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The Bills say they grew their season ticket base to 63,767 in 2023. That's the most ever for the organization. The team projects that number to grow to 64,000 for the 2024 season. https://www.wkbw.com/sports/buffalo-bills/heres-how-buffalo-bills-season-ticket-prices-are-changing-for-the-2024-season

#1 - what happens to the STH who keeps his seats for the full 30 years of the PSL's life. what is the PSL worth to them after 30 years. i'd say zero ? maybe the right to purchase the next PSL for stadium renovations ? #2- what happens to the STH who sells after 20 years ? doesn't the new owner only transfer over the remaining 10 years. what's that worth ? probably less than the original initial fee #3- what happens to the STH who sells in 10 years ? if you look at the history of the browns and jets....it's for less than they initially paid.

"season-ticket ACCOUNT HOLDERS".......safe to assume most account holders have at least two tix, some more. i myself have 6 tix

Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats. https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-personal-seat-license-ryan-ohalloran-column/article_0fdb8c78-edc3-11ee-8861-b3348dac0c5b.html (of the 25% who didn't agree to new club level seats immediately on first offer....i bet more than half of them get seats in a less expensive area on their second chance meeting. so that initial 75% will likely go to 85-90%)

that scalper crackdown announcement like the Sabres, won't happen until the Bills have all the PSL money in their pocket

FALSE ALARM.....APOLOGIES.....my friend is confused....his "experience" today is just the normal STH RELOCATION process from current stadium.

friend of mine who sits in LOWER BOWL goes for his experience tomorrow (tues) 1965 seniority, 50 yard line should have some good info in 24 hours P.S. of the 25% who didn't agree to new club level seats immediately on first offer....i bet more than half of them get seats in a less expensive area on their second chance meeting. so that initial 75% will likely go to 85-90%

can you post it in a pdf file ?..ty

all the 2023 different levels of pricing by section/area https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/upload/v1676471808/bills/e7wdwwstbcqf3p4xru8v.jpg assuming they are taking each different class/price one by one. starting with the highest price. then going by seniority within that group.

Outcry over Bills' personal seat license rollout misguided ?? Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats. As soon as this summer, season-ticket holders who currently have lower-bowl seats around midfield will be contacted. The PSL process will continue through the summer of 2026 https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-personal-seat-license-ryan-ohalloran-column/article_0fdb8c78-edc3-11ee-8861-b3348dac0c5b.html

the closest thing to your idea is tested constantly in the NBA & NHL.....it's called the draft lottery....and it's a disaster. see the buffalo sabres losing out on drafting connor mcdavid as a prime example. PLAYERS & COACHES will NEVER lose on purpose...please sight one example in the NFL. now, i concede that a GM & OWNER can hinder a teams success by not spending to the cap max or upgrading the roster as best they can in hopes of improving their draft spot for maybe one season. but even then, you will never get players and coaches to play along and lose on purpose (see the NY JETS). their future livelihoods are at stake. the colts and andrew luck is the last best example of this by a GM & OWNER not trying their best. it just doesnt happen often enough to completely change the system. take the rams, one year they win super bowl, the next year they miss the playoffs....coached the same. PARITY is good. the current draft format is one of many ways the NFL achieves parity. a semi-hard Salary cap. free agency. roster size. the schedule where 1st place teams play each other, so one must lose, while 4th place teams play each other, so one must win. last to first place stories happen more in the NFL than the rest of the major sports combined. nobody is losing on purpose. badly managed teams get GM's & Coaches fired pretty quick. besides, somebody could game your system too if they wanted. whats better, being the last team in the playoffs and losing first game or being the first team out of playoffs and getting the first pick ?......getting the first pick will almost always be better.....therefore the potential for losing on purpose still exists.

this is my current understanding. i have not met with the bills yet to confirm any of these answers If a the PSL is purchased and financed over a 10 year period, and the buyer defaults, dies, changes their mind, etc. (IF YOU FAIL TO PURCHASE TIX, YOU LOSE THE PSL. the bills can resell it. you must sell your PSL before deciding to stop buying tix) Is that PSL re-sold at original cost or is it sold for the balance owed? ( YOU LIST IT ON A SPECIFIC AFTER MARKET FOR PSL's TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. could be higher, guessing likely lower) If the PSL is paid in full, but the owner elects not to renew season tickets, what then? (YOU FORFEIT THE PSL. best to sell the PSL before not renewing) Does the PSL owner still retain ‘ownership’ of those seats but the Bills can sell tickets for them? (NO, ownership reverts back to bills. you of course can sell individual games on the NFL TICKETEXCHANGE....but expect a crackdown on selling most like that. see the letter the SABRES sent to season ticket holders who sell half or more. they must buy a NY state Broker license for about $5,000) Can owners of PSLs sell them privately or do they have to go back to the Bills? (YOU SELL THEM PRIVATELY ON A PSL MARKET PLACE) guessing there will be a way to sell them directly to a friend or family member bypassing the PSL marketplace.

WBEN has learned from highly informed sources that the early season ticket retention rate thus far is in the 75% range. Poloncarz believe the Bills are testing the PSL market with the higher end seating and expects they will adjust the costs for the remaining PSL's, based on that outcome. The county executive believes the costs should be known for all up front. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/saying-it-s-all-about-money-poloncarz-launches-blistering-attack-on-buffalo-bills-psl-process/ar-BB1kMaIv?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f275bddc381840e6be2f359f3d788277&ei=10

so, back to the personal store license (PSL) required, in order to buy these tomatoes

imo.....in order to save face....it's highly likely "some" PSL's will be $1,000

Bills' potential PSL prices for new stadium range from $500 to $16,500 " Pegula Sports & Entertainment Exec VP Ron Raccuia said that the Bills "will most likely have the lowest personal seat license prices of any team with a new stadium" built since '09 and are "making an effort to keep prices market-friendly" (BUFFALO NEWS, 5/12). https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/05/12/Franchises/Bills.aspx

normally i would say more likely to move up in first......but losing that 3rd round comp pick threw a wrench in beane's plan. currently bills pick #28th. if we used our 2nd round pick (which is highly UNlikely) we could move up 11 spots, all the way to #17 (jax). if we used a 4th round pick....you can move up 2 spots in the first (not much, but possible). a 3rd would have moved up 5 spots. there is so much value in a 2nd round pick (talent/cap hit)...i cant see beane giving that away....if he did it would only be for a WR1 (preparing for life after diggs). this year id say beane tries to use both his 4th's to move up in each of 1st & 2nd (BPA - WR1, EDGE, OL).....but stays at #28

What happens to the PSL after 30 years ? is it worth zero ? will they start a new PSL for renovations ? i know the PSL has a life limit of 30 years which lines up with the bills new stadium lease for 30 years. in an over simplification.....if you paid $30,000 for your PSL isnt it depreciating by $1,000 a year, so that after 20 years you go to sell it, there is only 10 years left on the PSL.....so might the approximate value be $10,000 for the remaining 10 years ? it's possible they appreciate, but i would think not in our market.

initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of that "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years) NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million (of which Pegula's portion is $350 million) Erie County Contribution $250 million SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion (initial est) Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising. Projected to raise $200 million thru PSL's so, if you factor in cost over runs....i say he will contribute $750 - $800 million or 35- 40%

from everything i've read.... there is no "set" amount they have stated publicly a target of $200 mil thru PSL's there is no "cap" ....they are free to raise as much as they can

how about a real estate analogy (i'm sure this has already been made) price of the home = PSL one time fee (price varies per location) all the taxes = price of the yearly ticket (price varies per location) if you dont pay your yearly taxes, you may lose the house to foreclosure before you sell it squatter = someone is sitting in your seat....lol

beane likes to trade up that's why he's so mad about losing that 3rd round comp.....he wanted to use it, now he's gotta use his 2nd, which is not ideal

no.....we don't need drama

i edited my post.....Pegula's portion of the "NFL & Bills" $550 mil is $350 mil

initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years) NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million (Pegula's portion is $350 million) Erie County Contribution $250 million SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising. Projected to raise $200 million in PSL's so, if you factor in cost over runs....i say he will contribute $800 million or 40%