CodeMonkey

Not sure about beta-male, but it is pretty clearly juvenile. But so is the game and there really is no harm after all My kids wear players jerseys from lots of sports as well as the jersey-looking t-shirts but I do not. To each his/her own

These guys have been coddled their entire lives because they are good at football. I mean, there were guys graduating from college who could not read or write past an elementary school level. College!! None of this is surprising or likely to change. And as others have said, without being part of the case you won't know if the sexual assaults are real or not. And public urination could be taking a leak on a tree (how many times is this done any given Sunday at the Ralph) and being seen by a cop having a bad day. People do bad things. And after all, football players are just people who happen to be good at football.

I have to believe once they get him a number they will be available from legit as well as China very quickly!

Someone made this same post for the previous 13 seasons as well. What if's are meaningless and for losers. Don't worry (too much) about the past, but instead look forward to this coming season. If Manuel and Marrone step up their games the Bills should be at the very least respectable.

Hold up there young man ... The Donald does not own the team yet!

Spiller isn't capable of being an every down back.

If someone makes a good offer for Spiller I think the Bills will take it. But with 1 year left on his contract there is no way the Bills get a first or probably even a second for him. I suspect the Bills will want too much so Spiller plays out his contract and walks.

At least they didn't give up next years 1st.

I saw a picture of the Bills war room on facebook after the Watkins pick. I counted 24 people in there including Whaley and Brandon. I would love to sit in sometime for two reasons: 1) To see how it all plays out. 2) To see what in the world all of those people could possibly be doing.

There is always an element of luck involved when you play the game the way the Browns played it last night. The Bills did not gamble, they mortgaged next draft to make sure they got the player they wanted now. It's tough to argue with the player. The price however can be debated (and is in several threads). The Browns did gamble, and it paid off for them (at least to the extent that they seemed to have accomplished what they set out to do). I doubt their strategy hinged on Kiper's chart (or his hair ). But based on the number of moves they made in a fairly short period of time, it is pretty clear they had it well choreographed ahead of time. I guess it is fair to say that the Bills reached for Manuel while the Browns gambled on Manziel dropping like a rock. Both teams got what they wanted. Time will tell how it will work out for them both. Also, Manziel may have a lot to prove. But he was drafted at 21 was it? Manuel was drafted at 9 and was considered by some to be a reach. Who has the most to prove?

I tend to agree with the pundits here. I love the player, he is exactly the player that the Bills needed to give Manuel every opportunity to succeed. i dislike the price. I never like mortgaging the future to that extent. The 1st next year doesn't sit well. But I trust that Whaley knows what he is doing long term.

He made some good plays, and at least as many horrific plays. Was inconsistent (being kind) with the long ball. And couldn't stay on the field. It looks like the Bills are trying to give him everything he needs to succeed with the trade up last night. And we will know in the next season or two if the Bills have their starting QB or not. For me, the jury is very much still out. Too early to call him a bust, but equally too early to put him in the HOF as well.

I agree. Particularly if they get a good OT and TE in the remainder of the draft. And it is very possible they will.

It is interesting to hear someone talk about a team other than the Bills this way

Gruden sure seems to have a man crush on him for sure. I thought he was going to cry by the 10th pick and JF was still on the board. I personally think the Browns won the first round. Got exactly who they wanted and ended up with an additional 1st next draft as well.

Manziel Justin Gilbert (CB) Wow there were only 2! With all the wheeling dealing I thought there were 3! (But you could say 3 if you include the Bills 1st next draft ) Also, saw this quote while I was Googling ... Seems like he is good for ticket sales if nothing else.

Not sure I understand the basis for the sarcasm. Manuel has shown almost nothing (yet). Manziel and Bortles have obviously shown nothing yet. The Browns ended up with 3 players in the first round, and by a combination of GM draft pick trading skill and luck ended up with what I have to believe are the exact players they wanted, including getting what some if not most believe was the best QB in the class. And in a position of their greatest need. And if that wasn't enough, ended up with an additional 1st round pick next year in the process. No one knows how it will end up. But crowing about the Manuel pick last season seems premature at best.

No reason to bring Marcel into this

Yes, a little. The way things were going Evans could well have have been there at 9. But Watkins is a solid player in a position they needed badly. Plus hindsight is always 20/20.

Spiller never was, was never intended to be, and probably never will be "the man". He is a situational skatback that makes some electrifying runs, but the majority for little or no gain. I would love to have a beer or 5 with Gailey and/or Nix and find out what their thought process was with that pick. I'm sure they had a plan, but I can't fathom what it was. I want Watkins or Evans. But unless the Bills trade up I fear they will be gone by #9. If Manuel has any chance of succeeding, he will need a stud to throw to.

I gotta go with Bandit and say Evans.

Didn't PigBen get suspended for 4 games without even being arrested? I don't believe a player has to be convicted or even charged to be suspended. (Not saying he will or should by the way)

I agree commish. In fact, might I suggest having it really be draft "day" and instead of 10 minutes per team you make it 45 minutes (and require teams to take the full 45) to make it last the full 24 hours for the first round at least! Just imagine how many ads ESPN could sell in a 24 hour program!

I mean no disrespect to you either. Immaturity at that age I think gets amplified if you have been a star athlete your entire life. And I also wish him the best. But man you have to be smarter than that when you are in his position you know. It makes me a little (ok maybe not so little) crazy when I see stuff like this.

I'm not sure. 1) Thank you. 2) You are right, there was no reason or logic to include 'liberal'. 3) I totally get why you think I am a cold person after reading this. And BTW, do we know for a fact that any of this has any relevance to Dareus? Do we know he just doesn't like pot (even the fake kind)? I mean, I like it (eating it anyway).