thebandit27

What a horrible decision it would be to trade UP for a right tackle

Why not? I mean, I don't think it happens either, but the sweeping declaration opens you up to looking quite foolish if it happens Very few...and that's the point: why would you spend s top-10 pick on a position that doesn't produce much offensively?

So let me get this straight: you're using the pretend conversation bit in this thread to whine that the team wouldn't be addressing the pass rush, and using the pretend conversation bit in the Frank Clark thread to whine that the team can't trade for a pass rusher? From this, I can determine two things: 1) the bit isn't funny regardless of the subject matter 2) you whine a lot

Well, my very first post in this thread said that Hock needs to be a 70/1,000 guy to justify a top-10 pick, so I'd pull back a bit on saying that I don't see value in an elite TE. My point is that so few TEs produce at that level anymore, and none of them have been first rounders for over a decade, so the chances that you're getting top-10 value from a TE pick are quite low.

Why would we draft a TE to be a great blocker? Why not just draft a tackle and line Nsehke up as an extra TE? Positional value just isn't there IMO

It's not all that difficult to structure a contract to have enough guaranteed money while still being "escapable" after the first two years. For example, if you're trying to give Clark/Clowney a 5-year, $100M deal with $60M fully guaranteed at signing, you could do the following: 5 years, $100M, $20M signing bonus. 2019 - $15M fully gtd base salary, $4M signing bonus cap hit; total cap hit = $19M; dead cap hit = $60M 2020 - $17M fully gtd base salary, $4M signing bonus cap hit; total cap hit = $21M; dead cap hit = $41M 2021 - $12M base salary (8M fully gtd), $4M signing bonus cap hit; total cap hit = $16M; dead cap hit = $12M 2022 - $18M base salary (no gtd base), $4M signing bonus cap hit; total cap hit = $22M; dead cap hit = $8M 2023 - $18M base salary (no gtd base), $4M signing bonus cap hit; total cap hit = $22M; dead cap hit = $4M

It was a potentially huge play that didn't get made, but Gilmore kind of gets a pass for it because it was one of the best games I've ever seen from a CB in a Bills' uniform.

Take 1 and throw it in the trash...because Stephon Gilmore dropped a guaranteed pick-6 earlier in the game too. Selective memory? Also, we're going to hang the game on JC Tretter because he gave up a sack at his own goal-line on 3rd down when already down 6 with 2 minutes to go? That's, well, stupid. The Bills won that game because they forced Rodgers into the worst game of his career. He was 19/42 for 200 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs.

I guess I look at it this way: the absolute best TEs touch the ball 80+ times per year and accumulate over 1,000 yards in offense. If you feel very confident that you're getting one of those guys, then yeah, use a top-10 pick. By contrast, when you get past the top 3 TEs in the game, you're into WR2-at-best numbers, and that's only 3-4 players...and I'm not convinced that a WR2 is worth a top-10 pick. It's different if you're talking about a LT that is a terrific pass blocker and can handle his business in the run game; that's a guy that's going to be effective on every snap, and potentially take away a defense's most critical asset: it's top pass-rusher. When you look at a TE, can he be a downright dominant blocker so as to effect the game every snap, AND be a key receiving threat in the passing game? Those guys are extremely rare. So rare, in fact, that Olsen is really the last first-round TE to have a very good career.

Yes, that's the exact point. That level of production is not worth a top-10 pick.

See above

True, but that's not really the crux of my point. I think we'd all agree that, if 2018 George Kittle was taken in the first round, we'd say he was well worth the pick. But if Hockenson is indeed projected to be a blocking TE that only produces 50+ receptions and 700+ yards, that's not worth a top-10 selection. The TE position, as a whole, is dying in the current NFL. There are 3 TEs that topped 1,000 yards, and only 2 others that topped 700. The best example that I can think of for not drafting a blocking TE that can also be a passing weapon is Trey Burton. He was a force as a blocker, and had 50+ catches, 500+ yards, and 6 TDs. Yet he was a late-round pick and a FA acquisition. You don't need to spend a top-10 pick on that.

If I draft White, I've got two thoughts on it: 1) I'm totally comfortable moving Edmunds to an EDGE position. It takes advantage of his pass-rush ability, while still allowing him to be a coverage defender in sub-packages. Think of him as being groomed to take over for LorAx in another year. 2) We don't know if Milano will be healthy, so you've got White there to play that roles as well.

Nope...you are failing to give weight to positional value. I can find a blocking TE that can also catch 40 passes in rounds 3-7. If I'm spending a top-10 pick, I want an elite player. Maybe you don't, and that's fine, but there's nothing incorrect about drafting for value over need.

For me, I'd love to land any of White, Oliver, or Allen...not sure any of the 3 will be there. If all are gone, I'm probably looking at Wilkins or Sweat. If they think that Jawaan Taylor can play LT, then that's a guy you look at as well. I'd be fine with that from my TE1, but that, to me, is not anywhere near worth a top-10 pick.

He better catch 70+ passes for 1,000+ yards if they pick him in the top 10

You rubber stamped him a franchise QB. Wrong. Plain and simple. And no, I didn't have to go back through your posts--you may learn over time that brazen declarations are noteworthy to those of us with decent memories...it was actually quite a quick and painless exercise to both recall and locate the offending post. What you put on the internet lives forever, so keep that in mind the next time you want to blast others for their opinions--there may be a skeleton lurking in your closet too

Be great if it was the Raiders. Trade Cooper for a 1st Trade Mack for 2 1sts Trade a 3+5 for a head case like AB and give him $20M/year Trade a 1st for a domestic abuser like Clark and give him $20M/year

There are? By who? And you seem to be the only one that's unnerved here.

My word, what an utterly brutal twist it would be if Rey IS Anakin in another body!

Dude, the whole saga started with a woman standing up to the most powerful man in the galaxy. The same woman killed the most vile gangster in the galaxy and rescued her beloved smuggler from said gangster. Your racism aside, I'm pretty sure that fans won't mind women being in prominent roles.

It's Anakin. The whole saga is about him; he must be part of the ending

Wow. That preview was LOADED.

It's almost as stupid as someone openly anointing Tyrod Taylor as our franchise QB back in January of 2016! But who would've been silly enough to do that?

Like I said back in January: y'all are going to be utterly wowed by the new facilities.