills!!!!
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17 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
Great post! I’ve been accused of not being a real fan as well for having criticisms of Allen when he played poorly. Some fans just can’t handle anything less than adulation of him. He’s not perfect. He’d be the first to say that.
Exactly. It's not that we are not fans, right? We want them to win. Thank you for your support.
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7 hours ago, Beck Water said:
You are mistaken.
Josh did lead the league in turnovers last year. 14 INT and 5 fumbles lost:
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-players-with-most-turnovers-2022
Like most statistics, some context is needed to interpret them sensibly. Of course all the league leaders in TO are QBs because, INT. But, of the top 5 (Allen, Ryan, Mills, Cousins, Lawrence), Allen is the only one with a significant running component to his game.
The 5 top rushing QB (Fields, Jackson, Hurts, Allen, Jones) all lost 2-3 fumbles. Allen is an outlier there with 5 fumbles lost.
But of those 5, only Jalen Hurts is a top passer (11th in YPG). The others are all <200 ypg guys.
So fundamentally, Allen combines the fumbles of a dual threat QB with the fumbles of a top passing QB who tries to extend plays and risks the strip sack. Is it good, No, but understood in context, he's not some hideous outlier, either.
We'd like to see Allen replicate his 2020 season, when he had both Diggs, Brown/Davis as a deep threat, and Beasley as an "always open" slot outlet. In that season, Allen was 8th in the league with 16 turnovers. He threw 4 fewer INT, but he also lost 6 fumbles out of 9 total. He can do better: 2021 lost 3 fumbles out of 8 total.
The point is, Allen will always likely be high on the "turnovers" list as long as he remains a dual threat QB who is contributing near the top 5 for YPG passing, AND is one of the top 5 rushing QB. We want him to get back to the 2021 level of fumbles and the 2020 level of INTs. BUT, he can't do that alone. He needs receivers and a well-designed passing game that gives him options, he needs protection, and he needs to improve his decision making (McDermott said this),
Josh did cost the team with turnovers other than the Vikings game. We eventually won in GB - but it was much closer than it should have been due to Josh's dumb 2nd half picks taking points off the board for us and handing them to GB. Our D bailed us out to get the W, and if they aren't as good next season (quite possible), we'll lose more of those GB like games.
Then we lost to the Jets and Josh was injured the following week. Again, INT by Josh played a key role. He was picked once on the Jets 13 yd line, taking points off the board. He was picked a 2nd time and the play ended in the Red Zone for the Jets and resulted in 14 points 3 plays later. That's the difference between losing 17-20 and winning 24-13 or 20-13 right there. Maybe if Allen isn't pushing to make something happen at the end, he gets the ball out and his UCL isn't torn near the end.
Then there's the Miami playoff game, where we won 34-31, but Miami got 16 points (could have been 18) directly off Josh Allen turnovers (2 picks and a fumble). It should never have been that close. It left the team drained and exhausted. Maybe if it were a cleaner win, we would have had more in the tank for the Bengals.I don't buy this "he is a gunslinger, high risk/high reward thing. Allen is capable of better - see above, in previous years he has done better.
But as @Buffalo716 has said, he's also only 1/53 players and he needs some help offensively to get there. He is pushing because he thinks he needs to press like that to win. He needs better decision making, but he also needs an "Easy" button to push.Great post!! Maybe Kincaid can be that "Beasley" always open guy this year.
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9 hours ago, Aimee75 said:
He was very much in the MVP race, are you serious right now? Are you really a Bills fan or just a troll in the guise of a Bills fan? I see a lot of that over here. People who show up to pick on Allen or the team. I can't help but side eye.
You do realize that Mahomes and Burrow also had a ton of INT's too, right? I could have sworn that Dak Prescott led the league in turnovers, but I could be wrong. Either way, people just use Josh's turnovers as an excuse to discredit him as a QB. It's all they have at this point. Josh is a gunslinger, and turnovers are a part of his play. I am not saying he can't clean those up or make better decisions, but he is the main reason the team is in these games, or winning them. Two 13-3 seasons and one 11-6. It's not like he is costing the team games with turnovers, aside from the Vikings game. He is high risk/high reward, and usually the reason the team is on the winning side of games.
BTW I said your "take was dumb", not you.
I've been a Bills fan for over 40 years. Had season tickets during the Super Bowl years. Don't try to say that I'm not a Bills fan because I have an opinion on a certain topic. How long have you been a fan, 2 years? And yes, he had odd's on him to win MVP, but no real knowledgeable person thought he had any chance to win it. No one with the most turnovers would ever win it. Just because I didn't think he was ever a serious candidate to win the award doesn't mean I'm not a big Josh Allen fan. I am certainly a fan, and I would give anything to just win one Super Bowl. I suffered through a lot of lean years and then suffered through 4 Super Bowl losses.
Dak Prescott was second and he's been roasted because of it. Mahomes had 12, Burrow I believe had 15. I wouldn't say anyone had a ton of turnovers, even Josh didn't have , in your words, a ton. Yes, turnovers are part of his play, but go back and look at some of them. Even he admits many of them were preventable. He has to do better and he's the first to admit that. Kudos to him for saying that.
I'd like to know how you turned my comments into me hating Josh Allen as our QB. I think he is probably going to go down as our best ever. I just questioned his total commitment based on what I see in the off season. This is why I think your take on my take is dumb. Because I questioned his total commitment this off season, not his ability as a quarterback. He's been great for the most part. Without him at his best, they have no shot. My initial point was saying that maybe Diggs was trying to make a statement concerning the commitment of the coaches and maybe even Josh. I said this spat may end up helping the team in the long haul. Look back on all my posts. I am not a troll.
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1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said:
I never criticize specific players for skipping voluntary "off-season" team activities. It's been collectively bargained, and it's their right to be elsewhere. Full stop.
However, I can empathize with those fans/pundits who DO criticize players for missing voluntary training, as it's easy to see how incredibly well-compensated they are especially in light of how many bargained days they have "off" each year. I'm sure the specifics are available online, but assuming NFL players officially "work" 6 days a week from August through January (or 6 months total starting in late July but usually ending in early January): that's roughly 156 days of mandated, on-site work. And we know that's a liberal estimate, given bye weeks and other breaks. (I'm avoiding the reality that serious, successful NFL players probably "voluntarily" choose to "work" (train) a little bit (2-3 hours) 6 days a week, almost every week of the calendar year.)
For comparison, the most days off I can think of for "normal" citizens is probably teachers, who around me, have bargained roughly 185-190 calendar days of work. So an additional month of on-site work days, and for approximately 1/10th-1/20th the salary at best.
I would argue because of the nature of the sport, the bargained days of are a good thing for the players. We want players to be as healthy as possible when the season starts. I think it's possible that Diggs didn't show to make a statement. He saw the same offense as he saw in the Cincinnati playoff game and wants change. Ken Dorsey was badly outcoached by Cincy. I have no doubt that Diggs wants to win, badly.
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20 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
This coming season is a critical one for him. His trajectory has taken a dip. Let’s see if he can turn it around in the right direction.
I agree
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15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Come on man. You made the claim that Allen wasn't as focused and committed as he was before and Diggs was calling him out on that. Allen showing up at voluntary OTA's and Diggs not showing up kind of throws a wrench in your theory.
I said he may not be as focused as before because of all the distractions. Didn't you read where I said that I hope I am wrong? Allen HAS to show up at the voluntary OTAs. If he didn't, that would be a story, every though it's voluntary. Diggs not showing up for voluntary OTAs proves my point. He's making a statement. He wants a change somewhere. I think now they are listening. This may help in the long run.
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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
My original comment to you was because you were talking about how Allen led the league in turnovers
Which obviously isn’t good but it doesn’t mean he’s on some awful path
Then I named a bunch of great quarterbacks who also did the same… relevant
My whole point was not to say Allen was a bad quarterback, but that I'm not sure he's as focused as he was before
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9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Phillip rivers is better than a lot of teams best quarterbacks…
Points stands he led the NFL in turnovers… So did Favre.. Peyton Manning and Eli Manning
And all are great quarterbacks
Like I said, you've taken this conversation on new path. I never said Rivers was a bad quarterback. Why are we talking about Rivers? By the way, Rivers has not won a Super Bowl
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Phillip rivers is going to the Hall of Fame and is better Then any quarterback the bills have ever had not named Kelly or Allen
We would’ve killed for Philip Rivers before Josh Allen
You’re acting like he’s Jay Cutler
Bills have never had good quarterbacks not named Kelly or Allen. You might make a case for Ferguson. So really, you've gone way off topic
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7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Not because of him lol and does team game not register ? It’s 1 of 52
Peyton Manning couldn’t do it all by himself … There’s a reason Eli refused to go to San Diego
He couldn't get it done in the clutch, go back and look at that game
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9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
It’s a team game ….
40 year old Philip Rivers balled out in the playoffs with the Colts against us… throwing dimes at 38
He lost 🤦♂️
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Brett Favre , Eli manning and Phillip Rivers all led the league in turnovers
All 3 will be HoF
That is a good point except for Philip Rivers who was a no show for the most part in the playoffs. Also, Eli Manning kind of sucked, but won in the playoffs because of great defense and some clutch throws and great catches, but I do give him credit for those wins, just that he wouldn't have done it without that great defense. Favre was great and at times was terrible. He won one Super Bowl. I'm not sure The Bills will get even one with Josh Allen, because of the talent in the AFC.
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On 6/25/2023 at 1:55 AM, Doc Brown said:
Josh Allen showed up at all the voluntary OTA's. Diggs didn't. So to think that Diggs was trying to send a wake up call to Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey to work harder to win next season like he does is laughable. Come on man. Stop making excuses for his selfish behavior.
Those were voluntary. Why people like to criticize players for not showing up to voluntary practice has always perplexed me. But anyway, we will see this year if it was selfish or a desire to win. I saw a guy in the Cincinnati game who was upset about losing. I didn't see that same passion in the rest of the offense that day. I still think this whole thing might end up helping the team. Remember the bickering Bills?
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On 6/25/2023 at 10:26 PM, Aimee75 said:
This is such a dumb take. I am sorry, but it is. If we are going to complain about Allen dating a movie star and doing golf outings, we would have to do the same for Diggs and his modeling.
FWIW I have no issues with either. I have no worries about either of them regarding being focused and driven when it comes to Football, at all. They both prove it year in and out. Josh being in commercials did not hinder his performance last season. He was well in the MVP race till he got an elbow injury.
These guys are allowed to have lives and other interests in the off season.
This is such a dumb take. He was never really in the MVP race. Josh Allen had the most turnovers in the NFL in 2022. Let that sink in, THE MOST!! I never said they weren't allowed to have lives. I'm just commenting on what I have observed this off season. To be the best at something, it takes hard work. It takes commitment. As I've said, I hope I'm wrong. Also, if you want to have a conversation, don't start off by calling the other person dumb.
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On 6/25/2023 at 12:24 AM, oldmanfan said:
So you think those three have done nothing this off-season to improve? That they aren’t all in to win? Wasn’t Diggs just in France? Come on now.
Both could be true, Josh could be all in to win, but does he work as hard as he did after his rookie year? I have no idea if Diggs was in France, but if he was, so what. I'm not talking about one trip. I'm not saying they can't take a vacation. I'm just wondering about Josh's commitment when he's at every golf tournament. As a matter of fact he was at the tournament in Rochester and was interviewed on TV. All he could talk about was all the tournaments he was able to see and would see. He even lamented the one he would have to miss because of training camp. Then I see the rumors about him and Hailee Steinfeld and how they are seen about the town in NY. Does he still have the work ethic to get better, like he had when he made a meteoric improvement after his rookie year. I have no doubt he wants to win, but it takes a lot of work to stay at the top of your game and to even improve. I hope he proves me wrong.
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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:
Diggs didn't show up to voluntary OTA's. He waited until mandatory mini camp to bring up his "issues" and then was the only one of 90 players to miss practice that day. The "he just wants to win" excuse is a slap in the face to everyone else on that roster who also wants to win but doesn't have to publicly throw a hissy fit on the field during a playoff game to show it.
As I said, this might work out better than we think. Time will tell. I'm sure you will be cheering him on when he is catching touchdowns. Voluntary OTA's are just that, voluntary. Why would he show up to voluntary practices and do this? It wouldn't get his point across. If mandatory practice is so important, why did they cancel the last day?
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4 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:
Diggs showed up to mandatory not voluntary
You're right
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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Which one showed up to voluntary OTA's?
Diggs did show up, and left for what may turn out to be good reasons. Josh Allen shows up for all the pro golf tournaments too. That's my concern. Is he as committed?
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2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
Nope. Talk radio is where they gather like the old up'Chuck Dickerson fans.
😂😂
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2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
Well there is probably a correlation between those who think they are in hot seat and those who say that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing.
Yeah ok, but this opinion is not coming from inside the organization.
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