Magox

Sweden is doing really well relative to all the predictions that were being made from the media.. Sort of reminds me of the scary predictions from the media regarding Florida and all the other states that were “slow” or never enacted their stay-at-home orders. I am happy that it appears that they were wrong. Data and reasoning is winning over fear.

It will be well below 1%

I think there are important lessons that can be learned from the SWEDEN experiment.

They don't even know it..... They are unwittingly help reelect Trump.

I early on said the mortality rates would be in between .25 to .5% when everywhere i was reading was saying between 2-4%. - Evidence is beginning to suggest this is the case. I also said early on that when the media and lots of other people said that Florida and the rest of the other non stay-at-home states was going to get hit really bad because they didn't do the stay-at-home orders was not going to end up being the case. Evidence is suggesting this to be the case. I also said that the ventilator shortages that the media and some of the governors would never come about. Evidence has proven this to be the case. I'm also going to say that the supposed testing issues is a red herring and is being promoted by governors who are deathly afraid to make the decision to gradually open up their economies and are going on the record as this being an issue so that if there does end up being any outbreaks, it will be used against the Federal Government. Testing is just a component of a broader mosaic to help mitigate future outbreaks. It's nowhere near the end-all-be-all that the governors/partisans politicians and media are making it out to be, as Dr. Fauci has said on a number of times. We'll see whether or not this last one ends up being the case.

I recently returned to PPP after about a 12 month hiatus. I was still frequenting TBD on the football side and I saw this guy JRober's football posts and thought to myself "Man, this guy has some of the worst football takes" I see that he is universally consistent on all topics with his takes.

I bet the mortality rate is nowhere near 1-3%

I don't blame the protesters at all. Unlike the ***** cap wearing protesters of the Women's march who protested that their "women's rights" were being taken away, (which they weren't), you have protesters who ACTUALLY ARE PROTESTING SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING. Which is that their jobs, freedoms and livelihoods are being taken away. Most of these protesters I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of them come from areas where there are low infection and death rates and that they traveled to the capital to protest. These people believe there is an overreach and they are exercising their 1st amendment rights. Yeah, many of them are not following social distancing practices but many are. And I have put a lot of thought into this, when people go to the grocery stores, Walmart, dollar stores etc, they aren't following social distancing guidelines either. I get it, they are going there for groceries which is an essential need. But, we are talking about one protest by these group of citizens who are protesting things that are affecting their lives in a major way. So if they are willing to take the risk on this day, then I support it 100%.

That CBS reporter was grandstanding. Very inappropriate.

I dispute that interpretation of the polls. The way the polls are worded on the surface seem to suggest that but they really don’t Here is how they are worded: What worries you more, that the U.S will move too quickly in loosening the restrictions or take too long? That is a false choice. That is either a black or white option. Of course most people will say that they don’t want to open it up “too soon”. Key word “too” . Too soon implies lots of immediate negative connotations to it. If the poll just added a little bit of nuance to it such as: Which do you prefer,? That the US opens up parts of the economy immediately, or wait until your state and local governments determine its safe to open up parts of the economy or wait until after there is an effective cure/vaccine to open up parts of the economy? That would be a much more informative and substantive poll question than providing a false dichotomy. and I bet you the first two options would be higher than the last one. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/more-americans-fear-lifting-coronavirus-restrictions-too-soon-wsj-nbc-poll-says-11587301203 Those positions with each and passing day will continue to move in the direction of normalcy.

You're familiar with the term soft racism, right? Aside from the opinion evening shows I saw the media pre 2016 as actively engaging in a soft media bias. Where they weren’t overtly advocating a position but they still engaged in a form of bias in the way they question/grilled conservative lawmakers markedly different than Democratic Lawmakers AND in the stories they decided to run with which would be more sympathetic to left leaners as opposed to right leaners. That soft form of media bias has been absolutely obliterated in the age of Trump. They believe they have a license now to advocate because they honestly believe they have the moral high ground. And now that they believe they have the moral imperative to openly advocate for positions it creates a circle-jerk of sorts because each journo wants to out do the next left wing journo in who can get Trump with a gotcha clickbait headline and to make a twitter name for themselves. Which the rush to try to play these gotcha games deludes not only the quality but the accuracy of their stories. By extension they now engage in the same sort of journalistic malpractice with other conservatives as well. Journalism is an institution that is profoundly broken.

I profoundly hate the media

When you strip out the emotion and go straight to the facts and reasoning, typically the arguments on the right are more sound than those from the left. That is especially so on this board. The righties dominate over here.

That was really something else. It goes back with my discussion with @TPS Context matters. The criticism against Trump for the most part are the things he said. But when you boil it down to the actions they were solid. Especially the China decision. Also FEMA has been a very competent force along with Pence’s coordination with the governors. Despite all the teeth gnashing from governors and the media about Ventilators and hospital beds, it never truly became an issue.

I think your posts pretty much sums up my frustration over the past couple days. I like to think of myself as a somewhat reasonable person, but These social shaming attempts from people, the media and politicians are beginning to reach a boiling point And if I’m beginning to feel that way then I’m pretty damn sure there are many others as well. I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people. The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

Yeah, I thought it was bad. People on the left will always hate him, people on the right will always love it. People kind of in the middle can go either way. Today wasn't a good day. I'm thinking the call from the Democrats yesterday on the conference call with Pence and the other criticism along with that Haberman article got him pretty pissed off. It's not a game changer or anything like that, just not a good look.

That was probably his worst presser yet.

Clearly Trump woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Wasn't a good look the first 20 minutes. The point with Dr. Birx was telling, many of us here already knew it but it is important for the public to see it in a chart. On a side note, there was a small random sampling of an antibody test in Massachusetts that showed close to 1/3 of the people who had contracted the Virus.

You are one of those people that Dr Fauci is exasperated with. Where you have a singular myopic focus on testing to get through phase 1.

It means that Dr Birx and Dr Fauci believe we have enough testing for phase 1. Period stop. End of story. If you think they are lying or spinning, then That’s your judgement.

Context matters. I was talking about how the lede from the media should have been how Birx and Fauci says there is enough testing for phase 1. That was pretty damn newsworthy. But as I predicted if you go to The NY Times and WAPO, the headlines are how Trump is “fomenting” unrest. I was pretty clear with my words. I didn’t say there was sufficient overall testing as a matter of fact I have discussed this at length in other threads that we need more testing. For some reason you chimed in and began arguing something I never said.

Hysterical. Even the CNN video which clearly shows that Dr Fauci believes we have enough testing for phase 1, Erin Burnett the CNN host asks Dr Sanjay Gupta, “ is he right?” For months now we have been hearing “trust the health experts”. I think what they really meant to say was “Trust the health experts, if they confirm our narrative” So you don’t believe Dr Fauci and Dr Birx when they say we have enough testing for phase 1. Is that what I’m hearing from you?

The problem is that the people running things aren’t very bright, and often have hidden agendas. The more you make those things clear, the less authority you have. I was making a similar point earlier. Dr Birx and even Trump had been saying for about a week or so that they didn’t believe there would be a ventilator shortage despite the pleas from governors and hysterical reporting from the media. Not only were the governors and media wrong but they were spectacularly off. The reason being is that they went strictly off of faulty modeling whereas Dr Birx was looking at this from the experiences and actual data that was coming in from Europe and what they were seeing in the US. Same thing will happen with the testing. The states that begin phase 1 will be beginning from a much lower baseline of infections. So the testing required for these states are at much lower levels than the ones who are still in lockdowns. Secondly, as Dr Fauci has been saying for over a month and even more emphatically so yesterday, that there is too much of an emphasis on testing. He’s not saying it’s not needed just that the emphasis on it is overblown. That’s Dr Fauci’s view and this isn’t the first time he has said it. You could see in his face yesterday there was a look of exasperation on the hysteria revolving the emphasis on testing being the end-all-be-all. He has said all along that people who have mild symptoms should stay home. Period. Stop. Stay quarantined until you get results on your test. Dr Fauci, Dr Birx , the CDC and FEMA have all signed off on these guidelines. The idea that they would make this whole show with PowerPoint presentations without signing off on it is absurd. I will take what they say who are apolitical people over the political governors and press any day of the week.

@shoshin let me help you out. This was the post. In regards to the testing, What part of this do you dispute?

I have no idea what you are responding to but it wasn’t anything that I said. You are responding to some sort of fabricated argument that is playing in your own mind. I would suggest you reread the original post that you responded to and then get back to me.