thebandit27

Guess you didn't watch the Super Bowl, or any of the 2018 season, which saw NE and their run-first offense pound their way to a Lombardi trophy then, huh?

Pretty sure you're thinking of Dustin Fox; he's retired and doing sports radio in Cleveland IIRC. Sheesh.

The above tells me that either (a) you haven't read a single word of what I typed, or (b) you're trolling me. Because option c would be that you are unable to read or think, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Your posts definitely don't read as though you're an idiot. Like I said: all you had to do was say that you aren't interested in engaging in a discussion where your opinion can be questioned, and you'd rather simply have it accepted as fact. That's a very clear signal for me not to engage; in the future let me know when you've taken a position that you consider to be infallible and refuse to support beyond "I am right" and I'll know to steer clear.

Making things up is a generally horrible approach to persuasive argument development. If you cared to read, my first response on Wilson was that I wouldn't argue too much if someone wanted to put him in the elite tier, so while your "stomping" statement is cute and all, it's brutally misplaced and borders on absurd. What I said is that simply making a declaration with zero context whatsoever doesn't make for a compelling case, and frankly your posts since that original one have more or less gone south. Which is disappointing because I tried to engage with actual stats and context, but that went wayward as well. If you simply want to have your opinion accepted as fact without any real substantive discussion, then just say so and we don't need to get into the silliness you've spiraled into. Otherwise consider the idea that occasionally your opinion will be challenged and facts, not more opinion, tend to make a stronger case.

At least you're consistent in proffering nothing beyond unsubstantiated opinions.

Ok, so you've chosen to back up opinion with more opinion. That's fine, it's just not very persuasive

Seattle lead the NFL in rushing last year, and Tyler Lockett was the NFL's top WR in DVOA, so using the relative weakness of his supporting cast as evidence doesn't quite pass muster. I'm open to hearing your case, but it helps if you actually make one. No offense intended

As compelling as that blanket statement is, perhaps a bit of context would add weight?

Well, he's unlikely to be a backup for this team. And the point was simply that the other poster's statement was massively hyperbolic.

So let me get this straight: Trent Murphy's $7.8M in guaranteed money over 3 years is a worst contract than... Blake Bortles getting $26.5M in guarantees and getting benched for Cody Kessler; Case Keenum getting $25M in guarantees, going 6-10 as a starter, throwing 18 TDs:15 INTs, and getting traded for a 6th round pick in 2020; Ryan Jensen getting $22M in guarantees and drawing a lower overall grade than Russell Bodine, who got a contract with a total value of 16% of Jensen's guaranteed money; TJ Carrie getting $15.5M in guarantees and total AAV that ranked in the top 20, and getting replaced as a starter halfway through the season; That's your case? Well, it's a terrible case that I'm pretty sure even you know is massive hyperbole at this point, but go right ahead if you feel that you need to die on this hill. I mean, if being outperformed by an UDFA is the criteria for worst contract in the NFL, then what about the following guys that were outperformed by Robert Foster? Pierre Garcon Greg Olsen DeVante Parker Marquise Goodwin Cordarelle Patterson Where's the intellectual consistency?

Here's my thought process with the guys you mentioned: Ben: receivers come and go, OCs come and go, RBs come and go, and yet there's Pittsburgh in the thick of the AFC Championship race every season. He just completed a season in which he threw for 5,100 yards and had the 3rd-lowest INT %age of his career. Brady: NE centered the entire focus of their 2018 offseason on becoming a run-first team. He did not finish in the top 10 in the NFL in passer rating, TDs, YPA, TD %age, INT %age, or completion percentage. He's still a franchise QB; he's just not Tom Brady anymore. Wilson: I thought about putting him among the elite. He was outstanding in 2018. To an extent, he suffered a bit from how much Seattle relied upon their run game in my eyes. I probably wouldn't argue too hard if anyone moved him up a tier given his TD numbers, INT %age, and TD %age. Dak: I honestly don't see why he's not a franchise guy. Remove him from that offense and replace him with someone from the next tier (say, Dalton or Flacco) and I think there's a clear drop off. Eli: yeah, he probably could be dropped into the starter tier, but when you beat Brady 3x in your career, twice in the Super Bowl (in heroic fashion no less), you get a whole lotta leeway from Bandit

I've always felt that the best way to sort QBs is in 5 tiers: Elite - All you need is this guy and you're a bona fide Super Bowl contender every year Franchise - This guy can be a key contributor (even if he's not the numero uno factor) in helping you win a Super Bowl Starter - He's not a franchise QB, but if everything else goes nearly perfect, this guy can get hot and win you a Super Bowl Unknown - Guys that have started for fewer than 2 seasons and haven't looked totally dominant or totally lost Stopgap - Everyone else With the above in mind, here's what I've got (these are listed in tiers, not in order within the tier): Elite Ben, Luck, Rodgers, Brees Franchise Brady (not elite any more), Watson, Mahomes (if he comes close to last year's performance without Hill/Hunt he'll move up), Rivers, Wilson, Goff, Stafford, Cousins, Newton, Ryan, Eli, A. Smith, Dak, Wentz Starter Dalton, Mariota, Foles, Carr, Flacco, Winston Unknown Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Murray, Garoppolo, Trubisky

And that somehow makes it one of the worst contracts in the NFL? You're reaching. His $7.8M in guarantees doesn't even come close to being as bad as the 2018 FA contracts of guys like Ryan Jensen, Blake Bortles, TJ Carrie, Case Keenum, or several others in that FA period alone.

Murphy got less than $8M guaranteed at signing. He's tied for 44th in terms of AAV for EDGE defenders. If that is one of the worst contracts in the NFL, then every GM is an absolute financial wizard in every sense of the term.

Would you like to know? Because that's not a difficult thing to look up I know that both Bortles and Wentz were at 60.2% in 2017, and both went to conference championship games. I also know that Cam Newton was NFL MVP and took the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2015 while completing 59.8% of his passes. His team lost in the Super Bowl to the Broncos and Peyton Manning, who completed 59.8% of his passes that year. The actual percentage doesn't matter at all. Points are not awarded for completion percentage. Scoring TDs and ending the game with more points than your opponent matters. Again, the key factor isn't whether or not Allen completes a certain percentage of passes. It's whether or not he can make the throw he needs to make, when he needs to make it. Tom Brady won 2 of his first 3 Super Bowls completing less than 61% of his passes. Joe Flacco won the Super Bowl in a season where he completed 59.7% of his passes. The point here is that there's no benchmark that a QB has to hit in order to be officially able to win games. I'm pretty sure that fans would be elated if the team went 11-5 and Allen completed only 54% of his passes (sort of like Andrew Luck as a rookie).

Agreed. You know how much these guys value positional flexibility though

I feel that this is exactly what they're doing, save for the idea that Spain is a definite starter. They may simply be trying to establish his positional flexibility since they're going to have serious competition for interior roster spots.

Just an FYI: 5 of the top 12 teams in regular-season team completion %age did not make the playoffs in 2018. On the contrary, the passing stat that seems to matter most is YPA. For contextual purposes, 9 of the top 13 teams in team YPA made the playoffs in 2018. You could also make the argument that Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt has the highest correlation, since 10 of the top 13 teams in team ANYA made the playoffs in 2018. In the end, what matters is this: can the QB make the throw he needs to make when he needs to make it? If we're attempting to address that question, then I think that there are a handful of examples that would support the idea that Allen can indeed make the critical throw, and slightly fewer examples that would support the idea that he can't.

Not surprising at all. One other thing to think about is that there will also be good, young-ish WRs that will be released for cap reasons. It wouldn't surprise me at all if any of Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffery, Allen Robinson, or Stefon Diggs were released/traded.

Russell Bodine can pack his bags right now. Definitely like the look of that line. I'd take it on opening day right now.

No worries; I'm 38 and I still get left and right wrong

Not a big deal money-wise. Almost all of his gtd money was in year 1, so he can be released next offseason with very little cap impact.

FWIW, Hughes plays RDE and Murphy/Lawson play LDE

I won't speak for Badol, but there's a pretty big difference between extending Eric Wood with a year left on his deal and Jerry Hughes. Why? Well, for one, the team had just matched a RFA offer sheet for Wood's backup, Ryan Groy, because they were happy with his play as a starter, and he was presumably set to take over after the 2017 season. Hughes, on the other hand, is now one of only 2 EDGE rushers under contract for the 2020 season. The other is Murphy, who has missed a total of 19 games in the past 2 seasons and was generally underwhelming as a pass rusher last year. For another, Wood was 31 years old as an offensive lineman and coming off a broken leg. Hughes is 30 and has never missed a game in 6 seasons with the team.

If it's the same foot, that's probably not good news.