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I didn’t say that he was nearly a perfect man. He’s extremely political and the media and him are a perfect match for each other. The real question Gene is why did the media make such a big deal out of it? A simple google search shows that it’s a relatively safe and established drug. Just doesn’t make sense that they potentially committed this huge unforced error. If Trump ends up being right about this they will have egg in their face and give him a huge victory and talking point going into the elections.

If you are going to go that route then virtually every governor failed as well. Considering they were all warned by Trumps task force beforehand and hardly any of them took action. ———————————————————————————- Although concerns over coronavirus and its ramifications didn't manifest until March in the U.S., U.S. governors were briefed February 9 at the National Governors Association Winter Meeting by members of Donald Trump's coronavirus task force on the growing threat of the respiratory Despite this, many states did not immediately react and resumed business as normal, including New Orleans going forward with Mardi Gras celebrations and parades. Mardi Gras was celebrated February 25 with the traditional parade down Bourbon Street, which usually takes about 2.5 hours and is attended by thousands of people from all over the country – and even many international travelers. The celebrations across the state, and specifically in New Orleans, sparked a major outbreak in Louisiana, leading it to become the fourth deadliest state in the nation with 370 deaths as of Sunday. Centers for Disease Control Director Robert Redfield and the government's top immunologist and infectious diseases expert Anthony Fauci revealed the threats of coronavirus to governors in early February. The NGA meeting was hosted by Chairman and Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, and attended by more than half of the nation's state leaders. Hogan said Redfield and Fauci's statements were alarming to several governors at the time. 'The doctors and the scientists, they were telling us then exactly what they are saying now,' Hogan, a Republican, told The Washington Post in an article published Saturday. ————————————————————————————— If you are going to be consistent then by your standard since we know that they were all explicitly warned, Cuomo, Whitmer and Bell were the most reckless characters of them all https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8189775/amp/Louisiana-governor-claims-no-idea-New-Orleans-Mardi-Gras-trigger-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Jim Acosta may be the worst but she certainly gives him a run for his money. What an awful question. Btw, he handled that superbly.

Trump should just allow his health experts to answer all the health questions....ughhhh

Trump just unwittingly put himself into a future attack ad against him. I think he just said there will be no more cases in the very near future. His relentless desire to talk things down is a detriment to himself.

I'm not going to word it the way others have. But, let's put it this way, do I believe that many in the media and some of the most ardent lefties hope that Trump is wrong about Hydrochloroquine? Yes, yes I do.

I'm actually hoping that within a couple months we can get a pretty decent handle on it.

I get that. But you said speculation and there is a little more than speculation to it. I can't wait till we get all these randomized antibody testing throughout various regions of the country for a whole bevy of reasons.

Actually, it's a little more than speculation. Even though I have gone on record here on this site before this antibody test was published predicting .25% - .5% And in regards to South Korea, you can't really say that with any certainty in regards to the mortality rate being at .5%. Unless you've seen some anitbody testing that I haven't. The best way we will find out are with these antibody tests with random samplings. It will be fascinating to see what the infection rates are by state. I wouldn't be surprised to see New York City and parts of NJ with infection rates of over 25%. Maybe even higher.

Where have all the heart attacks gone? Very sad. I think once there is a full forensic look at all this, once the dust settles which will probably be well over a year from now, we will see that the way we went about the shut down with a meat cleaver will have had a much worse off effect than the safety precautions and lives saved. That's my take on it. I think we will soon find out once the antibody tests are out that the mortality rate will be somewhere between .25%-.4% I think we will see that the poverty that the meat cleaver approach will have caused more fatalities over a 5 year period than the lives saved. I think we will see that there were a number of people's health and ultimately fatalities occurred due to people not reporting health conditions due to fears of going outside of their homes will be a substantial number. I don't blame policy makers for going with the meat cleaver approach, this was a Novel virus and we don't have any proven cures for it, no vaccines and it's highly contagious. Plus the fear of overwhelming hospitals in hot spots is a real and valid concern. But once some deep analysis comes about and we do some Monday morning quarterbacking, when you do a cost/analysis outlook, we will see that not only from a financial point of view but also overall health and fatalities that the best approach to this would have been with a surgical scalpel knife.

We are just going to have to disagree.

I'd like to address a few points here: A) I don't believe he began the Hydroxycholoroquine promotion as a political matter. The positive anecdotal accounts, non randomized small tests out of China and France were being reported by some of conservative outlets. He piggybacked off of those reports. He is an optimist by nature but he does also like to massage and downplay things that may make him look bad. Which I think works against him. Personally, I'd rather have someone who levels with me, ie. the whole downplaying of the Virus and comparing it with the Flu. If we are going to attempt to get into his motives which you did as well, then my guess is that he was trying to basically say "Hey, there may be a cure". Trying to communicate some hope. B) I think what probably caught everyone by surprise is the depth of the media's desire to attack Trump on a drug that has shown some signs of hope. At that point, I do think Trump did make a political calculation. Referencing my original post, he thinks he has the winning hand. He could be wrong, but he's not politically stupid. So logically, that has to be his thinking on it. He does give himself some wiggle room with the "What the hell do you have to lose?".....If he's right, he's going to use it in a BIGLY fashion on how he has "saved thousands and thousands of lives". Whether that is the case or not. C) You say just let the "docs do their thing". Well, I think this is a large reason why he was elected and why he is so controversial. He's a disruptor (disrupter). He's unconventional, which makes him a highly polarizing figure. If he left it up to his health officials, they would have never made any recommendation for it. Let me tell you why his endorsement of it matters. There was a limited supply for hydroxycholoroquine and the fear and part of the criticism against Trump promoting it is that it would take up the supplies of those that use it where it is proven to be successful such as Malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. What Trump did was secure and purchase more supply. Without there being a push for it, this very likely would not have happened. Now as a result of it, you are seeing the state of New York, Michigan, LA. and other states requesting for the federal government to supply them with more of it. Which means, that if he hadn't had made the promotion of hydroxycholoroquine and it turns out that it does help those afflicted with the Virus, his unconventional style very likely would have ended up helping people out.

Just like Doc, you are misunderstanding the context of the “gamble”. Go back and read my response to Doc.

Fox evening shows are on par with MSNBC and CNN in regards to partisanship. The morning shows as well. That’s about 6 hours. The rest of the programming for the remaining hours are much more down the middle than CNN and MSNBC. You know, the actual news portion.

Personally, I hold quite a few positions that are on the moderate to moderate left spectrum such as public safety nets, infrastructure spending, healthcare and immigration to name a few. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I found his demagoguery of Latinos in the Run up to be a huge turnoff and I didn’t trust him. I voted for a third party candidate who happened to be an idiot. Ive seen enough out of Trump now that I will most likely pull the lever for him in 2020. He has turned out to be much better than I thought he would have been. I still don’t like the way he often times communicates and his world class narcissism but I approve of his actions. The media has been so awful that they have also been another contributing factor that has pushed me in his direction. So when he takes them on, I sympathize with it. I honestly just cannot stand the media. They are a Broken institution.

It’s a line that has been used over and over from corporate mainstream left wing news sites. It’s silly to think that there is a mass movement of doctors listening to Trumps recommendations on what to prescribe to their patients. With that said there is a strong demand for this drug from doctors and state and local governments and Trump is securing more supply for it from outside sources and supplying the governments with their demand. It’s not your fault that you are bothered by this, it’s just a byproduct of the media’s manipulation.

They can’t help it. They just mindlessly repeat what they hear on the left wing echo chambers that we call the mainstream news.

Snake oil salesman? sounds like another parroted comment that you hear throughout MSNBC and CNN And Vitamins? What does that have to do with doctors who are infinitely more qualified than you are who are prescribing hydroxychloroquine throughout the world. Come back to me when you are ready to provide some substance rather than these shallow arguments.

You sound like a parrot who just watched CNN

If there Truly ever was a person who suffers from TDS, she would be the one.

I misread it. My bad

There used to be a time when FOX news was a relatively right wing cable news channel. Relatively speaking they are much more to the middle than MSNBC or CNN.

The other dead giveaway that it’s birddog aside from his user name is that Birddog never capitalizes the first word of a sentence.

It’s at the beginning of the article. It simply references the doctors that say it doesn’t work. I read the article of the doctors they were referencing in a separate article earlier today.

NIH to begin testing Hydroxychloroquine —————————————————————— The study will evaluate the safety and the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine and be conducted by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), part of NIH. “Hydroxychloroquine has showed promise in a lab setting against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and preliminary reports suggest potential efficacy in small studies with patients,” said James P Kiley, director, Division of Lung Diseases, NHLBI. ——————————————————————— Just to show you how invested the media is against this, in the same article they reference 3 doctors who don’t believe it works. 3 doctors. Let that sink in.