Billsrhody

Well at least you wont have to worry about the bills spending another high pick on a RB for the next 6 or 7 years.

good to know the real facts

His college # was 9

Woah.. Bobby Engram hate?? he had 650 career receptions and 7700 yds! come on man!

So you aren't disappointed, I hope that Floyd comes off the board before the bills pick. Its time to start thinking about Marcus Easley again!

I like spiller. I think he's proven himself to be a valuable offensive weapon and I expect him to make a real difference in the team's success this year. The bills have a great situation at RB because of Spiller and that allows them to focus on other needs. If Fred was the only reliable RB on the roster, we would have no depth and would toast he if got injured. Spiller will continue to grow and develop and will eventually be a premier RB in the league.

Kuechly is actually very fast as a linebacker. He was 3rd at the combine this year with a 4.58. For comparison, Rob Grownkowski ran a 4.68 at the combine.

Woo hoo! I was worried the bills weren't interested in him at all.. I'm glad they're doing their due diligence. Now I trust them to make the right pick (Speaking about Kuechly)

I realize that my post may have come off as having a negative viewpoint on Hill, which wasn't really my intention. I agree that Hill does have some pro's over Thomas, but we cant ignore the con's either. I just took the heights and weights off of espn so your #s are probably more accurate. Either way, Thomas is more solidly built and Hill is more of a "skinny" guy. I wonder if there have been any successful NFL wideouts that have had very limited college production?

WOW. This guys is almost definitely... a good dancer.

Tough to be a vikings fan right now..

Demaryius Thomas: (6'3", 235 lbs) 2007: 35 rec, 558 yds, 3 tds 2008: 39 rec, 627 yds, 3 tds 2009: 46 rec, 1154 yds, 8 tds 40 Time: 4.50 Stephen Hill: (6'5", 206 lbs) 2011: 28 rec, 820 yds, 5 tds 40 Time: 4.36 Thomas definitely has more production for more years and is less of a beanpole. Stephen hill is faster (Thomas didn't do many drills at the combine so this was the only real comparison). If they didnt both go to GT, would even be comparing them? I agree there is something to the fact that they played in the same college system, but that does not mean they are the same kind of player.

I seriously have no idea... I've been a big Kuechly proponent on this board but for some reason it doesnt feel right (even though I do think he should be the pick). If I had to bet I'd put my money on Cordy Glenn.

Imagine if we had just drafted Orakpo like EVERYONE thought we would and expected? This draft would be an A++ and by far the best in recent memory. That still irks me... Orakpo is a beast!

The issue is that you have to rank players at their position and then against other positions based on their weighted importance. Lets use a Ray Lewis example so we can see how highly you rate QBs opposed to ILB. If you could draft Ray Lewis where would you draw the line in this list of Quarterbacks? (Slot him in just behind the last guy you draft before him). Assume this draft would be for only 1 season (so age doesnt play a factor): Rodgers Brady Manning Brees P Manning E Manning Roethlisberger Stafford Rivers Romo Schaub Vick Ryan Cutler Newton Flacco Dalton Freeman Fitzpatrick Smith Sanchez Moore Hasselbeck Palmer Skelton Cassel Jackson Mccoy Ponder Gabbert Grossman

I'm interested to hear where Ray Lewis would fall on your tier system.

haha thanks for the suggestion.. you get the assist on this thread

I'm was very surprised to see you give the edge to Fitz in Game management. In my opinion, that is Brady's biggest strength. Its easy to look at the 2 comeback wins Fitz had last year, but what about the superbowls that Brady has won? He is one of the most clutch QBs in the history of the league.

I posted this in another thread but someone suggested making it a topic... what say you? Lets assume Kuechly, Floyd and Martin all turn out to be great picks and have fantastic NFL careers. For sake of argument, pick one: Patrick Willis Larry Fitzgerald Jake Long Who would you pick and why? I'll take Patrick Willis because I don't think you need to have a stud wideout to win a Superbowl. If you have a good enough quarterback then he'll make your WRs better. Having a Jake Long type would be great I have to admit. Taking a stud LT is hard to pass up, but I like having a leader on defense who can make all the plays.

Lets assume Kuechly, Floyd and Martin all turn out to be great picks and have fantastic NFL careers. For sake of argument, pick one: Patrick Willis Larry Fitzgerald Jake Long Who would you pick and why? I'll take Patrick Willis because I don't think you need to have a stud wideout to win a superbowl. If you have a good enough quarterback then he'll make your WRs better. Having a Jake Long type would be great I have to admit. Taking a stud LT is hard to pass up, but I like having a leader on defense who can make all the plays.

1) I just meant that its a subjective statement and could easily be used to argue either side. 2) So in your opinion, no quarterback could be successful on the bills right now? Thats a fair stance I just tend to think otherwise. Maybe Fitz does get hit more (or harder) than Brady currently does, but that doesn't excuse him from all the mistakes he made last year. There is no way Brady throws as many picks as Fitz does if they're placed in the same system. To your point about Brady falling down. As much as I hate him when he does it, it is probably the right play. How many times have you seen Fitz take a shot and throw one up for grabs? I can think of several examples off the top of my head. At least Brady wont turn the ball over as much. Either way I see where you are coming from and to some extent I agree that Fitz is not the only problem. However, I'm not sure I believe the Bills can win a superbowl with him either. So are you hoping for an offensive lineman in the first round of the draft?

Last year in the regular season Brady was sacked 32 times, Fitz was sacked 22 times. You can say that Fitz was forced to throw earlier, but you could easily same the same about Brady. I tried to find stats for pressures and hits but couldnt find anything, so sacks are all we have to go by. I'm a little confused though. If you think Brady is better than Fitz at essentially everything, then how does that not lead to more wins? In your opinion, how many wins would the bills have had if Brady was their starting QB?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8283fb80/article/quinton-coples-has-high-bust-potential-mike-mayock-says?module=HP11_hot_topics First couple minutes features Mayock on Kuechly if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the info.. I didnt know much about him. With that said, I think I would stay away from a guy like this. I do think we have a very strong locker room right now. We have vocal leaders like Fitz and good-natured fun guys like Stevie and Dareus. Maybe having strong leadership would benefit this kid a lot and allow him to turn his life around? I'm just not sure thats possible.. he seems like a classic screw up.

Good stuff guys I think you both bring up some good points. I must say that I side with NoSaint on this one though. I just watched the first couple minutes of your video Kelly and it seemed like 75% of the throws were out of Brady's hand in the first 2 or 3 seconds. And being that they were all TD's, they were all very accurate as well. The way I see it, Brady is superior to Fitz in every facet of the game. Accuracy, Game Management, Pocket Presence, Deep Throws, etc. Do you agree with that? If so, I dont see how the Bills are less than a 10 win team with him under center.