toddgurley Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Vandalism or not... he ruined the efforts of his teammates.More here... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1008458...s-fans/%27-boos I would nt boo, but I am not gonna cheer for him. I am still PISSED he made such a stupid mistake. He has to make up for it. good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjo moe Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Vandalism or not... he ruined the efforts of his teammates.More here... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1008458...s-fans/%27-boos It may have been reckless, but Leodis is a Bill. How excited were you as a lifelong Bill's fan to be on the edge of defeating the so called best team in football on Monday Night in front of the entire nation. Leodis must have felt that too. We won't boo Leodis, we will show him love, because that's how we roll in Buffalo. Aren't we the nicest people in the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 i blame both Jauron and Bobby April for the kickoff disaster as much as I blame McKelvin. if we had any sort of pro-active, head-in-the-game coaching staff, SOMEONE would have gone up t McKelvin before he took the field, grabbed him by the face mask, looked him dead in the eye and said "Down the ball in the end zone if you can, but if you want to take it out, HOLD ONTO THE BALL AT ALL COSTS!" It would have been better/acceptable if he had been tackled at the 5 yard line, rather than fumble the ball. there should have been a coach that put the fear of god in him if he fumbled the ball. instead, he was left to go out and try to be a cowboy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I think the fans should boo him. I think the vandalism has changed people's minds, but I can't figure out why. He lost the game single-handed. Say that's short-sighted or wrong, but don't pretend that the game would have been radically different if he didn't fumble. He lost that game and took off the efforts of the team showing off. He should be penalized by the fans for ruining a great win for us. Screw'em So, Leodis was the only guy on defense those last 2 series? He was beaten in coverage on both of those TDs? Isn't it the coaches job to remind players of the situation and tell them what to do? Not to mention, there's absolutely no certainty the Bills would have run the clock out. With 3 dive plays and 4 time outs, they could have easily punted with plenty of time for a last second score to the TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelso_Helmet Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 if he runs one back for a TD, i would cheer him if he fumbles and turns the ball over, i would boo him more concerned about stopping TB from running the ball and controlling the clock if the no huddle isn't clicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Did he find a way to play the race card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelso_Helmet Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Did he find a way to play the race card? it was a teachable moment on special teams play...we should have McLovin, the lawn vandals, Whitlock, and DJ over to Ralph's house for a beer summit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Boo McKelvin?? Hell, we cheered Scottie Norwood after SB XXV. You beat me to it. Was going to say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Wheels Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 The last time Whitlock put on a Malcolm X T-shirt, a helicopter tried to land on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin were VERY hard on McKelvin this morning. Irvin had a good point mentioning first it was a mistake to bring the ball out and second it was very dumb to head toward the middle of the field. He said pick a sideline because you can just step out and avoid a hit or if you do fumble, the ball has a chance to bounce out of bounds. Very good point which I haven't seen/heard made yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Why not? Keep the revolving door at CB spinning at warp speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 i blame both Jauron and Bobby April for the kickoff disaster as much as I blame McKelvin. if we had any sort of pro-active, head-in-the-game coaching staff, SOMEONE would have gone up t McKelvin before he took the field, grabbed him by the face mask, looked him dead in the eye and said "Down the ball in the end zone if you can, but if you want to take it out, HOLD ONTO THE BALL AT ALL COSTS!" It would have been better/acceptable if he had been tackled at the 5 yard line, rather than fumble the ball. there should have been a coach that put the fear of god in him if he fumbled the ball. instead, he was left to go out and try to be a cowboy... what makes his play even more pathetic is that he did the same damn thing on the previous KO. he brought out a kick that should have stayed in the endzone and then fumbled the ball. He was fortunate it was recovered. Based on that exercise in futility, the coaches should have parked him on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin were VERY hard on McKelvin this morning. Irvin had a good point mentioning first it was a mistake to bring the ball out and second it was very dumb to head toward the middle of the field. He said pick a sideline because you can just step out and avoid a hit or if you do fumble, the ball has a chance to bounce out of bounds. Very good point which I haven't seen/heard made yet. well those crackerjack coaches called a middle return for no apparent reason- so that's where the ball went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Silly Whitlock. After some thought, I think McKelvin did the right thing. Maybe he didn't realize at the time that he could have burned 6 seconds off the clock and use up the two minute warning when he ran out. But it was worth trying it in my opinion. Might as well try and deprive the Patsies of their free timeout. It didn't work out, but I think it was still worth the try. I think the Pats rolled a 20 on those two drives and McKelvin rolled a 1. ugh. I don't think they are playing with the same dice we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I think the fans should boo him. I think the vandalism has changed people's minds, but I can't figure out why. He lost the game single-handed. Say that's short-sighted or wrong, but don't pretend that the game would have been radically different if he didn't fumble. He lost that game and took off the efforts of the team showing off. He should be penalized by the fans for ruining a great win for us. Screw'em And you just proved why you are member #1 of "StupidNation" So he lost a game single-handed by fumbling the ball, but yet you say the outcome wouldn't have been different if he didn't fumble the ball??? His only mistake was losing the ball, it happens, but the team had alrady let NE back into the game, the only thing the Turnover did was give the Pats the ball back sooner and the Bills more time to respond to the Pats being up by one. Seriously, if you think the guy should be booed because of one bad play in a game that no one thought the Bills had a chance in, then you need to realise that football is only a game and get out and get a real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Vandalism or not... he ruined the efforts of his teammates.More here... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1008458...s-fans/%27-boos Sometimes I like Whitlock. On this issue, though, the man's a bonehead. And that article has been mentioned a lot on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I agree with your analysis "all he had to do was not fumble." Ideally, he returns the ball to burn the 2 minute warning but goes down outside the 20 as soon as anyone comes near him. What irritates me with these athletes is they repeatedly show that your first sentence is not as self-contradictory as it seems. On its face, if McKelvin knows he messed up, you wouldn't have to worry about him learning from it. Knowing it was a mistake would imply not doing it again. But McKelvin has indicated that he doesn't know he messed up. He said he would do it the same way again, and again, and again. With today's athlete, you have to worry that he doesn't know (or care) that he messed up. For the athlete, the benefits (individual adulation, big bucks) of making a great play outweigh the downside (the team loses) of a risky play. So, for McKelvin, the benefit of a big run back was much more enticing than the (so what) risk of the team losing from a fumble. He's playing hard enough; I would rather McKelvin play intelligently to redeem himself. And one more thing. I think I heard a commentator say "Good decision -- the risk of fumbling was very, very small." AAAAAAAGH. Just two kickoffs before, McKelvin had fumbled a kickoff!!!!!! The commentator was right, the risk of fumbling was very small. Unfortunately, it happened anyway. Up till that second fumble, he' d fumbled twice in 55 career returns. That is not a high percentage. You can't have a returner who is shy to return the ball because he's afraid of fumbling. That's a recipe for consistent starts from the 20 yard-line. And you can't blame Leodis for saying that after the game, before he had been coached on it. Before this game, he'd had one fumble in about 50 returns and aggression had worked well for him. Now, the coaching staff should have talked to him about it this week, and if he still thinks the same thing, that would be a huge problem. But thinking it right after the game is understandable. Nobody had the time to coach him in the last two minutes, after the fumble, while they were trying to win a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 i blame both Jauron and Bobby April for the kickoff disaster as much as I blame McKelvin. if we had any sort of pro-active, head-in-the-game coaching staff, SOMEONE would have gone up t McKelvin before he took the field, grabbed him by the face mask, looked him dead in the eye and said "Down the ball in the end zone if you can, but if you want to take it out, HOLD ONTO THE BALL AT ALL COSTS!" It would have been better/acceptable if he had been tackled at the 5 yard line, rather than fumble the ball. there should have been a coach that put the fear of god in him if he fumbled the ball. instead, he was left to go out and try to be a cowboy... How do you know that didn't happen? You don't, and the Bills aren't talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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