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Please. Two undrafteds and a 4th round rookie get hurt and we're in trouble at the position? Evans is established, Johnson is young, hungry, and talented (and appears to be establishing himself as the #2), Roscoe can certainly play the slot. Are you telling me that between Hardy and the rest of the crackerjacks we have at the position we can't fill out the roster at WR? Let Evans, Johnson, and Roscoe get the majority of the PT and let Hardy compete. We've got far more holes to fill than WR2, not even counting QB and LT. Have you looked at our defense? Or our pass rush specifically??

Watching the game on DVR right now. Moats does look really bad, honestly. First game, maybe, but not goo. Same for Woods and Reggie Corner. Aaron Maybin also looks completely outmatched (shocker, I know). I didn't know our defense was this bad. Maybe it'll come together when our starters are in there...I dunno. This doesn't look good. We still don't have a pass rush and Greg Ellis seems far too slow to play LB, and yet again we're taking stupid penalties. Sorry, this post is all over the place, I know.

You mean the "verbal beatdown" in that last thread where you exposed yourself as an idiot and were called as much by other posters? Oh yeah, still sore as hell from that one. I have to give you credit. Your arguments are all over the map yet you have no qualms arguing your points - no matter how wrong, illogical, or insane they may be - to the nth degree. You say "Building through the draft when you resign your star players and supplement them with quality free agents IS a great way to build a team" which, by all accounts, is not what the OP is saying at all. In fact, that statement I think we all agree with. But it directly contradicts (no surprise there, considering your history here) what the OP is trying to say. And I'm not sure I should even address this, but "judge a post by the messenger?" I've never confronted CT on one of his posts before, so that doesn't really apply. But generally you are on the wrong side of an issue (or at a minimum the wrong side of logic), so it's a pretty fair assessment to say that if you agree, maybe one should re-examine their point of view. That's where you lost me. Aside from Maybin, I think we had a great draft last year. Wood, Levitre, Byrd, and Nelson were all great picks IMO. The problem is, we needed to hit on Maybin and we missed. Big. a) That's not true, although people here love to say it. The 2007, outside of Meriweather, was a horrible draft for them. 2008 treated them pretty well with Jerod Mayo, two potential starting CB's, and special teams star Matt Slater in the 7th. 2009 they got a starting LT at the end of the second round along with some potential ballers like Pat Chung, Darius Butler, and Ron Brace. They even got firebug Julian Edelman in the 7th. b) I think you proved yourself wrong. The Patriots haven't had those amazing drafts like 2005 when they hit on Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kazcur, James Sanders, and Matt Cassell in the 7th, but they have also been on the decline not winning a Super Bowl in six years. Coincidence?

Wah wahhhh. Doesn't change the fact that you come off as not just bitter in this post, but moronic for thinking you can build a an NFL franchise purely through free agency. Let me know how that works out. You still haven't refuted any of the posters I mentioned and you haven't named one successful franchise that's done it poorly. Would you like me to show you how wrong you are or have the aforementioned posters handed you your ass enough for one day??

Pick a response: a) Because of Trent Edwards? That's stupid. b) Yeah, that John Elway guy really sucked. Either one works for me.

I've read that before. How are they similar? Wasn't Snead supposed to be a first round pick and tanked his last season and went undrafted? Don't you think that once LT is addressed (presumably in next year's draft, hopefully high) we'll have a pretty solid OL? The interior is solid, and you have to think ONE of those guys we signed/drafted will become a serviceable RT.

I hear Mallett is a Derek Anderson-clone. Blech. Heard good things about Ponder, but never heard much of those other guys. Certainly wouldn't seem like first round material...especially where we're going to pick. Perhaps. Let's see what happens with the CBA first. Could be comparable to MLB in terms of a rookie scale. But I suppose his $300,000 contract with the Angels can't compare to a top-3 contract in the NFL, irrespective of the new CBA.

I'm sorry, but this is a really stupid thread. You build through the draft and supplement through free agency. Your points are all conjecture while TheBandit27, SJBF, and Thurman#1 bring up legitimate counterpoints that shoot down your notion of building through free agency (ask Daniel Snyder how that's been working). When PDaddy is your only ally, you should know you're in trouble.

Since it seems pretty likely a) we don't have our franchise QB on our roster at the moment and b) we should have a pretty high draft pick, can anybody who regularly watches college football shed some light on the top QB prospects for next year?

Clever guy...

I disagree. I've seen what it's done to the fans here in Boston. The majority of them are intolerable.

Honestly, can you blame him? Making a few million each year holding a clipboard in sunny San Diego, California while preserving your body for life after football?? Sign me up.

Here we go again. First, there are very few Brohm 'fans.' Most of the lemmings are just people desperate for good QB play and sick of what we have seen so far. Brohm has shown *nothing* in the NFL to warrant any fans. Second, again, you say he's "coming along nicely" as if that statement has any merit and you've been watching him progress through his first few years in the league or even his last eight months with the team. Since neither are true I can only assume you've been taking the Chan Gailey soundbites like so many others and stretching them out further than they were meant for. Brett Favre didn't flame out in Atlanta. It's not like GB demanded a 2nd round pick for Brohm; we got him for the league minimum (or close to it) giving up nothing in compensation. Apples and oranges. Give me a break, Senator. Talk about reaching. They "screwed up"? As if Ted Thompson can't sleep anymore because of the one he let get away. They "clearly wanted him"...as the #3 QB behind 7th rounder Flynn. Stop attaching false hopes to him due to a three year old college scouting report. ...and yet this amazing talent can't get to the top of the wretched refuse pile. What does that say about him? Consider context all you want, but it's not like Kurt Warner being unable to get in front of Favre, Hasselbeck, and Detmer in Green Bay. Aside from Rodgers, Brohm's competition has been Matt Flynn, Fitz, and Edwards; hardly HoF caliber QB's. He's not a bust yet, but he's certainly on his way, and if he can't climb to the top of the scrapheap this year his career is pretty close to being over.

Yeah, except we finished well in those years too. Methinks that might be part of the equation as well.

Yeah, that worked so well in 2008...

Thanks for the report. To be honest though, you lost a little credibility with this comment. I hate fantasy football more than Osama, but even if Chad Jackson makes the squad - an iffy prospect - he has no business on any fantasy rosters.

Fixed.

Jesus Christ, get over it. This attitude is breeding a massive inferiority complex. The only way to stop the talk is to put together a solid football program. Until then, sit back and accept that, as much as you might not like it, they're right.

Too bad the wunderkind McDaniels wasted the #12 overall pick on a RB. Don't forget too, years before Denver murdered Washington getting C. Bailey AND a second-round pick for Clinton Portis.

Yes, and yet my comment that he's "done more than Brohm" remains true. Funny how that works. I wasn't propping them up, I was showing you his only NFL experience when you asked how he had done more in this league than Brohm. I didn't say he was accomplished, just more accomplished than Brohm, who has shown literally nothing in this league in preseason and the regular season. I don't hate Brohm, I just find the lemmings funny when they attach themselves to him after performing so badly given the chances and he can't seem to climb on top of the pile of **** we currently have at QB. And I bash Flynn because the reports I've heard about him (sorry, I don't watch GB preseason games to scout him) are that he has performed poorly and GB would be in serious trouble with him at the helm, so as much as "GB likes him," if Brohm had performed there - and check his stats, he didn't - he'd be the #2 there. He was certainly given the opportunity to. And Todd Collins has proven himself to be a very solid backup in this league, with his current team no less. Are you really trying to argue otherwise? Were you alive in 2008? Then watch a game for Christ sake. I wouldn't have made the suggestion if I hadn't. Sure, preseason doesn't mean as much as the regular season, but at least it's against professional talent in a professional system; it means a hell of a lot more than college (and is sure as **** more relevant than his "projected draft status" Mel Kiper). Find it puzzling all you want. I've watched them both play and only one has impressed me at this level in any respect. Not saying Colt is the savior, but saying he'd be worth a low-risk gamble. He's not a "flavor of the week," or "some scrub off the street," but a guy who came in his rookie year and threw three TD's in the preseason with no picks. That alone doesn't mean anything, but if you watch him, you know he's got the confidence and he's got the arm. Can you say that for any of our four QB's?

What? That was Jarron Gilbert...

From Wiki: Brennan appeared in his first NFL exhibition game in the 2008 Hall of Fame Game against the Indianapolis Colts on August 3. He was impressive in his debut completing 9-of-10 passes for 123 yards and 2 touchdowns for a 157.5 passer rating in the Redskins' victory.[20] His success continued two weeks later against the New York Jets when he completed 4-of-5 passes for 79 yards and scored the game winning touchdown on a 33-yard pass to Jason Goode.[21] Brennan led all 2008 NFL rookies in touchdown passes, passing yards and quarterback rating through the preseason .[22] He finished the 2008 preseason with a strong performance, going 36-for-53, for 411 yards and three touchdowns and with no interceptions. For the preseason, Brennan's completion percentage was 67.9% and his quarterback rating was 109.9. He also carried the ball twice for 11 yards. From NFL.com: 2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost 0 08/03 IND W 30-16 1 0 9 10 90.0 123 12.3 2 0 1 1 157.5 -- -- -- -- -- -- 1 08/09 BUF W 17-14 1 0 4 8 50.0 37 4.6 0 0 1 9 63.0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 08/16 @ NYJ W 13-10 1 0 4 5 80.0 79 15.8 1 0 2 15 158.3 -- -- -- -- -- -- 3 08/23 @ CAR L 3-47 1 0 6 12 50.0 53 4.4 0 0 0 0 62.2 -- -- -- -- -- -- 4 08/28 JAC L 3-24 1 0 13 18 72.2 119 6.6 0 0 4 21 89.8 2 11 5.5 0 1 0 TOTAL 5 0 36 53 67.9 411 7.8 3 0 8 46 109.9 2 11 5.5 0 1 0 2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost 1 08/13 @ BAL L 0-23 1 0 4 12 33.3 43 3.6 0 1 3 11 10.1 3 13 4.3 0 -- -- 2 08/22 PIT W 17-13 1 0 3 5 60.0 42 8.4 0 1 0 0 47.5 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- -- 3 08/28 NE L 24-27 1 0 6 12 50.0 81 6.8 1 1 4 22 64.9 1 2 2.0 0 -- -- 4 09/03 @ JAC L 17-24 1 0 10 14 71.4 83 5.9 0 0 0 0 86.3 -- -- -- -- -- -- TOTAL 4 0 23 43 53.5 249 5.8 1 3 7 33 49.5 6 13 2.2 0 0 0 Brohm, from NFL.com: 2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost 1 08/15 CLE W 17-0 1 0 3 10 30.0 18 1.8 0 2 1 3 0.0 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- -- 2 08/22 BUF W 31-21 1 0 12 19 63.2 83 4.4 0 1 0 0 51.0 2 4 2.0 0 -- -- 3 08/28 @ ARI W 44-37 1 0 4 5 80.0 45 9.0 0 0 2 18 104.2 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- -- 4 09/03 @ TEN L 13-27 1 0 20 28 71.4 154 5.5 0 0 2 8 84.5 1 5 5.0 0 -- -- TOTAL 4 0 39 62 62.9 300 4.8 0 3 5 29 54.5 6 6 1.0 0 0 0 2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost 1 08/11 CIN L 17-20 1 0 8 17 47.1 70 4.1 0 1 0 0 33.9 -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 08/16 @ SF L 6-34 1 0 4 9 44.4 33 3.7 0 0 0 0 54.4 2 1 0.5 0 1 1 3 08/22 @ DEN W 27-24 1 0 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 39.6 -- -- -- -- -- -- 4 08/28 TEN L 21-23 1 0 7 12 58.3 52 4.3 0 0 4 33 68.8 1 0 0.0 0 3 1 TOTAL 4 0 19 42 45.2 155 3.7 0 1 4 33 45.2 3 1 0.3 0 4 2 16 12/27 @ ATL L 3-31 1 1 17 29 58.6 146 5.0 0 2 2 8 43.2 -- -- -- -- -- -- Each has played in nine games (all but one in the preseason). Through nine games, Brohm has, you guessed it, zero touchdowns to go along with six picks. Brennan has four TD's with only three picks. If you can't see the difference there, then I can't help you. If you actually watched any of the games these two have played, you'd notice the difference as well. Also, Brennan was unable to beat out Jason Campbell and Todd Collins (a solid veteran), and had no chance at unseating future HoF'er McNabb especially after getting hurt; Brohm got beat out by Matt Flynn (who, contrary to popular opinion around here, really isn't very good), and can't climb our pathetic depth chart. Please also tell me, oh great one, what the hell the player's pre-draft status several years ago has to do with their abilities now.

Colt Brennan is 25 and is two years removed from the draft. He's somebody I liked coming out of college and liked even more when he dominated in the HoF game (albeit against backups). He's shown more in his career than Brian Brohm and is still very young. How is he a "flavor of the week"? This isn't a patch until we can draft, this is someone I would pursue as a long-term answer at the position.

I don't know, but I do know that they had interest for some time in obtaining Beck. I'd prefer Brennan to groom as a starter since McNabb only has a few good years left and Collins certainly isn't the future. I wouldn't trust Beck with my high school team.

Now come on. When was the last time I advocated bringing in a cast-off QB? I've liked Brennan since his HoF game debut vs. Indy. Give me some credit. I might be a sonofabitch but I'm not one of the lemmings. Brennan was a monster at Hawaii, putting up insane numbers. He comes in, plays well in sparse preseason duties (faring much better than Brian Brohm, I might add), fights through hip surgery, and becomes the odd man out with McNabb/Collins/Beck in Washington.