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Yeah, what makes Kupp special is his sudden movement speed combined with how smart he is as a player. But, Puka Nacua is an interesting one to bring up. Having watched him all year, I kept saying (even posted on here) that if Shakir had been in LA this year instead of Puka, he would have put up a big season too with a target load like that. However, Puka plays bigger than Shakir, so not sure their styles line up as much as say their roles would. I think Shakir would have filled in that role in a similar fashion statistically, but Puka does use that size in his play and is a bit more physical in his game before the catch. Shakir is physical after the catch, but he doesn't have the size or arm length to play big before the catch.

Sorry that just isn't accurate. Kupp was not seen as a true WR1 prior to the Stafford season, that was the point. I live in LA, watch every Rams game. When he had 92 and 94 catches, he only broke 1000 yards once and Robert Woods operated more as the WR1 role, but most people kind of felt the Rams had two WR2 guys in Woods and Kupp. Kupp did not enter true WR1 and top end WR status until that monster year with Stafford that no one saw coming where he had 800 more yards than his best career season. By the way, Kupp only has 2 seasons in his career over 1000 yards. But see...here is the issue. STATS don't compare styles. You are comparing stats. I am talking about the style of play. Shakir and Kupp have a similar style of play and if you watch both long enough you can see it. Shakir openly discusses studying Kupp and patterning his game off how he plays too. Are they the exact same player no, but they have similar styles. And sorry, picking the 3 best stat lines (which are mostly mediocre) of a long career full of sub par stat lines for Moore does not at all translate into a fair comparison to Shakir. Again, I will with extreme confidence say he will have a better career and be a better player than Lance Moore was. He was a decent role player with a couple decent seasons in his career, but that was about it.

All good, this isn't one of those things where I am going to tell everyone they are wrong. More just putting it out there now where my level of confidence is, and has always been, with Shakir in this league. I have done a few of these Calling it now posts and all have been spot on or very close to spot on because I only do it when I really feel it. And I can't tell you why, but I have just always felt it about Shakir going back to college. And agree, the Beasley comparison makes no sense at all. Honestly, those people comparing him to Beasley are just making a lazy comparison because they see them both as slot WRs even though they are not remotely similar as players. Cole was quick, not fast. He was smart, not tough. He was a move the chains slot guy, not a make a big play slot guy. Don't get me wrong, Cole was a very good slot WR, he was just solely a slot WR and a short area specialist. Shakir can move inside and outside, he is fast and can beat you downfield. He isnt as fast as Cole with that sudden movement, but few are, and Shakir is still quick himself with good route running to go with it. All good, I am glad you at least see him as a valuable player. But I do think you find out he is more than you are giving him credit for this upcoming season. And if I am wrong, so be it, he will still be a valuable role player and fun to watch, that much he has already proved.

As you can see by the responses here...most still see him as more of a role player as I was saying. Nothing wrong with that, but this is what I mean when I say I believe everyone is about to see the arrival of Shakir as more than just a role player many think he is.

All good, its why I started this thread. A lot of people feel the same as you, nothing wrong with that. Honest question...did you watch the highlight video? I think people forget the kind of plays he was making when he got opportunities. These were not just a bunch of simple plays. The route running, concentration, hands, body control, physicality, YAC ability were all on display. I think people still have a limited view of him based on his draft slot of the 5th round because what he has shown glimpses of on the field is pretty strong.

And thats fair...that just means it will be even more fun for you when you find out this year HA

Rex wouldn't have the record McD has to keep him around this long.

No disrespect, but I can confidently say he will be a much better player than Lance Moore. I am not saying he is as good as Kupp, but no one thought Kupp was a WR1 until he had a monster season with Stafford one year and got an insane 191 targets. For Kupp, it was a change at QB and almost 200 targets to break out into legit WR1 discussions...for Shakir, it might just be the removal of a 160 target hog of Diggs. But he does pattern his game off of Kupp and studies him, and I felt his college tape reminded me a lot of Kupp even before he said that just in style of play. Big difference though between Shakir and Kupp is Shakir is quite a bit faster than Kupp down field (4.43 compared to a 4.64 forty time) but Kupp has excellent sudden movement so he plays a lot faster than his 40 time suggests in the short and mid areas of the field where he eats the most.

If he gets 80 receptions, he will definitely be over 1000 yards. He is too good after the catch not to be. Cole was amazing at getting to a spot and making the play to move the chains. He wasn't the YAC guy that Shakir is, Cole was easy to take down and tackle.

I don't disagree, I even referenced his season as a mini breakout last year and some are seeing what I have been saying since 2022, but most are still over looking him and what his potential now is with Diggs gone. Most still think of him as more of a role player.

Heading into the draft in 2022 I posted about keeping an eye on Shakir and the Bills. I missed rounds 3 and 4 and came back to the draft right as we were announcing our pick in the 5th having no idea he was still on the board and was stunned when they called his name and thought I misheard it because I figured he would go in rounds 2 or 3. I was thrilled when we called his name, maybe the most excited I have ever been about a pick that wasn't an early round choice, and I have been maybe his biggest cheerleader since getting here. Ive got a pretty good track record on WR's around here, and he was one I felt from the get go was going to be different and develop into a great player for us. Ive posted threads and countless comments about him since we took him, and here is a quote back in early May after the draft showing an example of that belief in him early on and not just since his mini breakout this year. Now after reading that above from May of 2022...watch this highlight video and tell me that doesn't look spot on to how I described hm. From how he plays as a WR, to how he has some Deebo and AJ Brown in him with the ball in his hands. SHAKIR HIGHLIGHTS CLICK HERE (highly suggest you watch before commenting to at least see what I am referencing) This man is an excellent route runner...has sure hands...runs a 4.43 forty...is shifty...excels with YAC and is tough when running...and he is a smart player. Most importantly, he has the drive to be great and trains in the offseason with players like Moulds. His biggest shortcoming is he doesn't have long arms which makes him less of a go up and get it WR, but we don't need him to be that when he is so good at everything else. 2023 Stats: 87% Catch Rate, 39 Rec on 45 Targets, 611 Yards (13.5 yards per TARGET - insane), 15.6 YPC, 2 TD's Diggs had 160 targets in 2023 for 1183 yards. Now I know Diggs is drawing the best of the defense a lot of the times, so its not an apples to apples comparison. But just out of curiosity, what does Shakir's season look like on 160 targets based on his stats last year? Diggs: 160 Targets, 107 Rec, 1183 yards, 8 TD's Shakir: 160 Targets, 139 Rec, 2160 yards, 7 TD's Again, I know that is an unrealistic comparison given the level of defensive attention both got and how Shakir benefits from the extra attention Diggs takes. BUT...that is a massively different level of efficiency and effectiveness. And defenses STILL will have to contend with Shakir, what ever rookie we draft, Kincaid, Samuel, Knox, Cook as receiver and Allen running. So Shakir still should see plenty of opportunities against the defenses moving forward. I mean, even if he just gets up to 100 targets, that is still a 1,350 yard season, and make no mistake about it, he very well could (and probably should) see 100 targets this year. He is going to be the ONLY WR with any experience and rapport with Josh entering camp, he definitely caught Josh's attention and the teams last year and became a play making machine who they trust. This team notoriously likes to ease Rookies in as much as they can, so doubtful any rookie is coming in commanding anywhere near Diggs target share. Dorsey was an idiot for not using him in 2022 when we needed help bad in the slot...he was a bigger fool for not getting him involved earlier in 2023. In Joe Bradys first game, Shakir had his first career 100 yard game and would go on to end the season with another one. Diggs had 0 games with 100 yards during that stretch. In the aftermath of the Diggs trade...the time is now. I think you will see Shakir emerge as a legit WR and legit weapon for this team and not only will he break 1000 yards this year, he very well may lead the team in both receptions and yards. And I think he is one of the reasons they felt confident to trade Diggs now rather than later. You heard it hear first...and have been hearing it here about him since before the 2022 draft. #WitnessTheArrival

Came here to say this because you knew we were about to turn the corner and it was gonna be after he was gone after suffering all those years here.

Rex would have been fired by now.

You mean like: Goff, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Lamar? No offense, but not sure how else to respond to that. Mahomes and Rodgers already first ballot HOFers, Lamar is 2 time and reigning MVP, and Goff made a SB and multiple NFCCG appearances. How many league MVPs does Sammy Watkins need to play with to reach his potential? Diggs not being traded was never an absolute, there was plenty of buzz about that possibility. There is no chance Beane pays QB level draft trade compensation in the best WR draft maybe ever.

With the 40th pick in the 2024 NFL draft the Washington Commanders select: Cooper Beebe, OL, Kansas State Having started outside and moved inside, Cooper has dominated everywhere he’s lined up. We love his versatility and ability to protect our new QB for years to come. @mrags/@Virgiland the Green Bay Packers are on the clock.

Bastard, he was who I was about to snag ha

If we pay that much for a WR I will vomit. To do so in one of the best, if not the best, WR draft in history then Beanes job should be in jeopardy…and I love Beane. The only acceptable outcome of that is if that WR goes on to be the best one of this draft and is franchise altering which is highly unlikely. We had a top 5 WR with Diggs and didn’t make a SB. That should tell you that it’s not worth that much to get a WR. Chiefs just won a SB with what everyone said was the worst WR group in the NFL. It’s crazy to me how much some of you want to give up for a WR. I get maybe giving our first next year to get Odunze, Nabers, or Thomas now that we have another 2 seconds next year, but that really should be our max given how good this draft is for WRs.

Ok man, was just chatting the pick up. You seem to be rubbed the wrong way about it, all good.

Ah I misread the draft and didnt see you took a CB already, so sorry about that. And no, I didn't want him, I am not sold Legette is a WR1 in the NFL yet. I was only talking from Cardinals perspective in friendly convo. Im not hating on your draft bud, even said I get your logic, I am just draft talking in general. I do think Cardinals go another direction with that pick than WR, just my opinion, doesn't make it right or wrong.

There are 2 DBs I can see them taking here and some IOL guys before double dipping at WR. I do think they take more than one in this draft, just don't see it here. But I get your logic as well. Honestly, I think Legette is going to go later than most people think. I think he is probably going to last until mid 2nd and would not surprise me at all see him on the board when we pick at 60. He is an intriguing prospect no doubt, just don't think he is going as early as people think. I would absolutely take him at 60 though if he was there.

I have a hard time seeing Cardinals take another WR here with all the issues they have. They may very well take another WR, but not this high after using the 4th pick on MHJ. This draft is sooo deep at WR, no need to ignore all the other major roster issues to double up this early IMHO.

With the 36th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Washington Commanders select: Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia CLICK HERE FOR HIGHLIGHTS Our plan was to look IOL here or Edge, but our targets are all off the board. Gave heavy consideration to cornerback TJ Tampa as well, but ultimately we could not pass up an attempt to replace Samuel with the best pure route runner in the draft and give our new QB an excellent weapon to grow with. Ladd has maybe the highest floor of any receiver in the draft and we just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to add a player of his caliber to our new look offense. He can beat you in all 3 phases of the field and we can’t wait to see him and our new QB hit the field together. @BigdaddyinOrlandoand the LA Chargers are on the clock!

That is a disgusting amount to pay for a non QB. And they may be the next great tandem or he could be the next Sammy Watkins. Your trade proposals are always so extreme and unrealistic. There is 0% chance Beane is paying that for a WR in what is probably the deepest and richest WR draft in history.

As I said in follow up clarification that its top heavy. The OP is proposing we move Dawkins maybe for more ammo to trade up and get a WR. So we would not be in play for the top heavy prospects in the OP's scenario as that would be used to get a WR. So I don't want to be fishing around after the drop off for an OT late day 2 or worse day 3 to now protect our quarter of a billion dollar QB.

I meant at OT...Isn't it top heavy and then takes a drop? I mean if we are going WR early, I don't want to be fishing for a tackle on day 2 or 3 to protect our quarter of a billion dollar QB. I could be wrong, as busy as I have been this year I haven't spent a lot of time on the positions I am not expecting us to be in the market for on draft day, at least early. So I've mostly focused on WR, secondary, and DL.