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One, I posted that before Brady said that. Two, I sold him as a featured pass catcher, not as a run blocker.

Documentary was great. He is the GOAT at RB as far as I’m concerned, and it’s a clear choice for me.

Agree and thanks, hope you had a great day and holiday I disagree with some of this and agree with some of it. But overall a fair reply

Buy: Joe Brady - The differences in how he ran the offense were clear as day. And I don’t think it’s a fluke. I do think his stock is on the rise. If we beat Phi, KC, and Dallas and the offense is rolling in and Jose games, he is going to start having a strong case to have “interim” removed from his title. Sell: Gabe Davis - While I don’t expect no catches every week, guys like Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook are earning their reps in the pass games. We still have Knox coming back too. There is only so many footballs to go around and Davis is quickly falling down the pecking order for Josh. Hold: The Defense - It’s been playing well, Rasul and Linval are living up to their excitement of adding them, which is great/. But, we have 3 top end offenses in a row this D needs will face, and there aren’t any Zack Wilson’s on the other side of the field.

I get all that, but that also doesn’t make it wrong always to take a RB at 12 either. That is my main point, they got killed over it just because they picked him at 12. And honestly if there was a redraft today he would probably go before 12.

No he has not reached his ceiling.

All great points too

I didn't say that though, I said we don't know if they still would have gone WR once the big 3 were gone. They liked Diggs more than the remaining rookie prospects is all we know, and its not like he was wrong about Diggs. Jefferson may have very well still been the pick. And you can't blame Beane or any GM for that matter for not knowing Jefferson would be this good, no one knew he would be and that is an impossible thing to know for anyone.

No offense, but no GM or Coach cares at all about "positional value" once the draft is done. That is jargon for fans and draft pundits and has no relevancy in the real football world. It's about what those guys do on the football field...whether or not they took a player a littler earlier than draft analysts or mock drafters suggested is not something they remotely care about. And they took 4 starters in the first 2 rounds that have helped them to an 8-2 record and in the hunt for the #1 seed in the NFC. I doubt many are negatively questioning their Gibbs selection anymore. And not sure why you think Gibbs hasn't been very good, he has 5 TD's in his last 4 games since he took on a bigger role with Montgomery went down. He has almost 800 total yards despite being in a timeshare with TD vulture Montgomery for a large part of the season too. Gibbs and LaPorta are a big part of their offense and look to be forces for them this year and the foreseeable future.

Fair points as well...however couple things about that in a minor counter as you already covered most of them: We don't know for sure Jefferson would have been our pick if we didn't make the trade. Remember, Beane said they made the trade because they did not expect a WR they would want would last until their pick. And that was the year where the big 3 were Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb and all were highly anticipated to go before our pick. As elite as Jefferson is, he wasn't a sure fire pick there as some questioned how he would fare on the outside in the NFL. The staff wanted to be sure they landed a sure fire stud at WR to help Josh's development, and the draft is a crap shoot regardless of the prospect rank. Ruggs was doing very little before he ruined his career and Jeudy has been a bust in regards to his draft hype. Lamb has not been the receiver Diggs was either and really this year finally starting to show true WR1 top end ability. And those were all the 3 consensus top guys and Jefferson was firmly behind them. So yeah, we could have had Jefferson, and he was good out the gate. But there was no way to know that pre-draft that he would be the best WR in the draft, and Diggs was exactly what they wanted both in personality and ability. Adding Diggs brought not only that WR1 to help Josh take the next step, but it brought swagger and a passion to win that is matched by few, something this locker room needed. And I was a guy assumed those 3 would be gone and Jefferson was my top choice of who we thought would be there. And many posters here didn't like Jefferson. But when the trade happened I was still ecstatic as I will take the known top end talent over a rookie roll of the dice every time, especially when Josh was on his rookie deal and we didn't have cap concerns.

Yes excellent points too, and I was all for the FG to go up 9. Keep the momentum, make it a 2 score game, and take points. Especially with the Jets offensive struggles, making it a 2 score game was big there.

Only one person thought he had a D grade before the season started? Where are all the people here who were saying Beane sucks and has a bad draft record prior to the season starting?

Good write up and thanks for the insight and data On this part, I can't speak for the media or other posters...but the only "should not run in gun" stuff I can directly recall is the bone head Dorsey call in back to back weeks on 3rd down and goal inside the 1 when you have Josh Allen at QB. In back to back weeks, inside the 1 on 3rd down Dorsey called a run from shotgun to Murray. On both plays Bills lost yards. First one, Bills went for it and got the TD on a throw on 4th down. Against the Pats the next week we went for again also and did not convert and got 0 points against Pats, a game we lost by 1 score later that game. There is no run from shotgun, or any formation for that matter, that would have a better statistical conversion rate as a QB Sneak or Tush Push would from inside the 1 yard line with Josh Allen. And clearly they were going for it regardless (since they did go for it both times on 4th), so you had 2 chances to get less than a yard for a score with Josh Allen on a sneak or tush push. A play which I believe I saw a stat that it has an 85% success rate on down and 1 or less across the league and the Bills convert over Allens career at a higher rate than that. And you got 2 plays to get it making it well over a 90% chance to score within those 2 plays. Dumb part, is they snuck Allen later after this to get a first down but not on the goal line.

AJE couldn't get on the field a lot early either...I wouldn't write off Elam yet. There are real question marks about Tre's future as this is another tough injury to come back from. There could still be a place for Elam here who has shown flashes. Elam's story is a 3 part story IMHO: Tre, Benford and Dane were all good DB's in their own right and wasn't going to be easy for Elam to beat them out. Elam's fit into this defense depended on how well he could improve in certain areas of his game. He went on IR shortly after the opportunity for more playing time arose. One thing we know about Elam is he is dedicated to his craft and getting better. So I think its too early to give up on Elam right now. We have seen plenty of rookies struggle to make an impact early on and then really turn it on when their number was called. Look at AJE, Cook, Shakir, Bernard, etc who didn't contribute a lot as rookies but later have as their opportunities increased. I do also personally think trading draft picks for Diggs should count on his draft performance. Diggs is the palyer he netted with picks, and that trade had plenty of skeptics and critics too when it happened. Flipping picks to land an elite player that impacted this team as much as Diggs did is as much a homerun as drafting one IMHO.

And that is just it...confident, no hesitation Josh is one of the few that can make that throw. When Josh isn't confident and is even a fraction late on that throw, its a Sauce INT. It was nice to see him have his swagger back.

Devin was a good player for us, he was under used. Its not like Devin stunk and then went somewhere else to get good. He had a great YPC here, but we were an aggressive pass offense with a QB who could run. Any RB we had here under Daboll wasn't going to be a staple of the offense here, that was not how Daboll ran his offense. So that isn't on Beane. This is a fair take and can't really disagree with much of it. I was here with you until the emergence we have seen from several of our younger players this year. The ability to find pretty good to very good players outside of the 1st round just put me over the top enough to raise his grade to an A. But I also feel its fair to want to wait until some of those young guys on the rise like Kincaid, Cook, and Bernard reach "great" status on their own before you are willing to elevate your grade.

Love it, he needs that confidence and swagger back! Funny, the Shakir pass is one of those wow plays that even a fraction of a hair off was an INT where people would be killing him...but when Allen is on and confident, he hits those so much more often than he doesn't. The real question is how will Allen, Brady, and the offense respond when there is a hiccup and things aren't going great? Can they keep that swagger, adjust, and come right back like they used to or will they get in a rut again like they did during that 6 week slump? Personally, I think this is the start of a full turn around for this offense.

That is fair, but at the same time, a LOT goes into winning a championship or not. 31 teams are disappointed every year including one who makes the SB. It is easy to make a case that in 2021 Beane put the best roster in the NFL on the field and saw a ST coaching blunder fumble it away in 13 seconds. 2022 can't blame Beane for Tre not being himself, Von getting hurt, Hamlin scare, Knox brothers death, mass shooting, deadly blizzards, Araiza false accusation, Daboll getting a HC gig, etc etc that all impacted the team throughout the year. So when it comes to grading his drafts, I am going to put aside the fact we have not yet won a SB because so much more than just his role as a GM goes into that.

Bonus Points: Devin and Moss showing they can be good RB's when featured on other teams too I think furthers Beane's draft track record too. Daboll and Dorsey just failed to get them more involved here.

Good question...I only care because I bet on him every year to win it for 3 years now straight lol. I make the same $100 bet each year, so he needs to win it in the next couple years for me to be ahead when he does win it without having to up my bet lol.

I find most people's take on draft night are rooted in 2 silly things...the stupid over valuing of what "draft number" they were taken at and what limited amount of names they know vs the many ones they don't know. This past draft, I argued in a number of threads (I think I even started my own about it) that the Lions had maybe the best draft in the NFL when everyone was giving them the lowest grade...and why did they get a low grade, because they took a "RB" at 12 in Gibbs. So stupid...they landed the 2nd best RB prospect, the best LB prospect, the best S prospect, and the 2nd best TE prospect all in the first 2 rounds. I told everyone it does not matter where a player is drafted once the pads go on, it matters what that players brings to their team. And so far, the Lions draft class is paying off huge for them and a massive reason they are 8-2 including that RB pick everyone hated the draft slot of. While draft convo is always fun, really grading anyones draft before players have played a single down is pretty pointless and useless. That is why it usually takes 3 seasons to really know how a draft really graded out.

I disagree...Josh wanted Dorsey, so that played a lot into it and its pretty typical to promote within. So hard to fault them for elevating Dorsey when Daboll got a HC gig. And while I agree, Dorsey should have been fired sooner, its also not a surprise they stuck with him to see if he could turn it around first. But he made the change, and hopefully it wasn't too late. 12 men on the field I won't argue with, even though that is the ST Coordinators primary job, the HC needs to catch that too, so that is fair criticism.

Forget out team record this year (there are a lot of factors in that)...but one silver lining has been we have seen a lot of young players begin to emerge into good to even great players for us this year. So I am curious if the emergence of these young players, many of which were written off or not thought much of prior to the start of the season, has impacted people's view of his draft history. Personally, I already thought Beane had done well in the draft...but he obviously still had his fair share of critics around here. Some of those players include: AJE, Bernard, Benford, Shakir, Cook, Kincaid, O'Cyrus, Dorian, and even Oliver to an extent. AJE - (2nd round)A long time whipping boy around here despite having a mini breakout last year with 6.5 sacks in a rotational role. He has become a very good player for us this season already matching his sack total last year and on pace for 10 sacks, plus he has an INT and defensive TD. Bernard - (3rd round)Labeled a bust by many the moment he was drafted and considered a major liability by most heading into this season. But he has been one of the defenses best players for this team on the season. Benford - (6th round) Seen as a guy only playing because Elam wasn't ready to winning the 3 way battle and playing like a starting corner. Shakir - (5th round) Disregarded by many just because he fell to the 5th round, falsely labeled by many of not having good hands mostly because of one tough catch in the playoff last year. Now he is becoming a staple in the offense with his snap count rising from 10% week 1 to now 80% nearly this week. Has the best catch rate on the team. Cook - (2nd round) Considered a change of pace 3rd down back with little value as a featured runner. Currently 2nd in the NFL in rushing yards despite Dorsey's struggle with consistently involving him and looking like a long term important player for this offense right now. Kincaid - (1st round) He did have a lot of hype, but was too early to know, but he is proving that hype is legit and now the 2nd best receiving weapon on the team. O'Cyrus - (2nd round) Instant starter and while he has had some rookie struggles, he has really made an impact on the OL for the most part. Oliver - (1st round) Most were against his extension, now he not only is proving he was worth it, he has become one of the elite DT's in the NFL this year under McD's defense. So has this impacted your view of his draft history seeing these guys really start to emerge and breakout this year? NOTE: I think AJE, Cook, and O'Cyrus play is getting to the point that the old "Beane can't draft in the 2nd round" criticism is headed for retirement. For the record, my vote was: B Grade A Grade Better

Beane has made a lot of very good picks, so it may be a tad early to label Kincaid the 2nd best just yet. However, he is certainly trending that way. But Oliver is in that convo, but also guys like Cook, Bernard, Benford, etc have great cases given where he found those picks too. Kincaid is supposed to be a stud, those guys were after thoughts by most people here and are very good players for us now.

How did McD create this mess? Was it his fault we lost Tre, Milano and Daquan? I mean he has done a pretty epic job at managing the defense despite the loss of those guys along with other guys missing time like Benford, Bernard, Oliver, etc along the way too. And if 1 game is any indicator of what is to come, Dorsey was the "mess" of the offense, and McD made the change to fix that. So I am not sure what "mess" you are referring to that you are pinning solely on McD other than to just do a blanket blame McD for everything because you have been against McD as the HC for a while. He was a raw rookie lmao. And BOTH McD and Beane said the plan was Allen to start week 1 until the 3rd preseason game almost got Allen killed by the OL and they didn't want to throw him to the wolves and let him get a little more practice time in given how bad the OL was before putting him out there. That is the ONLY reason Peterman started, and he didn't make it through a game before they had enough and said screw it, we need to go with Allen.