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I am not saying Leroi is not connected - but I have some doubting questions here... 1. Why would he leak their board? As a fan - if I had access to their board, the last thing I would do is make it public knowledge. (maybe he is not a fan...I sincerely have no idea) 2. A teams draft board seems so guarded - why would they give this information up to someone - especially someone who would leak it on a popular Bills message board? I'm not saying teams our scouring message boards for information - but I certainly wouldn't chance it. IDK...if I am being cynical, I apologize.

I think 2 are first round worthy - Mahomes and Trubisky. But I think 3 go - with Kizer being the third one. Gun to my head...Watson drops to second round. Kizer and Watson should probably be 3rd round picks - they are both first read lock qbs with accuracy issues.

oof. brickwall.

it aint all black and white. multiple ways to look at things. and being that i dont think whaley is a bad Gm - i was giving you the reasons i come to that conclusion. got it?

This is fair - but one could argue: Sammy Watkins - the trade was expensive, especially considering the other WR's in that draft. But what if this guy stays healthy and produces like Julio Jones? Who would be mad at that? I know Atlanta isn't upset anymore - they just had to suffer through a couple injury riddled seasons with him. EJ - they needed a QB, and they went for one, arguably the best one in that draft. Unfortunately, he had to start sooner than he was ready. Plus, it has been reported that he was not next on Whaley's board - Nix pulled the trigger on it. But we can debate that another time. Rex - This has been widely reported to be a Pegula hire. But since he failed, the blame has shifted to Whaley. I do not believe that Rex, nor McDermott were Whaley hires. I believe the Pegulas hand picked both of them. These are all questionable things to have on your resume - no doubt. But until franchise QB's grow on trees - and just can't say Whaley has done a terrible job. The Buffalo Organization was JOKE (a huge freaking JOKE) for 10 plus years. That is a big mess to clean up.

He isnt that bad. I am with you on this. The article is conjecture - look at it this way...If the Bills draft a QB in Rounds 1 or 2, did Whaley lose the supposed argument at QB? That would indicate to me that he won - since Taylor will obviously be supplanted within a year or two. Does anybody actually believe that a former D-Coordinator now has the keys to the castle at OBD? That would be insane.

If there is a willing dance partner, sure! Guessing there is a lot of competition to move back this year - so it will be easier said than done. Would only advise against it if they feel like a star player from their evaluation is there at 10 - then just stay put.

how is this thread not dead? its really not dead? how?? this is right up towards the top of all time stupidest threads...i try not throw that out there lightly. why wont it die???

sooooo....all the guys we didnt make the playoffs with are going to be the reason we dont make the playoffs?

i cannot argue that - Sammy has done nothing to really prove otherwise. The hope is he gets over this hurdle similar to Julio Jones early in his career - and breaks out. actually, to take your point further. by drafting a WR early - if he pans out, perhaps you can let Sammy go after his rookie contract regardless of how he plays, and ride out the cheap rookie contract of your other WR. (unless of course sammy posts a 100 reception, 1500 yd year with 10 tds...just not sure that can happen with our offense)

I don't disagree that drafting a WR is a good idea - I just don't think it should happen in rounds 1 or 2. The Bills are going to be a heavy run first team; and my gut tells me this marginalizes the #2WR position in this offense. I would like to see CB in RD 1, S in RD 2 - and then best available after that regardless of position. Depth is needed across the board. Candidly - I mix beer and football - so my recollection of Seymour is cloudy at best. I recall some glaringly bad plays (he is a rookie after all...) - but was there anything in his play anyone recalls as to give a glimmer of hope for the future?

fun question... just feels like hooker or adams could change the face of our D completely.... corey davis seems nice, but we are going to be a run first team again, and a #2 WR i dont think is as valuable on our team as it would on another. i go hooker

you can put his play in any context you want. it is possible to spin stats in any direction you please. however,the facts all remain the same: 1. He cannot throw an accurate 10-15 yard out pattern. They float - and sail out of bounds more than they should. Which leads to... 2. He is a low velocity thrower - he will never be strong at throwing receivers open. He can float a nice deep ball - but dont confuse that with arm strength. 3. His pocket presence is below average. His sack rate is high because of this - not because he scrambles so much. Watch the tape and watch where he steps in the pocket when under duress. He chooses to step up, left or right incorrectly very very often. Tyrod is fine. That is all. His stat line last year will be his stat line every year so long as he plays in a safe, run first offense where the defense stacks the box. Anytime he faces a pass protect D...he struggles. Why else would Tyrod agree to the contract restructure he did if anyone in the league saw him as something better than his stat suggested? If there were better offers coming, he would have forced the Bills to cut him or take his contract as is (locking him in for 3 years, not 2). Tyrod is fine...so we all better hope we have a Top 5 D in the next year or two...or 8-8 will be the average.

I like watching tyrod play - he does some exciting things. but there are concerns with his game for sure. one thing that really gets me when watching him is his pocket presence. he simply never steps up into the correct spot to avoid trouble. i get that some people will argue against this simply because he makes great runs...but that does not equal good footwork in the pocket. and tyrod is sorely lacking in that department. it is a big reason why he leaves plays on the field IMO

his throwing velocity is mediocre. Throwing a nice touch deep ball does preclude one to have excellent arm strength. Tyrod cannot throw it on a rope so to speak.

i dont know gunnerbill. his last year in SF they had a losing record - but to ignore his previous 7 seasons with them where they had success seems short sided. he had 2 years in philly - his last year they had a losing record, and he only played half the season. so they kicked him to the curb for the last half, didnt seem to help much. in fact, they had a winning record until they told him to go away. dallas, they had a winning record in his last season there. if that is their rationale, then they are not evaluating the whole picture. they are being lazy journalists and using headlines to frame their narrative.

You know; for all the talk about him being a bad teammate and having a negative influence on his teams....his teams sure did have some nice W-L records while he played for them...and that super bowl performance while injured was a thing of beauty.

Aikman was fine...but not top 15 or 25. He could not win a game with his arm alone. He was very good with a very great cast

I'm sorry. I just won't eat Beek on weck. I won't do it.

LMAO I don't know...look at Julios first few years in the league. I live in cleveland...and I recall fans here thinking they robbed the Falcons blind based on his health and production. With that said...julio is a stud. I get your sentiment

No...they have a foundation of talent they are going to build off of. This thread is ridiculous. I listened to the show...and schopp and the bulldog were talking in hypotheticals ... as in, what are the bills goals if tyrod gets cut. It was a measured conversation. Whaleys comments were surface level GM speak. Man...some people just can't read tone or cadence. They hear words and derive meaning to fit their already established narratives. Everybody move along. Nothing to see here. I get that you personally were joking by the way. I get fired up by the goofiness sometimes.

great topic. great topic. Dont mean to pick on you specifically, since others have tyrod going to denver as well... just feel the tyrod to denver narrative is thin now. they used a first round pick last year on a QB - and they are relatively pleased with siemians play. i sincerely believe denver is not in the qb market any longer. Browns - Trubinsky (with their second 1st round pick) SF - Tyrod (I had to send him somewhere...he is starting somewhere in the NFL next year...but it won't be for the Bill do to reasons stated below) Jets- Romo (he has pull in where he gets traded - and i think he will like the weapons and the idea of the NY market) Denver - Siemian (possibly Lynch if he progresses nicely this offseason) Chicago - ugh. IDK...Cutler (only because I like him and think he is underrated. my gut tells me the Bears will move on based on fan pressure...) Bills - Watson (we will overreach for him the 1st round and play him immediately...we cut TT in order to keep (franchise) Gilmore and sign a mid tier FA safety) Houston - Brock...(they are stuck for one more year with him...his dead money and cap savings for 2017 is a nightmare) For the record...Kizer slips out of 1st

no it is not. it is that simple. it is a form of intelligence, but there are multiple forms of intelligence. one's ability to speak in front of a group, or on radio, or tv, does not adequately measure one's depth or intelligence. you might as well say all new anchors are geniuses. christ, we know that's not true.

sorry

it means nothing. i imagine he has a extremely high IQ to build what he built. i work with lot's of business owners, and some of them just don't feel comfortable in a room or having an audience larger than 5 people. public speaking and intelligence have no correlation. i have met some great public speakers that are nothing more than mouth pieces with little depth or substance.