thebandit27

I mean, read this review of Goff's rookie season: https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/1/10/14212140/la-rams-qb-jared-goff-rookie-season-recap-scouting-report It reads like a word-for-word write up of Allen through 6 games.

I don't know if he looks on par with this year's other rookies, but I know that he's very similar to the rookie performance of the top QB picked in each of the last 2 drafts:

Almost everything you say is indeed factually correct--drafting Allen, however, is in no way risky. They spent two 2nd-round picks to get him...if it doesn't work, the team drafts another QB in 2020. No big deal. I wonder about the conclusion you're trending toward though...since Allen had bigger deficiencies than the two QBs I mentioned, should we be more or less encouraged by the fact that he's performing in similar fashion to those guys in his first 1/3 of a season? I will tell you, however, that there's no reason to believe that Allen is going to benefit from creative, forward-thinking offensive coaching the way the other 2 did. Of course, an off-season of aggressive offensive acquisitions can change that quickly, but we shall see.

Josh Allen in 6 games: 75/139 (54%), 2 TDs, 5 INTs, 832 yds (6.0 YPA), 21 sacks. He's also run the ball 35 times for 155 yards, 3 TDs, and fumbled 3 times. Very, very similar to Jared Goff in 2016, whose first 7 games looked like this: 112/205 (54.6%), 5 TDs, 7 INTs, 1,089 yards (5.3 YPA), 26 sacks. Of course, Goff only had 8 rushes for 16 yards with 1 TD and fumbled 5 times too. Mitchell Trubisky is another very apt comparison...his first 7 games looked like this: 94/178 (52.8%), 4 TDs, 4 INTs, 1,135 yds (6.4 YPA), 19 sacks. He was better rushing than Goff, having 25 rushes for 175 yads, though he scored 0 TDs and fumbled 6 times. Hmmm...maybe Allen just looks like a rookie, and not like the worst thing ever to happen to football...possible?

Can't someone both (a) feel bad that horrible things were done to him and (b) believe that he is still responsible for his own actions? I mean that rhetorically; that's actually exactly how I feel.

That guy... Nothing like showing up 2 months before the draft, reading all of the work other people have done, passing it off as your own opinion while offering zero analysis of any kind, and then bragging about it.

Welcome to the board... now go get your shine box!!! (j/k man) Solid first post, and I think most rational fans agree with you.

They didn't. You don't "know"...you might believe, suppose, predict, or even staunchly assert the opinion that a guy will bust. To say you "know" is quite simply lying. For example, back in June of 2016, I predicted (actually, the terminology I used was "feel like") that Patrick Mahomes would be "special". I could be on this board pounding my chest about how I "knew"...but the thing is, I didn't. I believed that he would be special, but I'm not so self-aggrandizing that I'd say that I knew.

The difference here is that EJ started in 4 bowl games at FSU and played with and around NFL talent. He had Stevie Johnson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, and other real NFL players at this disposal. It shouldn't surprise you that EJ came into the league at his ceiling and bottomed out quickly, much like it shouldn't surprise you that Allen is coming into the NFL at his floor. Playing 2 years at Wyoming before starting as a rookie while being surrounded by borderline NFL players isn't going to result in him looking like a guy that started 4 bowl games at FSU and was surrounded by legit NFL talent.

I love this fan base. Allen either has to be "very good" or "the worst QB in NFL history". He cannot simply be a talented kid for whom the game is moving too quickly, that was denied the chance to get up to NFL speed, and instead thrown into the fray before he was ready because the coaching staff and front office botched the off-season approach at QB; starting a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL and trading away the veteran they brought in specifically to stabilize the position. Right now, the kid's biggest problem is that the game is moving too quickly for him, and so he's trying to make plays any way that he can. That's a recipe for bad-looking QB play. It's magnified by the fact that they have the worst offensive personnel in the league around him, but that's beside the point. Why anyone is surprised by this is beyond me, but not as far beyond me as how we can have so many overly presumptuous folks that are ready to close the book on the kid because he's not up to NFL speed after 2 years at Wyoming and 5 NFL starts. That's the height of ignorance IMO. For better or worse, he's the starter, and since he doesn't look like he's getting the confidence beaten out of him, they should let him play.

Why don't you take your common sense and rational viewpoint somewhere else? Not sure if you noticed, but we ain't havin' none of that here

@COTC That pick was Josh Allen's fault

Those 2 penalties were Josh Allen's fault

What? I'm agreeing with you You've been so measured and persuasive

Yeah, he even sucks at being injured!

Let it go. He's just joking. There's no way anyone is that stupid

But... I thought he was panicking? You're definitely joking

You now officially have my apologies; I didn't realize that this was a shtick routine

This is definitely Josh Allen's fault

I know right. At least he's not "just standing there" Right? #noagenda

Don't bother; pay more attention to having half a clue

And there it is: insult someone when called out for nonsensical statements Typical

You don't care enough to have an agenda, yet you're here posting about it repeatedly? Yeah, ok

Your complaint is that he's standing in the pocket? Waiting for his horrendous WRs to come open? You're watching with an agenda