thebandit27

I think there’s very little chance that Andre Roberts isn’t on the final roster

Now, what if you look at TD passes per pass thrown? Or are you aiming to be the 3rd poster to ignore this question?

Nope. He’s wrong, and you’re a ways late to the discussion. Just look at TD%, since it is as apples-to-apples as it gets.

I wonder if he’d go to LAC to play with Anthony Lynn? Might make sense.

Perhaps I should’ve gone with your old standby “FOH bro” instead? Stay healthy and safe man.

No ? man ? I never said otherwise.

Nah, the point they’ll be at after 2020 is determining if Allen is trending toward the kind of player they’d be happy to pay after 2022. If he is, great. If he’s not, then they need to find another guy to compete in 2021.

Well, since no QB in NFL history has ever been given that amount of money, and Allen literally can’t be extended right now, that’s a totally irrelevant question. Well yes, that’s what smart teams do for their young QBs. You see it in KC, you saw it in LA with Goff, and you saw it in Chicago with Trubisky. Very few QBs are the types that can make average weapons into a high-octane offense. The better approach is to build up an arsenal of elite weapons when the QB is on his rookie deal and hope he’s a good enough playmaker to take advantage.

Sorry, but judging quantity of TD passes without considering number of attempts isn’t reasonable. And the idea that a QB needs to produce a high number of TD passes regardless of number of attempts strikes me as the exact opposite of reasonable. Incivility isn’t tolerated purely based on opinions differing; the folks that deserve blasting are the ones that can’t be honest about the discussion. Though I think we all know who those few are...and yeah, there are definitely posters that can’t abide any criticism of the kid without pitchforking. That’s equally stupid.

So in response to the idea that you changed the argument to fit a narrative, you decided to...change the argument to fit a narrative? ? Dude, just use TD%; it provides all of the context that you’re pretending to want: it tells you how often a QB throws a TD pass relative to how many passing attempts that QB has. Easy as it gets. And it isn’t like it props up Allen outrageously; he’s 18th. The problem is that you’re emotionally invested in an outcome, and that won’t allow you to be objective here. Objectively, anywhere between 16 and 25 is a defensible take on Allen. Problem is that whackos come in here with these “bottom 5” type takes and then have to make things up or twist and flail wildly to shoehorn some barely-applicable statistic into becoming the de facto case. And for the record, no, you didn’t make a fact-based argument. He isn’t bottom 5 in passing TDs, and factoring in TD-passes on a per-attempt basis actually raises his ranking relative to the guys you mention above. Just look at it honestly and you won’t get hammered. @Biscuit_97 is a pretty big Allen doubter and he manages to stay grounded in his points the vast majority of the time.

You are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts. So when someone makes a totally indefensible claim like “bottom 5 in most passing categories”, that person (and anyone that agrees with them) should fully expect to be called out. You should also expect to be called out when you say “bottom 5 in passing TDs” when it’s false. And then if you feel the need to back your way into a defensible position by switching the argument to TD passes per game (instead of, say, TD% which is pretty commonly used), you may find it difficult to get people to believe that you’re making a purely a fact-based argument.

Should we trade them Spencer Long for a pick? Kidding. Kidding.

I don’t understand why people are more interested in proving a point than actual analysis, but I suppose that’s nothing new.

Why per-game? Why not go with straight TD% since some teams throw less than others? I’ll handle this one: because Allen ranked 18th in TD%, and that’s not bottom-5, so it’s it out because reasons.

In what universe is 23rd “bottom 5” in a 32-team league? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm I swear it’s like people just throw ? at the wall and hope nobody notices

You can’t see the data? We’ve posted it about 200 times for you: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm Josh Allen—7.2% drop rate; by FAR the highest in the league. And normalizing stats doesn’t mean you remove all the drops; it means you compare QBs based upon the average number of drops. But don’t bother; there’s already a stat for what you want to know, it’s called on-target %age. Allen was 21st...otherwise known by some stubborn folks as “bottom 5” in a 32-team league ?

Spikes and throwaways are not included in OT% FWIW.

Tubisky’s drop percentage was almost 2 full percentage points lower than Allen’s. The key number to look at is on-target percentage.

Bottom 5 in most passing categories? I’m curious if you ever say anything about Allen that’s true? He was 23rd in yards, 23rd in TDs, 18th in TD %age, 16th in INT %age, 23rd in ANY/A, 24th in passer rating...at what point do you just stop making things up? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm Or is the stat guy drunk about the above too?

Oh now everyone loves Lynn Bowden? Where were you people 3 months ago?!?! ?

Under on Bears and Chargers all day long

In the slot he’d be a bastard

Tre Gilmore Ward Byard Adams

*****. I didn’t know that. Can I blame it on him being utterly irrelevant? ?

Ooh...let me see if I can name them all without looking: Ryan Gurley Julio Ridley Hurst Matthews Carpenter Mack Lindsrom McGary ?, that’s only 10...who would be the 11th? A second TE? Think Bandit, think! Gah...ok I give up, who’s #11?