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HI!!!!!!!!!!! I want Chris Fischetti FIRED, NOW!

It's not a fight for one or the other b/c so far this season, there's no competition. If Orton starts playing the way EJ did and we finish 6-10 then we can begin to have this discussion. I'm a Bills fan, not an Orton or EJ fan. I don't care either way. But to rip on a guy that is clearly better than the player he replaced is a waste of time. It's an improvement - end of story.

QBR / yards / TD's/ completion %/ ypa - Orton blows EJ away in every single category. And wins too.. This conversation should've died away along time ago.

I really hope so man. I too believe that EJ can benefit from this. However, I would have no problems with him benefiting from another year on the bench next season too. ;-) Because EJ's 19.8 QBR was tearing it up... Give it up man.

2 key stats that are really game-changers in my opinion: Completion % and yards per attempt. There is a 1.6 ypa difference between Orton and EJ. Just how large is that gap? The difference between the #1 QB in the NFL in ypa (Peyton Manning at 8.47) and #30 in the NFL (Tannehill at 6.56) is 1.91. That's the difference from the absolute best to someone ranked #30 - almost dead last. So 1.6 is light years apart. Orton ranks #6 in the NFL in ypa. There is 9.4 difference in completion % between Orton and EJ. Just how large is that gap? The difference between the #1 NFL QB in completion % (drew brees - 69.5%) and the #30 in the NFL (EJ and Locker at 58.0) is 11.5. A 9.4 difference is again, light years apart. Orton ranks #7 in completion % in the NFL. Orton does take more sacks but produces many more big plays and does so more consistently.

LOL I get the sarcasm. McCoy and Reich pumped life back into the SD offense after it started sputtering a bit (for their standards). One area I admire an offense like SD is how they're able to utilize Danny Woodhead (when he was healthy) in their offense. That little runt is an elite player when utilized in the passing game.

I look at it this way: focus on what you do well and try and get really really good at it. Last year we were good at running the ball. Despite our greatness at rushing, we were limited by a rookie QB - it happens. This year it looks like we can't run effectively (especially now with injuries) but since Orton has been at QB our passing game has greatly improved and should continue to improve with chemistry and young WR's continuing to evolve. Though we shouldn't become a pass-happy team, I definitely think the focus should start to tilt towards the pass game a bit and away from the running game, which ironically may end up helping the run game.

EJ?

Marrone doesn't bother me. Still just a huge question mark though. NH bothers me - kill me for it. I think he's in over his head, yes. I think he's never really accomplished anything substantial in his career for me to think otherwise. I think if his name was Nathanial Williams he wouldn't be where he is today. That being said, we're 1.5yrs into his time here and he can still evolve. But as of right now, NH is a liability. It's a message board, it's my opinion. That is all.

99 hands down. I like our D a lot but lets revisit this topic after we play an entire season. We still have rodgers, brady and manning on our schedule.

"Ebola? I LOVE IT! I LOVE the challenge - the possibility of being quarantined. Man, im EXCITED. BRING IT" said Hackett. HAHAHA

I agree. It can be very explosive indeed - if we dont run, run, pass 4 consecutive drives with the same half back dive up the middle. The all-22 actually shows this. Yes they do. When was the last time we ran a sweep play? I honestly cant remember. A screen? i cant remember that either. Other teams run those too.

And its not just about the sequence of run, run, pass - its about the types of runs we see - almost always up the middle.

I also did say the offense, not just NH. What about the plays that were called runs and were audibled to a pass? Im just going over what was actually played bc i dont know what was called.

My post didnt even touch on our field position most of those highlighted drives - which only added insult to injury

This article touches on how we were conservative with the "lead" and thus "smart". What happens when the game is "close" is as follows: 1st Quarter Plays called (run/pass): 1st possession: Tie game: 0-0 – Run, Run, Pass – Incomplete but penalty gives us first down to continue drive. Then Pass, Pass, Pass, Pass (sack), Pass – TD. 2nd possession: Winning: 7-0 – Run, Pass, Pass – Punt 3rd possession: Winning: 7-0 – Run, Run, Pass – Punt (Are we protecting this lead already?) 4th possession: Winning: 7-0 – We get the ball at Jets 1 yd line: Pass – TD 2nd Quarter plays called (run/pass): 5th possession: Winning: 14 – 7 – Pass, Run, Pass (84yd bomb), Run, Run – TD 6th possession: Winning: 21 – 7 – Run, Pass, Pass – Punt (No complaints) 7th possession: Winning 21 – 7 – Run, Run, Pass – FG (It’s the 2nd quarter of an NFL game – too early to protect anything - Horrible) 8th possession: Winning 24 – 14 – Run, Pass, Run – Punt (We’re up 10 pts in the 2nd quarter – are we really protecting anything in the 2nd quarter of an NFL game? - Horrible) 3rd Quarter plays called (run/pass): 9th possession: Winning 24 – 17 – Pass, Run, Pass – Punt 10th possession: Winning 24 – 17 – Run, Run, Pass – FG (Up 1 score in the 3rd quarter – what exactly are we “protecting” early in the 3rd quarter of a game? – Horrible) 11th possession: Winning 27 – 17 – Run, Run, Pass – Punt (we’re up a wopping 10 points in the 3rd quarter and we’re “protecting” here? – Horrible) 12th possession: Winning 27 – 17 – Run, Run, Pass – FG (AGAIN – we’re up 10pts in the 3rd quarter and still protecting that insurmountable lead – Horrible) 13th possession: Winning 30 – 17 – Run (end of quarter) 4th Quarter plays called (run/pass): 13th possession (cont’d): Winning 30 – 17 – Run, Pass – TD 14th possession: Winning 37 – 17 (OK, now it’s the 4th quarter and you’re up more than two scores – now is the time where you just “protect” the score, IMO) – Run, Run, Run, Run, Pass (61yds) – TD 15th possession: Winning 43 – 23 – Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Kneel. Game OVER. Look at the above for 1 minute and think about what you’re looking at. I bolded the 3rd quarter b/c that was the KEY quarter that was a complete abomination of play calling. We are up by a whopping 7 points and 10 points and look at our play calling. Are we really protecting a 7 point lead to start the 3rd quarter? Are we really protecting a 10 point lead, ON THE ROAD, midway through the 3rd quarter? It’s 7 and 10 pts, not 21 and 24 points. Look at the 2nd quarter too. What are we possibly “protecting” in the 2nd quarter of a game when the other team is still within 2 scores. It wasn’t 35 – 3 in the 2nd quarter. Prior to the game being completely out of control in the 4th quarter at 37 – 17, the play calling had already been an abomination – and that’s the problem. Out of 13 drives prior to the game being out of control in the 4th quarter – NH called Run, Run, Pass 7 times. Predictability. Lack of creativity. That's this offense's problem. We won and that's freaking awesome. We also had 6 turnovers which happens about once every 3-5years maybe. If we're going to continue to improve as a team, we need to improve the play calling. That's all I'm saying with respect to NH.

100% agree.

Haha. Seriously. I breezed by with Miami.

Haha. Jets may beat you to it

Well said We had a 1 score lead at half time. You dont run plays to protect the lead halfway through the game. You run plays to score more and win.

HAHA

I know. But it's bordering on the brink of insanity at this point. Kyle Orton 10/17, 238 yards, 4 TDs, 142.9 QB rating. As per yoloinohio: @SportsCenter: Kyle Orton has led Bills to 3-1 record since taking over as starter. Orton: 1,128 Pass yds, 9 TD, 3 Int http://t.co/5YhS0gCGXR @TBNSully: Watkins has 21 catches for 393 yards in 4 games with Kyle Orton. He had 17 for 197 yards, half as many, in 4 games with EJ Manuel at QB. @TBNSully: After today's game, the Bills' Kyle Orton is averaging exactly 8.0 yards per pass attempt, which would rank fifth in the NFL. And he's 7th in completion % in the NFL

LMAO. I know, I know. I looked at it as him missing that point after he should be good the rest of his career now.

that 1st quarter was the worst QB performance i've watched in recent memory - hands down (at the professional level at least).

You can't be serious.