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Hi ieatcrayonz.... that is some pretty crazy logic you have goin on in that skull of yours. Reality=Trent Edwards is 5-1 with some really nice 4 qtr comebacks so far this year,he has played poorly in one game.Just made a bad decision to hold the ball out trying to be certain of getting the first down and one INT.Not like he turned in a JP performance . Edwards is still a very young QB and has a ton to learn. IF I'm going to throw some blame around for that loss I'd have to give Turk Schonert the lions share for not running the ball more

by IQFB.com While not officially a player for player swap, the Baltimore Colts and Los Angeles Rams participated in one of the most unusual, if not largest, trades in NFL history. In 1972, Baltimore Colts owner Carroll Rosenbloom traded the entire franchise (players, administration, equipment, everything) to Robert Irsay the then-owner of the Los Angeles Rams for his entire franchise. No people or equipment changed cities, one day Rosenbloom and Irsay owned the Colts and Rams respectively, and the next day they’d switched places as owners of those teams. In a strange coincidence, both teams would eventually leave their respective cities and relocate to play football in the Midwest. The Colts left Baltimore in 1984 and have since played as the Indianapolis Colts, while the Rams left Los Angeles in 1995 and became the St. Louis Rams. An interesting note regarding Super Bowl trophies: The Baltimore Colts won Super Bowl V and were presented of course with the Super Bowl trophy. In 1972, when he traded franchises with Irsay, Rosenbloom kept the Super Bowl Trophy and took it west with him to Los Angeles. The Colts petitioned the NFL, and the NFL gave the Colts a replacement Super Bowl Trophy. In the legal maneuvers surrounding the Colts leaving Baltimore for Indianapolis, they were forced to leave the replacement trophy in Baltimore as part of the settlement. So, until the Colts won Super Bowl XLI following the 2006 season they did not have a Super Bowl Trophy, even though the organization had also won Super Bowl V. Another connected story to this trading of franchises is centered on the legal help that the two owners received during the transaction. The entire deal was supervised by attorney Hugh Culverhouse. Culverhouse would later join these two as equals when he purchased the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers a few years later, he would go on to own them for a significant amount of time. I can recall Robert Irsay being the biggest jerk and meddling owner ever. He gave Bert Jones a house when he signed with the Colts. little did Bert know that it was his house only as long as he was with the team (fine print)! It was one of the reasons John Elway refused to play for the Colts. The best thing his son did when he took over the Colts was hire Bill Polian and the rest is history.

plz put down the crack pipe. Actually how how you work at your craft is a big reason why some players become superstars and others falling stars. Payton Manning comes to mind when you talk about work habits and practice and game study. He call his own plays and easily could be an offensive coordinator for any team in the league. His practice habits are unreal. He spends hours and hours practicing passing plays. Its probably why this year he started so slowly because of an injury he didn't practice prior to the first game of the season. Dan Marino spent his first off season with the dolphins practicing all summer with the marks bros, he set 6 NFL passing records that year. Hardy was a phenom in collage no doubt,he just needs to continue to get reps and some experience.

The Dallas Cowboys really over paid for Roy Williams considering few things. Granted he played for Detroit but his stats this year. 5 games 17 catches 232 yds and one TD. That one TD came this last week for Dallas.Roy is the 55th rated receiver in fantasy points so far this year, Arnaz Battle is ahead of him and even he thinks it was a bad deal. Another thought is that both Dallas and Philly also wanted him before this years draft but couldn't get a deal done at that time. Jones really wanted Williams for some reason and wouldn't let it go.Pretty sure Philly is happy with Desean Jackson instead of Williams. Last point is the collage draft.since the collective bargaining agreement is ending and things will soon change and have an impact on how much money rookies will make I'm hearing more and more players will want to get into the 2009 draft class. Which would make having extra draft picks a bonus. This is what you get with an owner that plays GM. Lee Evens is the 23 ranked WR in Yahoo fantasy board to start the season, and in actual fans points he is rated 9th at this point in time Santana Moss- Larry Fitzgerald-Roddy White-Andre Johnson-Greg Jennings-Calvin Johnson-Steve Smith-Anquan Bolden are ahead of him. Lee Evens value will rise as Trent Edwards progresses. Matt Ryan has suddenly turned Roddy White into a top ten receiver in fantasy leagues,that said I think its safe to say that a lot of how a well a receiver does is based on how that teams QB plays The Buffalo Bills thought enough of Lee Evens to lock him up with a huge contract. My take is Lee Evens is one of top receiver's in the NFL and his rating will always be tied to how well the Bills QB plays.

If we take away Trent's game at Miami I'd say TE 100%! He was playing as good as any other QB in the AFC before that game. He suddenly looked like a 2yr qb... But then I'm not sure why we threw the Ball so often when last year both #22 & #23 went over 100 yards against the Dolphins.The Bills rushed 40 carries for 224 yds in that game. Marshawn had only 13 carries and Freddy 10, Trent went 21/35 for 227

In my first post which you must not have read,I stated. I'd have to say the scouts and Bill Polian also watched Cornelius Bennett in collage and it was sort of a "no brainer'. I'm so glad the Colts really didn't get to keep the biscuit and the Bills managed to steal him away I <3 Bill Polian for what he did for the Buffalo Bills,so many HoF players on one team.

MY Quote Your Quote I was pointing out that the Bills beat them at Indy and that I recall the comment by the announcer that Bruce Smith was making Salisbury steaks when he caught Sean Salisbury in the end zone. It was the comment by the announcer that followed Sean Salisbury through out his career at ESPN P.S. The Colts did manage to get into the playoffs that year,while the Bills finished 7-8

Biscuit played for the Bills from 1987 to 1995 and was a key player in helping the bills reach four super bowls,the playoffs in 88,89. He made the Pro Bowl 88,90,91,92,93- 5 pro bowls. Cornelius Bennett played LOLB and Bruce Smith played RDE, those two raised hell for opposing teams offenses. I'm pretty certain that the Bills would gladly make that trade again. Don't forget he went to play for Atlanta after he left the Bills and they went to a super bowl with him. some stats In his 14 NFL seasons, he recorded 71 sacks, 7 interceptions, 112 return yards, 27 fumble recoveries, 78 fumble return yards, and 2 touchdowns (1 interception and one fumble return). At the time of his retirement, his 26 defensive fumble recoveries were the third most in NFL history.

I can recall watching Biscuit and Derrick Thomas help crush Southern Miss in 87,Thinking man whoever drafts those two will get some incredible players.They were both laughing on the sidelines after chasing down the opposing QB and backs it was so amazing. (I saw the same type of laughter from biscuit a few years later at the Bills AFC championship games.) Anyway,I can also recall being soooooo pissed that the colts had drafted him. Thinking OH MAN the Bills have to play this monster twice a year!!! We lost at home to the Colts 47-6 Oct 4th before the Biscuit! I think Gary Hogeboom the ex-Cowboy started that game and had his career best game against the Bills. Then we played the Colts on their turf with the biscuit and we beat them 27-3. Bruce Smith caught Sean Salisbury in the Colts end zone the announcer said Bruce was making Salisbury steaks! The Bills ended that year at 7-8 and everyone knew the team was going to be so much better the next few years. Cheers to Bill Polian. He brought in so much talent to Buffalo

Fred Jackson was in there for Marshan and couldn't get it in the end zone 3 straight carries! Why not address this statement part of the post? Your name is still fitting,plus your very dense. even when i prove you wrong on your statements you still think your correct. Some Fred Jackson stats NIFL/UIF career Jackson played two seasons for the Sioux City Bandits in the National Indoor Football League (2004) and the United Indoor Football League (2005). He was named the 2005 UIF co-MVP in 2005 as he ran for 1,770 yards and 41 touchdowns. 2006 Jackson was invited to the Buffalo Bills training camp and played in NFL Europa for the Rhein Fire. 2007 Jackson made his first career start against the Washington Redskins. In his first NFL start, Jackson rushed for 82 yards while catching 4 passes for 69 yards in a victory over the Washington Redskins. He became the first Division III running back to start an NFL game since December 24, 2000, when former Ferrum College running back Chris Warren started for the Philadelphia Eagles against Cincinnati. Fred Jackson is 5 years older then Marshawn and has some miles on him from NFL Europe and the NIFL. Who knows how much a player has in them until they hit the proverbial wall.Perhaps the coaches don't want to run Fred into the ground. The most physical postition in football is running back,bar none.They take immense pounding game after game. While I agree that Freddy is a very talented player,I'd still rather stand by what the coaches think about a player then what you think! Also take note that head coach Dick Jauron stated he thinks Marshawn Lynch has the biggest heart of any player he has ever known. That's a heck of a statement considering all the years he has played and coached.

My Quote If Fred Jackson was the better back he would be starting,PERIOD! your response Anthony Thomas was more prepared to play,he had been in the Bills system and preformed well in the past. Coaches never know when a player will "hit the wall",meaning they are done! Clearly the coaches saw that Thomas could no longer get the job done so they kept trying players until they found a star in Fred Jackson. Understand this fact Stupid Nation! The Bills coaches are paid to win football games they will field the player they think will get the job done most effectively. Not some crazy crap about " coaches are as biased as the front office to get their 1st rounders to play as much as possible unless there are solid starters ahead of them. " ( your words) Again I'll go back to Kyle Williams getting the Job over John McCargo.The 7th rounder beat out the 1st rounder.

And no, Edwards didn't win the position more than JP got hurt and then called himself out. If JP never got injured he would have played all 16 games. That's reality, something you want to dismiss for your ridiculous assertions I never made. That's not reality. JP won his job back but played very poorly in losing to the Jags and the Pats and would have most likely lost his job to Trent Edwards even if he had never been injured. Dick Jauron has showed me he wants to win football games! He has shown me that he will play the best player irregardless of what position he has in the draft or if he is a free agent or walk on. If that player shows he can do the job better then others he will start!

(your statement) Reality dictates that coaches play the front-office picks over mid-grade players (not entrenched starters who show up) not because they are better, but to protect the business side of the game with the excitement of the draft. Holy cow this statement is utter horse crap,reality dictates that coaches will put the best player on the field that they think will do the best job in order to win football games! Good lord your name is fitting! Its your opinion and your entitled to it even though its one of the most retarded statements I've ever read. Coaches are paid to win games and they will field the player that THEY think will let them win games and NOT because its a "front office pick". Kyle Williams comes to mind, 7th rd pick started over John McCargo who was a first rd pick! Would the front office like to see John McCargo starting,you bet! But the fact is the late rounder played better so he started. Again we can mention Jason Peters who by your statement would never get a chance to start simply because he was a free agent and the foolish coaches would only start "the front-office picks". ( your words) You actually think that that the front office would rather "protect the business side of the game with the excitement of the draft" then have the coaches field the best player so they can win?

I'm not goin goo goo ga ga over anything,I think your simply not giving due props for having been selected to one pro bowl. I put up Brian Mitchells stats and you went goo goo ga ga over them,stating he should be in the HoF but discounted Steve Tasker because he managed to go to the PB SEVEN TIMES! The very next time you talk with an NFL player why don't you ask THEM how special it is to be selected to even ONE pro bowl Start with Daryl Tally or London Fletcher,like i said earlier if you can't understand how special it is to be named 7 times to the pro bow... then

Apparently,you put no value on a player being voted into the pro bowl and from your earlier statement you think that stats are the only way to value a player for HoF consideration.That's a one sided view IMO. There are several areas to look at for HoF consideration,length of career-stats-impact on the game-recognized by peers / fans/coaches/sports writers with a PB selection. So yea, pro bowls mean something to me.Being voted pro bowl MVP is significant.How many Buffalo Bills have been named MVP of the pro bowl? My take is that some players spend their entire career playing their hearts out and never once get recognized for their efforts with a PB vote,the list is endless. The first player that comes to my mind is Daryl Tally.To be voted to the pro bowl 7 times is something special.

I agree that Brian Mitchell was worthy of HoF consideration by showing his stats,not just mentioning his name. I also wanted to point out as good as he was he only made the pro bowl ONCE! If you can't see the significance between being voted to a pro bowl once and being voted in seven times Also,that was back in the day where the players were the only ones allowed to vote, I thinks its pretty amazing that Tasker was voted in 7 times and not as a KR/ PR which makes it even more amazing. Thurman Thomas 5x PB Bruce Smith 11x PB Andre reed 7x PB Jim Kelly 4x PB Kent hull 3x PB Will Wolford 3x PB Ruben Brown 8x PB

Good point but!, Bill Bates was more of an outstanding special teams "ace" later in his career.He started as a safety / linebacker and made the Pro bowl once in 1984 as a safety. He played only for the Cowboys from 1983 to 1997 and mostly as a safety over half his time with Dallas. I agree, Brian Mitchell should also get consideration for the HoF based on his return stats. He made the pro bowl once in 1985 He was well known as a kick returner, and is the NFL's second all time leader in total yardage (23,330), thanks in large part to his 14,014 yards from kickoff returns and his 4,999 punt return yards. Both are NFL records. He also rushed for 1,967 yards on 388 carries (avg. 5.1 rushing yards), caught 255 passes for 2,336 yards, recovered 20 fumbles for 14 return yards, and scored 29 touchdowns (4 kickoff returns, 9 punt returns, 12 rushing, 4 receiving). His 13 special teams touchdowns are also an NFL record. His 9 punt return touchdowns are 2nd behind Eric Metcalf (10). He is also one of only four players to record four seasons of over 2,000 total yards, (the others being Marshall Faulk, Dante Hall and Tiki Barber) and missed out on a fifth by only five yards. Steve Tasker made it to the pro bowl SEVEN TIMES!!! He was named MVP in one of those pro bowl appearances. AS A GUNNER!!! NOBODY has done it better,EVER! Special teams ace Steve Tasker of the AFC Champion Buffalo Bills earned the Dan McGuire Trophy as the game's most valuable player for making four tackles, forcing a fumble and blocking a field goal. His block came at a crucial point with just 8 minutes left and the game tied at 13. Los Angeles Raiders Terry McDaniel scooped up the ball and raced 28 yards to give the AFC a 20-13 lead.

Let me ask a few questions to all those Bills fans out there. Has any other special teams players ever made it to the pro bowl seven times as a gunner? Has any other special teams player been named as pro bowl MVP He was the first player to establish himself as a major star almost exclusively through special teams play without being either a kicker or a return man. Can anyone even think of another special team player who lasted 14 years in the NFL,2 with Houston and 12 with the Bills

The way a team game plans for an opponent is by watching endless film of their tendencies. What plays do they run the most,what plays are they most successful with. They study film over and over trying to look for weakness in opposing defenses and on how best to attack an offense. One of the reasons Bill Belichick is so successful at his job is because he is noted for film study and breaking down an opponent and finding their weakness. Eric Mangini who is a Belichick disciple started out in the film room for the Browns under Belichick and is also very learned on how to beat an opponent with film study. If you ever had to chance to listen to some of the 1990 Bills defensive players talk about Dan Marino's tendencies you could better understand what I'm saying here. Dan was a hall of famer but the Bills could watch his pre-snap position behind center and they knew exactly when he was going to pass and when it was a run on every play.They could even tell you who his target was on most pass plays.So basically it was much easier to defend against him.( Clearly if he is in shotgun they know more then likely its a pass.) When the Bills play another team you can bet that the opposing team's game plan has one primary goal in mind, that is to stop Marshawn Lynch on first and second down and make the Bills throw to try and make the first down. The main game plan for any NFL team is to try and get an opponent into 3rd and long and make them throw. So far this year opposing teams have been successful on stopping the Bills running game and holding the primary RB to under 100 yards The opposing teams know and understand Marshawns tendencies,they also study every player on the O-line as well. They know who the weakest link is on the Bills o-line and that's where they attack them.You can't hide anywhere in the NFL,the more you play the more an opponent will study you and learn how best to beat you. My point! It appears to me that usually most teams don't study the back up as much as they do the starter,this is usually why a back up player sometimes looks more successful during games. Watch that Miami game again,for some reason the Bills threw way more then then ran the ball. That kind of makes me ask why considering the last game against the Dolphins the Bills had two 100+ runners Both Fred and Marshawn each went over 100 yds The weakest part of the Buffalo Bills offense is not Trent Edwards,its not the running backs. Go back and watch some of the games and ask some questions. 1. Is there an opening anywhere on the line of scrimmage once the back gets to the line? 2. how many defenders are at the opening once the back hits it ,if any? 3. are the lineman holding blocks long enough? 4. does the O-line at the of scrimmage move forward at all on a running play or are they stopped? 5 are the bills making a concerted effort to even establish a running game ?

On the contrary, the coaches did make the decision! First JP was hurt during game 3 against NE. Trent Edwards took over for JP and played well but the Bills lost that game. Trent kept the starting job until he was hurt 4 games later in the Jets game and JP replaced him. JP played very well in that Jet game. He played well against Cincy in the next week which the Bills won. JP's next game was a win against Miami. JP kept the starting Job for the next 2 games, both loses to the pats and Jags. It was then that Dick Jauron made the decision to sit a healthy JP and to play a healthy Trent Edwards. [in his first game, Edwards was 10 of 20 for 97 yards with no touchdowns and one interception. In his first NFL start on September 30, 2007 against the New York Jets, he went 22-28 with 234 yards with 1 touchdown and 1 interception and led the Bills to their first win in the 2007 season. His first NFL touchdown was a 1 yard play action pass on fourth and goal to Michael Gaines. In his second start, against the Dallas Cowboys on the following week's Monday Night Football, Edwards completed 23 of 31 pass attempts for 176 yards and 1 interception. External images Faceshot In October, Edwards injured his wrist during a game against the New York Jets and Losman regained the starting position. Following some poor performances by Losman, particularly in a division contest against New England and a conference game against the Jaguars, on November 26, 2007, Bills coach Dick Jauron again named Edwards the starter against the Washington Redskins.[7] Edwards led the Bills to victory over the Redskins, throwing no interceptions and leading his first fourth-quarter comeback, completing three passes to set up the game-winning field goal, for which he was named the NFL Rookie of the Week.[8] The following week against the winless Miami Dolphins, he passed for 165 yards and a career high four touchdown passes with no interceptions to lead the Bills to a 38-17 win. Despite losing the last three games of the season, Edwards was named to the all-rookie team after the season was completed.

A point about Fred Jackson.Just because a player looks great in a preseason game doesn't automatically mean that he will play great when the real hitting starts. First, the NFL is a business,everyone in it is doing a job that they are paid to do,coaches and players. There is a hierarchy with both players and coaches for a reason. Position coach,line coach, OC and head coach. Each of these coaches sits down every week and does an evaluation process on the players they are responsible for,ultimately the head coach makes the decisions on who starts and who sits. Unless of course the HC has an unusual amount of trust in his assistants. When a player enters a regular season game he needs to be fully prepared, he must know his job inside and out. Plays,calls,signals,schemes,routes,hot reads,game plan etc. The coach that says a player is ready to start is putting his job on the line when that player takes the field. Some players may look great simply running straight ahead through gaping holes in a preseason game,then when the bullets start flying in a regular season game they miss assignments,make mistakes and can cost the team a game and someone a job!. Fred Jackson looked really good in the preseason back in 07, do you happen to know for a fact StupidNation that he was ready to start? Did you honestly know if he understood all the plays,blocking schemes,routes? Its the reason the players practice over and over,perfecting their skills and understanding of the game plan.There is an order to who is listed on the depth chart for each position and the players listed first get most of the repetitions during practices. Thus a player listed #1 gets the most reps, #2 less reps #'s 3-4 and beyond might not get any reps. Last year after marshawn went down I'm certain the conversation in the coaches room went something like this. Hey,some guy named StupidNation who watched the Bills preseason games on TV seems to think # 22 is ready to start over the players 3 spots ahead of him on the depth chart. He hasn't had many reps and we are not sure if he understands his responsibilities,should we say screw our jobs and roll the dice and start him in hope that he won't mess up and lose us the game ?

Hardy was phenom in collage no doubt,that said look how long it took for Josh Reed to develop. If the Bills wanted a burner that could fly I'm certain Desean Jackson would have been drafted. The Bills wanted a plax type player.He will get his chance to start this week,lets hope he makes progress faster then Vernon Davis

Jeez, if your gonna sling around facts at least get them straight Marshawn missed 3 games last year. NE-Home-@ Jac and @ Was and Anthony Thomas started NE and Jac,Fred only started the game at washington and his avg was 5.2 for that game NIFL/UIF career Jackson played two seasons for the Sioux City Bandits in the National Indoor Football League (2004) and the United Indoor Football League (2005). He was named the 2005 UIF co-MVP in 2005 as he ran for 1,770 yards and 41 touchdowns. 2006 Jackson was invited to the Buffalo Bills training camp and played in NFL Europa for the Rhein Fire. 2007 Jackson made his first career start against the Washington Redskins. In his first NFL start, Jackson rushed for 82 yards while catching 4 passes for 69 yards in a victory over the Washington Redskins. He became the first Division III running back to start an NFL game since December 24, 2000, when former Ferrum College running back Chris Warren started for the Philadelphia Eagles against Cincinnati. On December 9th, 2007, in a victory over the Miami Dolphins, Jackson rushed for 115 yards with a long of 27 yards to top the 100-yard rushing mark for the first time in his NFL career. Teammate Marshawn Lynch rushed for 107 yards, marking the first time the Buffalo Bills had two players rush for 100-plus yards in the same game since 1996 when Thurman Thomas and Darick Holmes accomplished the feat. In breaking the century mark, Jackson became the first Division III running back to gain over 100 yards since Warren accomplished the feat in 1998 while playing with the Philadelphia Eagles. Fred Jackson is 5 years older then Marshawn and has some miles on him from NFL Europe and the NIFL.While I agree that Freddy is a very talented player,I'd still rather stand by what the coaches think about a player then what you and I think!

Your name is fitting "The full paragraph" quote the entire paragraph and it speaks for itself, I suppose you can take one sentence out of context and make it anything you want. NFL coaches don't coach for the fun of the game. its their profession,they get paid big bucks to do their job! Fred Jackson showed some signs of big play ability in the pre-season last year and the coaches noticed.He got his chance to play and showed that he can preform at the NFL level.I'm not denying that Fred is a really good running back,he is cut in the mold of Kevin Faulk of the Patriots and the Bills use him as such. Can he carry the full load of 20+ carries a game and still do change of pace,3rd down / passing duty? If Marshawn ever gets a serious injury we will find out won't we. Until then I'll trust the coaches to know more then someone who sits at home and watches the game on TV. I'm not entirely certain if its the Bills 'zone' blocking scheme that is at fault or some the O-line players lack of ability to drive / run block,or both.