SageAgainstTheMachine

This might belong in the Prop 8 thread, but it deals with a specific question that I'm looking for some insight on. I was speaking to a right-wing friend of mine yesterday about Prop 8, and he leaned on an argument that I seem to hear a lot. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but the gist is "Being gay is wrong because it isn't natural. You don't see that in nature. How can we let them marry each other?" Can somebody (maybe somebody who thinks this way as well) help me understand the meaning behind this? Let's just assume that gay sex is unnatural (from the perspective of pragmatism, a child can't be produced from the union). How exactly does that make it WRONG? Our entire humanity is based on things that aren't "natural". Driving cars, drinking bottled water, playing organized sports, going to college, working in an office. I don't see other animals doing those things in nature. So, are they wrong? I honestly don't understand the point. Hell, even heterosexual marriage isn't natural. We don't have any deeply ingrained animal instinct telling us to be monogamous...quite the opposite actually. Why don't we just ban marriage altogether, since it isn't "natural"? Why do we draw this parallel from unnatural to wrong?

1) One player doing something well does not always mean another player was exposed...sometimes there are just good plays, just like in a game 2) People should do whatever the hell they want, including applause. Geeze, lighten up.

Wow, aj, that's some pretty scary stuff. As one of the increasingly few reliably good posters on this board, make sure that you stick around. Is losing weight the solution to the problem?

It's hardly "highly likely". I don't think there's anything to suggest we're worse this year than the last few years, especially considering the new football culture that seems to be happening.

Yeah man, no worries. I wasn't accusing your friend of trying to steal or anything, but if a good piece of literature were to hypothetically come of this, intellectual property can be a pretty tricky thing.

Thanks for the link, Woody. Seems like an original idea. I do sort of wonder...if somebody (such as myself), were to produce something actually worth publishing on this site, would it belong to your friend?

Was the man. Iz died in 1997 unfortunately, but he's to blame...morbid obesity and drug addiction are bad enough on their own, much less mixing the two.

Not to mention Mario Kart and the original super smash bros. I used to work at a Hollywood Video where people could rent games. One day, this kid came in complaining about a scratch on the disk. I jokingly told him that in my day, I would just blow on the cartridge. Didn't go over very well with the brat

The Bills, for the most part, are holding the chips here. If Spiller was a star offensive tackle, he and his agent could strong-arm the organization. Because of Freddie and Marshawn, there's not exactly a tremendous immediate need.

Yeah, my roommate owns a Wii, but I've only played it once or twice. N64 and SNES all the way for me.

Wow, I'm a bad member of the gaming generation. I had no idea with the OP was talking about until I read the comments.

LIAR! I saw Inception the other day. Impressive film, especially aesthetically. Very good acting too. But the praise, in my opinion, has been a bit overblown.

If I' m not mistaken, Triceratops evolves into Torosaurus at Lvl. 35, or upon using a Moon Stone. It masters Horn Drill, an automatic KO, upon evolution.

He said 300 yards, and then do it again. That's 600 yards. 1800 feet. A little over a third of a mile. Is my math still wrong?

Not really. That's like a third of a mile total.

Did the thread title get anybody else thinking of drinking a nice Sam Adams?

Seems like you're making just as many assumptions as John was, having not actually been there. And why do you sardonically say Fred "The Golden Boy" Jackson? The dude was our best player last season.

I don't recall mentioning Peters. My point is that you can't take advanced statistics and just throw them out the window because they don't agree with what you (I presume an enthusiastic fan, but not an expert) perceived.

Umm, the stats ARE reality. At least part of the reality. They obviously don't paint the entire picture, but they can tell us a lot more than the untrained eye of a fan.

I don't believe you. It's impossible to understand what Leodis is saying.

And by the way, you're complaining about somebody using internet muscles after you called a guy a moron for not knowing an obscure fact.

The true irony that you don't realize is that the poster you corrected wasn't even being serious.

You don't get to say "I told you so" before he throws a pass.

Overreact much?

I used to be into Cesium, but it got way too derivative for me.