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Or Maybe the rookie Offensive coordinator has his head up his ass. Turk Schonert has been putting Trent Edwards is some difficult situations. Calling the shotgun play most of the time every game. He called the shotgun on 3rd and one three times against the pats,wth is up with that? The Bills rarely run play action pass which would keep the defense guessing. Schonert wants to keep calling shotgun passing plays which keep getting Edwards hurried,harried,hit and rushed! Either that or the defense drops 8 into coverage and takes Lee Evans away,the rest of the receivers drop the ball or run the wrong routes!!! Did you happen to notice that Steve Johnson was starting over James Hardy!That's right the 7th rounder got the nod over the 2nd rounder. Yea nobody on the bills has opened up and said it but Hardy is just like the 49ers tight end Vernon Davis all talent and no brain. His route running stinks and has caused some interceptions!Stick that in your objectivity!

Quote from Lee Evans: It’s been a rough couple of games, a rough part of the season,” Evans said. “It’s not so much what the other teams do and what they don’t do, it’s about us.” It appeared Evans was open several times down the field, but quarterback Trent Edwards rarely looked his way. “It’s more so what teams have been doing,” Evans said. “It’s hard to get open when they drop so many people deep and you really don’t have many underneath routes to hold people there. “It’s not one person’s fault,” added Evans. “It’s just us, as an offense, we haven’t been playing very well.” My take is it's the game plan and coaching failure to get the Bills best offensive player the ball! Send the rookies deep and send Lee on the crossing routes..over the middle and underneath and end around's. Lee Evans should be seeing the ball come his way 10-15 times a game. Jebus the retarded coaches need to find a way to get Lee Evans the ball!! Marshawn lynch should also be getting 20-25 touches a game,the more the better.Either Lynch or Evans should be the only players that should see the ball every offensive play.Utilize your best players,don't let opponents take them away.

That reminds me,think of the SD Chargers fans and what they must be thinking now of the firing of Marty Schottenheimer after he took them to a 14-2 record. Man... talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Please MR Wilson, you can't take it with you! Hire a guy who can win a super bowl for you,Bill Cower! Or even talk Marty Shottenheimer out of retirement if Cower won't come here. I was a big fan of Dick Jauron and his coaching style and his rep for building a strong defense and power running game. It appears he gives his coordinator's way to much control and lets them do whatever they want. Most notably offensively, throwing the ball out of the shotgun on third and one 3 times against the Patriots should have cost Schonert his job...or at least a severe butt kicking,nope he is still calling stupid passing plays. If Jauron refuses to take control and pound the rock then lets get Bill Cower or Marty ball in Buffalo. Lord knows I want to see the bills run the ball like the NY Giants are doing, 200 yards on the ground against that vaunted Ravens "D"

I strongly disagree! The biggest problem with that theory is not Marshawn Lynch IMO! Lynch and Jackson are both capable backs with some amazing abilities. My take is.. its the coaching staff's inability to stick with the running game even when they get behind and the offensive line.Turk Schonert wants to throw the ball on every down and out of the shotgun no less. The Bills Offensive line...do they in any way shape or form resemble the NY Giants offensive line? Perhaps physically but not in ability and determination. Maybe you missed the games where Kris Jenkings, Vince Wolfolk Shaun Rodgers all made the bills center and guards look like high schoool players against pro's. Kris Jenkins personally tore the bills a new one even being triple teamed!!! What do the Bills do? Of course they try and run up the middle or off tackle. the team needs to be more creative when over matched at certain positions. LIKE RUNNING AWAY FROM JENKINS! Miss-direction plays,toss sweeps,end around's. Basically they need to stop throwing so much and concentrate on running

On a side note..In 1988, that was the year I first purchased 4 season tickets after I had read Marv Levy had hired ex Baltimore colts head coach Ted Marchibroda.I kept those season seats though most of the the 90's. Mind you I wasn't a big fan of Marvs' even with his Grey cup wins and head coaching stints the Chiefs and USFL.But I was a big fan of Ted Marchibroda and Bert Jones,they could never get the Colts past the Steelers in the late 70's. Of all the hires by Marv I think that Marchibroda was his best. He helped develop Jim Kelly into a hall of fame player after he had played in the Mouse Davis run and shoot stuff in the USFL. Through the K-gun and no huddle,letting Jim Kelly call his own plays. Building a terrific offensive line and installing the "counter trey" for the running game.He set up an amazing offense in Buffalo. The Colts re hired Ted marchibroda away from the Bills. Marchibroda is the forgotten man from that Bills dynasty. I think he is a big reason why Kelly and Thurman and Levy are all in the Hall. P.S. Marv also tried to hire Tom Coughlin to run his defense! That hire might have come close to the hiring of ole Ted but Tom Coughlin went elsewhere,to the Jags as their first head coach if I recall correctly.

I was there... cold and raining all game...water gushing down the steps. Pretty certain it was an NFL record, the first team to ever win the division that early in the season. 9-6 win in overtime. FAN-DEMONIUM !!! After the win I can recall watching in amazement as fans rushed by me jumping onto the field and heading toward the goal posts,then the posts came down and went up into the stands as fans passed them around the stadium .Awesome sight,have never seen anything like it since. One of my all time favorite games

My take is that Jauron gives his staff complete control over offense=Turk schonert-Defense Perry fewell- Special teams Bobby April. The latter is not a bad thing as Bobby April is one of the best in the NFL. Schonert is a rookie and Fewell is in his second year. Not a seasoned experienced staff by any means. Schonert needs to stop trying to throw on every down and I'm not a real big fan of the Tampa 2 defense either. So yea coaching leaves a lot to be desired on this team....That said simply running Marshawn 20-30 times a game can change everything! The Bills could go 11-5 if they will just run the rock

My take on JP is that he wanted to do the right thing all the time so he would wait until the primary receiver was open,which was a clear mistake,he should have just dumped it off like Edwards does. I noticed that this last game Trent Edwards looked an awful lot like JP did in his bad games.I think that is a result of the play calling and lack of running game. Schonert has been pass happy and its giving Edwards problems. Also he has been making some simple mental mistakes like not simply throwing the ball away when under duress rather then try and force a pass.

JP had four years...of what? different head coaches,different offensive coordinators. Out his first year with a broken leg. JP had some really good games and some bad games. That happens to almost every new young QB though. Lets not forget that Eli Manning was getting hammered by critics for his bad play and mental mistakes until the latter part of last year when the proverbial "lights" went on and he started playing great consistently. It took him four FULL years to finally get it! My take is if JP had started for the NY Giants instead of Eli and had that power running game behind him all this time while he learned to read defenses and garnered 4 solid years of experience, who is to say he wouldn't have developed as well as Eli? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drafted 04,broken leg in training camp and played backup to Bledsoe and only saw brief action in three games. 05,started 11 games in 2005,replaced by Kelly Holcomb for 5 games 06,Losman had a 62.5 completion percentage for the season, a record for Buffalo Bill quarterbacks in a full 16-game season. He was rated the 11th best passer in the NFL, with an 84.9 passer rating.Losman's performance over the last half of the 2006 season was greatly improved. However, the offense as a whole was hurt by a below-average rushing attack that created many 3rd and long situations. 07,played in 8 games So he really had one season to develop and with a weak running game it just makes it almost impossible for a new QB to play well. Want to blame someone,blame the play calling and lack of ground game. The Bills will continue to lose games when they force any young QB to carry the team

I agree Also,lets not forget that the NY Giants put up over 200 yards on the ground against that Ravens Defense. Running the ball will cure so many of this teams problems.The Bills have two really good running backs,they need to give Marshawn 25+ touches and Freddy at least 20.Trent Edwards should be throwing about 10-15 times a game max.Instead of this shotgun crap every single down.

This last game might be a blessing in disguise,maybe the OC will now try and run the ball more instead of throwing it every down!

I disagree, Lee Evens or any WR will only be as good a the QB Throwing to him. I won't blame at the receiver if the QB won't even throw his way.

What I think the majority of Bills fans don't get is the fact that Head Coach DicK Jauron has given complete autonomy to Offensive Coordinator Turk Schonert in play calling. Its the play calling that more at fault in my opinion. WTF are the Bills in the shotgun formation on the very first play? Constant use of the shotgun is what is screwing the team up.When you run play action it helps keep the linebackers from cheating up because they don't know if its a run or pass. In shotgun all the time it leaves no doubt so they drop deeper. I read more rants in this forum about the QB stinking up and losing the game.Its a team game...coaching,players,game plan. My take is Schonert saw that Trent had some success early in the season against some weaker teams so he opened up the passing game,and he keeps trying to win games by throwing the ball all the time.That plan might work if they didn't use the shotgun formation so often. I'm hoping that since Marshawn Lynch finally had the chance to show what he can do that perhaps Schonert will let him and Fred Jackson get more carries.

Go back and watch that NE game again and Schonert is over using the shotgun formation. He used it on THIRD and ONE THREE times against the Pats,all went incomplete. The only time the bills ran on third and one it went for a first down! If Coach Jauron takes any action it should be that he takes all the shotgun plays out of the playbook for now. The shotgun was designed to help a QB see what set the defense is in and is mostly used in 2nd,3rd and long like billsfan mentions.Schonert uses it constantly and in strange sitations. Seems like as soon as the Bills get behind by as little as seven points they go into full blown passing sets and ingnore the running game,which is completely stupid. The thing is Turk Schonert is a rookie signal caller and he is working with a 2nd year QB,both are inexperienced...

You forgot to mention....THREE FRIGGIN TIMES!!! Third and one yard and the Bills go shotgun and the pass goes incomplete!!! The Bills next play is a punt! The one time he calls a run on third and one it goes for a first down! Schonert is putting Trent Edwards is situations that is difficult for him to succeed. On another play Schonert calls shotgun on first down and then when its second and 10 he calls I formation and runs the ball.... needless to say the RB didn't go anywhere... So,he calls shotgun on first down and runs on second and long....oh yea he knows what he is doing

Good Point

While I agree with most of what you say here.The thing is people keep naming seasoned veteran star QB's who don't need running game to help them win. Like Payton Manning of the colts or Drew Brees of the saints,Tom Brady of the Pats.Kurt Warner of Ariz. These are seasoned veteran super bowl winning QB's,cept Brees. Plus the teams they are on have seasoned veteran O-lines for the most part and seasoned veteran COACHES. You can't compare the Bills players and coaches to veteran QB's who can carry a team by themselves. Trent Edwards is in his second year as is Marshawn Lynch. The thing that gets me is the patriots can lose the starting veteran QB and put in a back up who hasn't played football since high school. Then lose three running backs and pull a free agent nobody out of nowhere and have them all win games for them. Lastly, lets not forget the bills have two rookies on this years team making a huge impact... OC Turk Schonert and O-line coach Sean Kuglar

After the first week of the season and poor line play Redskin running back Clinton Portis called out his O-line and up to last week he was the leading rusher in the NFL,currently he is the second leading rusherSo his line responded. I'd say Ok to someone calling out ... but the Bills have some different circumstances. First, Marshawn is only in his second season and is not a veteran,either is Trent Edwards. Second,the Bills have two new rookie coaches and it is showing up big time.Offensive coordinator Turk Schonert and Offensive line coach Sean Kugler. While the OC is calling shotgun in the most inopportune times.like 3rd down and one three times against the pats,all went incomplete and the result was three punts,.this makes absolute no sense to me.The one time it was 3rd and one he called a running play it went for a first down. The Line speaks for itself,basically the same personnel as last year but playing horrifically bad this year. I'm not certain that "calling out" anyone at this point would help anything.Head Coach Dick Jauron needs to step up and take control of this situation and do his job. Coach and instruct his assistants properly....if he can

Last year the Team had so many Injuries and yet they played very well considering Trent and Marshawn were rookie's. That team was noted for over achieving. They played hard every game and you would figure that with the upgrades to the team that they would be even better this year.... Is it the two rookies this year in new OC Turk schonert and OL coach Sean Kuglar why now...

Couldn't agree more Either!!! New OC Turk Schonert is calling the most idiotic plays at the most inopportune times. Like 3 times he called shotgun on 3rd down and one...all for incomplete passes. He called shotgun on first down and then an I formation run on second and 10...makes no sense

While I admit Mr Ralph Wilson had fishooks in his pockets for the longest time...I still admire him. He did after all hire Bill Polian and the Bills did manage to go to four straight super bowls under him. ...COUGH How many times have the Cleveland browns been to the super bowl ?COUGH... They made fun of Marv Levy when he was first hired as the Bills head coach,he used the "wing T" at Kansas City while he was head coach.Now he is in the hall of fame! The problem with the Bills is the head coach is only as good as his assistants, remember Marv hired some great ones.Like Ted Marchibroda to run the offense!!! The Bills have two rookie coaches in key positions atm, Turk Schonert Offensive coordinator and Sean Kugler Offensive Line Coach and it is showing big time

I'm starting to hope the Bills O-line can learn how to "cut block",seems like that will be the only way to keep Trent Edwards from getting killed this season.

After reading these threads it makes me wonder if we are all watching the same game... There are other factors to consider.The Bills OC is calling the strangest plays at the most inopportune times,like shotgun on third and one.. THREE FRIKKIN TIMES against the pats and all went incomplete.Schonert is putting Trent is some plays its difficult to succeed in. The Offense has no running game,again Schonert calls shotgun on first down and then I formation run on second down and 10,makes no sense.

Dude its not funny....its kinda sad Kris Jenkins also had his way,the bills O-line were his bitches. There are other factors to consider.The Bills OC is calling the strangest plays at the most inopportune times,like shotgun on third and one.. THREE FRIKKIN TIMES against the pats and all went incomplete.Schonert is putting Trent is some plays its difficult to succeed in. The Offense has no running game,again Schonert calls shotgun on first down and then I formation run on second down and 10,makes no sense.