murra

Quite frankly, Trent Edwards has shown me that in his first full season he is much worse than Losman in his first full season. I think it's a shame neither of them will develop in Buffalo.

How do you suggest we "strike"? lol. I think you're being ridiculous, and I think fan reaction like this is the very reason we've been going through coaches like wildfire since Marv Levy retired.

You mean if Trent does suck it up, he doesn't belong in the NFL? Otherwise you'll need to explain that theory to me.

Uhh... Turk just got out coached by San Francisco and is the main contributor to our loss against a 3 win team from the west coast at home... Unless you like offensive coordinators who can get into the redzone four times and produce only 3 points.

MM pretty evidently did not know how to build on talent, and therefore was a horible coach. He had a very yougn team with veteran leadership in necessary places, and the only successful thing out of his reign was developing Evans, who I'm pretty sure could develop under any situation (he's that good). I really think Mularky handled the JP situation so poorly that I can't help but think it was all Donahoe trying to use his free agent pick up to save his own a$$ when he realized it might take JP an entire season to develop.

Many people not only forget that, but pretend like those throws don't equate or better Trent's Washington's toss and the comeback in Oakland. Put simply, K-9, and all the people who are mad at JP for playing in the last game are being hypocritical. I'm mad at it because if Trent comes back just as bad next week, it may have ruined him. I will hopefully like it because it could light a fire under him. People who hate it, because they think Losman sucks are funny... because you can't complain about what's happening to Trent if you like what we did with Losman...it's backwards logic.

Really? You believe that? He has failed to possess that lack of frugality up until age 90. You think he's going to just turn that around? I think everybody is overrating this whole frugality thing. He pays people when he needs to. He's certainly not as cheap as everyone points out. We're not the Yankees, but he has been footing the bill (no pun intended) for years on big name players (and average ones: see kelsay and schobel).

LOL...ok. JP was benched for no good reason. You failed to prove other wise. As far as me saying the season was lost on one play...are you a professional selective reader? I said that it was a "turning point". Do you know what that means? If you don't think turning points occur in ANY season, then there is no need to debate any issue any longer. PS - Since when is it ok to concede arguing a blatant moot point because of a completely different comment made in a different thread? Get a life. I disagreed with you in saying that JP was relieved for Holcomb with a good reason. I'm not challenging you to a duel, I don't know why people online try and make things so personal.

HONORED!? Moulds was a whiny veteran who didn't know what he was talking about. Lee Evans wanted Losman. By the way, how did the Bills do with Holcomb? I forgot? he lead us to the playoffs right? Oh, he just beat Miami, who even JP had no trouble beating? That's right. GO BILLS!!!, but you're a messed up fan if you think it's honorable to speak out against another player on your team (a young one in their first season starting to boot) in favor of...KELLY HOLCOMB... I don't know what you're talking about .

By your logic, you've been extremely contradictory. Mularky ruined Losman by doing the very thing you're mad at. In fact, it's the very reason Trent Edwards himself is playing. Trent beat up on Kansas City. Big deal. He is scared, wont look at open recievers downfield, and if he sits a half thats fine. The coaches didn't do to him what happened before to Losman where they just gave Holcomb the starting job for no reason, Edwards sat a half with a "groin injury", and it's an attempt to light a fire under his a$$ for next week. If he bombs again next week, while you're done with Jauron, I'm likewise done with Edwards (and obviously Losman) and will be rallyign for a QB qith some god damned heart for a change!

That is such a pathetic argument. He came back after the bye week and won his first game handily. We have doctors, all who unanimously cleared him to play, and Trent himself says he feels fine. You're making excuses for someone who does not make the excuse himself. It's such a pathetic argument.

Yes I'm blaming Trent Edwards for us going from 5-1 to 6-6. I proved why. You, on the other hand are ignoring that. I didn't say I want him gone, I just said he was a significant factor in why we began to suck. You justified it by his age. That's unacceptable. This team is not all 25. We're young, yes...but you can only rebuild for so long, after a 5-1 start this is your year...the result is unacceptable. Stop pretending he's a savior and realize that we blew a big chance.

I think you're right. Jackson's drop was pivotal also. I think TE's pick was obviously worse because it has continually effected Trent, and also is the reason we lost that game. I still believe that no matter which pass it was, the first quarter of the Jets game seems to have more of an effect on the Bills current record than most people seem to realize.

Hahaha. The buffalo media is my new favorite source for linking false information... ...first DJ gets "extended" ...now Moulds gets in a "fight" ...next Trent Edwards does something manly... how many more lies will they feed us?

I agree. I'm glad we're on the same page...I think you didn't quite understand my initial post, because you seemed to be trying to dissent my argument, but we're making the same points...the conservative play calling is much less a factor to our losses as the conservative quarterbacking.

You're on to something. I think after that play, which helped propel our losing streak, Trent did not come out gunning for wins. He was still calm and complacent, and that led to boring football, checkk-down passes, and ultimately interceptions (Browns Game) and losses. I call him a choke-artist, but you're probably right, my real issue with him is that he doesn't respond well to failure. Most people were happy that throwing picks doesn't affect him, but as we found out, it does...in a big big way.

I agree. I'm trying to say, however, that people who blame the season on that theory are wrong, you can look elsewhere. Look, I hate DJ as much as the next guy, I'm just trying to find other sources of failure that made us go from 5-1 to 6-6.

No, that's why I prefaced my post chronicling how we were winning, and that the team looked sharp. My point isn't just that Trent is a choke-artist, but that the one pass against the Jets possibly was the season, and him being a choke-artist hasn't helped us at all when needed. I'm blaming Trent for the season more than the coaches because I believe if he makes that throw (well, if he doesn't throw it at all I should say), we could literally be looking at a playoff team. Now, I'm prepared for people to suggest that maybe we're not that good, and yes we've only beaten teams with losing records, but there is pretty much one similar play in each of our losses (save the Arizona game) that can be turned around and we have a solid record on our hands. I won't complain with any overhaul of the coaches, I'm just trying to ignore all that for a moment and focus on why this season went from success to failure.

Beginning at 4-0 the Buffalo Bills appeared to the media as a strong team. Most people who now speak out against us believe it was a result of our easy schedule. While we made comebacks in decent fashion, it was overlooked by our coaching staff's commitment to playing not to loose. The cool thing about playing not to lose is that when you have a lead, you typically hold on to it and win. The bad thing is that it pretty much voids comeback opportunities. Interestingly enough, we were able to win 3 of the 4 games with 4th quarter comebacks. After the Arizona debacle I personally believed it a result of a poor defensive gameplan and playing a good team on the road. Regardless, at this point in the season, I (along with many fans) maintained a fairly optomistic outlook for the rest of the year. Where did it go wrong? What was this "turning point" (if there is only one)? I think it would be cool if we could all decide together where the team fell apart. Believe it or not, I think it was one pass. Having just beaten San Diego to take that 5-1 record, then falling to Miami, the Bills were rebounding nicely in the beginning of the Jets game. We knew that we could afford to drop one of the three divisional games and still be in great shape. We were marching, in the red zone attempting to take a bigger lead. The bills were leading 7-6. A touchdown, and the first quarter ends 14-6, a field goal, and we're still up 10-6. Instead, Trent catapults a horrendous dud, that goes 97 yards the other way, and we have to play catchup at home again (and this time it isn't Oakland). If we score on that drive, the game is pretty much in our hands. Trent finished with his highest passing yardage game of the season, but that pass began what can only be characterized as a complete meltdown of choke-artist proportions. Sophomore slump or no sophomore slump, he choked in the MNF game last year, choked in our biggest divisional game, and yet again BIG TIME in this year's MNF. The guy is young and maturing, but having a choke-artist reputation is starting to worry me much more than the glove wearing or "phantom" post-concussion illness.

Good post. I agree.

It seems we have a scrubs fan on the boards.

Haha.

ban.

And you've failed to get my point in reading about 2 words of my posts in this thread. JP is horrible. But he better stats (and wins) than Trent. Therefore JP should be rewarded as our starter, We need a new quarterback.

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