billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I just wanted to know how everyone else felt about re locating to Niagara Falls. I myself am torn. On one hand I like the idea. Imagine this. A state of the art stadium with the falls as the backdrop. Hotels for tourists and things to do. Money will get put back into the city of NF and then the city can begin to rebuild and gain much needed tourism dollars. How nice would it be if our side looked like the other side but better with a beautiful stadium. On the other hand, I cant imagine the Bills not being in erie county. It would seem strange at first but maybe we could get used to it. I think for the Bills to remain in Erie County they have to put the stadium downtown on the waterfront. Dont get me wrong, Orchard Park is fun and easy access. But the stadium itself is really a second rate stadium now. When you walk in it feels dreary and uninviting. I figured this would be a fun topic to talk about instead of Ralph has passed, Ralph is alive, or some of the other silly and disrespectful posts that have been posted lately. Semper Fi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Slowly I turn, step-by-step, inch-by-inch... Â Oops...sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 the city of NF on the American side is like the East side of Buffalo  I would rather have the stadium next to Clifton Hill lol  at least that skyline is bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 beats having the team in toronto or LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 niagara falls usa is extremely ghetto, downtown buffalo wouldn't be quite as bad. i live a stone's throw from the ralph so i would prefer they stay there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 the city of NF on the American side is like the East side of Buffalo I would rather have the stadium next to Clifton Hill lol  at least that skyline is bigger We all know that. Everyone knows NF is a dump. But so is Buffalo and Where the Stadium is in OP is no crown jewel either. The point is if a stadium went there maybe it could help re vitalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 niagara falls usa is extremely ghetto, downtown buffalo wouldn't be quite as bad. i live a stone's throw from the ralph so i would prefer they stay there Thats a personal preference. I am merely attempting for all of us to look at the big picture. But your opinion does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Thats a personal preference. I am merely attempting for all of us to look at the big picture. But your opinion does matter. Â lol i know, i'm just lazy. a stadium in the falls could do alot for the region, and hopefully make the american side a viable tourist destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax bill backer Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Listen quit talkin about niagara falls... u guys should be worried about the buyers of this team.... lot of buyers in toronto none in buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 lol i know, i'm just lazy. a stadium in the falls could do alot for the region, and hopefully make the american side a viable tourist destination. We all get lazy sometimes LOL. I will let ya slide...this time. I think what we all really want though is the whole buffalo/niagara region to thrive again, get the population back up and say F U to Toronto. I understand why they did it but it just doesnt sit well with me. I mean you cant even freakin tailgate there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Listen quit talkin about niagara falls... u guys should be worried about the buyers of this team.... lot of buyers in toronto none in buffalo Your comments really have no credibility whatsoever. Who are the buyers? I havent seen one make an offer to Ralph. The team doesnt have to be for sale to make someone an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Buffalo isn't a bad city. Its actually a really nice city and safe to walk in. The only eyesore is the outdated buildings and main street is filled with empty shops. I hate the subway train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Anything closer to the Sundowner would be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Buffalo isn't a bad city. Its actually a really nice city and safe to walk in. The only eyesore is the outdated buildings and main street is filled with empty shops. I hate the subway train. I think you just named alot of bad things. But I kinda agree, its got some cool stuff to do and a decent nightlife. I know some dont think so but how many places have a 4 am last call. I would love to see a stadium in the city also. People could eat before going in the stadium. If the weather is bad dive into a bar for a brew. And instant money for the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax bill backer Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Your comments really have no credibility whatsoever. Who are the buyers? I havent seen one make an offer to Ralph. The team doesnt have to be for sale to make someone an offer. Â Rogers dosent ring a bell...yes he is dead... but just because he is dead everyone seems to think that its over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazedandConfused Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 We all know that. Everyone knows NF is a dump. But so is Buffalo and Where the Stadium is in OP is no crown jewel either. The point is if a stadium went there maybe it could help re vitalize. Stadium investment is an odd thing in that the economic studies I have seen indicate that there are often far better monetary investments for an area than for a football arena that is going to see usage on relatively few days per year. The problem in addition is that if this is the only type of investment which can be had (the private sector is not beating down any doors to do investment in these times of economic meltdown and even if they were NF would not likely be their first choice) then perhaps with some analysis it might make some sense. Â My guess from a back of the envelope perspective is that one is looking for a sweet spot where on triggers a largish governmental investment into building a stadium in a place that is not do good that it can compete in the remnants of the private sector, but not so bad that this football arena can attract additional traffic to make the expenditure worthwhile. Â My guess is that building a stadium on the waterfront in downtown Buffalo probably is better choice than building one in NF. Â In terms of logistics downtown Buffalo is a more accessible location than NFL to the I-90 serving the region both east and west, and also is a better connection to Toronto since the QEW goes from Toronto to Buffalo and actually one must take a spur to get to NF. Â My sense is that anyway you cut it this is gonna be an economic boondoggle but it is actually the economic ghettos of NYS that will benefit the most from getting a stadium investment. Of the ghettos I think a Buffalo waterfront spot makes more sense than an NF investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 Rogers dosent ring a bell...yes he is dead... but just because he is dead everyone seems to think that its over [/quote No it doesnt I have been living my life in an alcoholic haze. Rogers never made an offer for an NFL team and I dont see anyone in canada making one anytime soon. Too much blowback from the CFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jax bill backer Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 u dont think the NFL would pay off the CFL.. im sure they would any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 u dont think the NFL would pay off the CFL.. im sure they would any day Its not about paying off the CFL. Its about the fans of the CFL. The people of Canada really love their version of football. I know there are alot that Like the NFL and come to the games. But more come for the tailgate and atmosphere. You wont get that in Toronto and they will keep being attracted to the Argonauts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 There is plenty of room for parking downtown Buffalo, by the waterfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 There is plenty of room for parking downtown Buffalo, by the waterfront. And places to eat and drink too. But dont you think NF could be a fun venue too? The logistics would be extremely difficult though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 If you could set aside the issue of the billion or so that is needed to build a modern NFL ready stadium (no small issue to ignore the cost) NF would be a perfect location. You get much closer to the Canadian market, you boost tourism in the falls and you build on the regional concept for the franchise. Â The reality is that the fact that the Ralph is without debt is very significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 The reality is that the fact that the Ralph is without debt is very significant. Â maybe ralph is saving his money for a new stadium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 maybe ralph is saving his money for a new stadium... Â I'm sure the family wants to blow their inheritance on a new stadium for the team they will sell. Â That's like trading in a car and continuing to pay on it, why trade it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 And places to eat and drink too. But dont you think NF could be a fun venue too? The logistics would be extremely difficult though. Its kind of ghetto on the american side of the Falls, Scoob's probably just worried about parking his car there. Â People could steal it, sell it and buy many homes there for what its worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Its kind of ghetto on the american side of the Falls, Scoob's probably just worried about parking his car there. People could steal it, sell it and buy many homes there for what its worth  I live in SW FL, so I don't getting drive it up there. Great driving weather here lately, in the 80's for about 2 months with almost no rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Its kind of ghetto on the american side of the Falls, Scoob's probably just worried about parking his car there. People could steal it, sell it and buy many homes there for what its worth  Niagara Falls has allot of potential to draw folks from not just here in our country, but from Canada and around the world.  The American side of the falls is kind of ghetto and its all the more reason something should be done to make improvements.  Because of the close proximity, Buffalo stands to gain more than it would lose by improving the American side of the falls with a new Stadium making it a win, win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemrack Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I'm sure the family wants to blow their inheritance on a new stadium for the team they will sell. That's like trading in a car and continuing to pay on it, why trade it.  if and when they don't sell the team, a new stadium would be a great investment in the team and in the community of buffalo or niagara falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Niagara Falls is a car swallowing pot hole filled cess-pool with more vacant and abandoned houses than Buffalo... Â trust me, I work there, and travel throughout the streets all day...the only nice area is when you get off the I190 and turn right heading towards Military Rd, and up by the casino...other than that forget it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET1062 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Niagara Falls makes so much sense that it will never happen. Â Consider this.... Â The hotel capacity on both sides of the border from Mid Sept. - Mar. (the Non tourist season) Â Possible Superbowl, NCAA Regional Finals or Final Four. Â Canadians could park in NF Ont and walk across the Rainbow bridge. On a clear day you could see both Buffalo and Toronto from the cheap seats. Â As part of the stadium complex there could be year round tourist attractions. (Bills HOF, NFL Experience others) Â Like the Patriots did, build a mall attached to the stadium. The one thing the Canadian side of the falls can not compete with is "Americana" Tourists from Asia, South America and Europe want a piece of "Americana" In the mall, house the following anchor stores (Disney, Harley Davidson, Levi Strauss others...) Â Niagara Falls has so much potential, the entire city could be bulldozed and we would be starting with a clean canvas. Â Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Niagara Falls is a car swallowing pot hole filled cess-pool with more vacant and abandoned houses than Buffalo... trust me, I work there, and travel throughout the streets all day...the only nice area is when you get off the I190 and turn right heading towards Military Rd, and up by the casino...other than that forget it...   It's the truth.  Now, I think a stadium in the Falls might be one of the first steps toward getting some urban renewal going on in the area.  But, it is likely simply a pipe-dream. Niagara Falls (proper) simply is not an ideal place for a stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Niagara Falls is a car swallowing pot hole filled cess-pool with more vacant and abandoned houses than Buffalo... trust me, I work there, and travel throughout the streets all day...the only nice area is when you get off the I190 and turn right heading towards Military Rd, and up by the casino...other than that forget it... Thats not the point. The point is to re vitalize the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Thats not the point. The point is to re vitalize the place. Â You expect an NFL owner to move a team to a location to revitalize the area? I'm not sure you understand why a team moves. A team will move to Toronto or L.A. because it sells tickets. Unless I'm mistaken, there are no wealthy owners from NF-US. Why would anyone move them there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET1062 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 You expect an NFL owner to move a team to a location to revitalize the area? I'm not sure you understand why a team moves. A team will move to Toronto or L.A. because it sells tickets. Unless I'm mistaken, there are no wealthy owners from NF-US. Why would anyone move them there?? Â New York State would be building this new stadium to keep the the Bills from moving. Granted, with todays economy the State spending a Billion dollars on a Niagara Falls stadium sounds ridiculous, but that is just a fraction of the money our new savior, Jesus Obama, is spending of our grandchildrens money. As long as we are pissing away the future, we may as well spend it on something I enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Just knock down ECC South and put a stadium there.    Or dig up the green Manhattan Project goo in Lackawanna and put a stadium there.... Half-Life Field  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 New York State would be building this new stadium to keep the the Bills from moving. Granted, with todays economy the State spending a Billion dollars on a Niagara Falls stadium sounds ridiculous, but that is just a fraction of the money our new savior, Jesus Obama, is spending of our grandchildrens money. As long as we are pissing away the future, we may as well spend it on something I enjoy. Â Â He's the president, he has to spend our grand children's money, geesh, ours was spent a long time ago. Â What ever the price may be for a new stadium, lets also remember the jobs it creates to build that stadium, the jobs it creates in the development around the new Stadium. The increased revenues from the people that come there to live and work or the increase in tourist activity. Â Does anybody really think things will get better in Buffalo or anywhere else by staying stagnant and doing nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 If you can find a way to bilk the state for a stadium, go for it. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Thats not the point. The point is to re vitalize the place. Â if that were a concern for NYS, they would allow the city to keep the revenue it earns by being a tourist mecca instead of handing it all to the state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I just wanted to know how everyone else felt about re locating to Niagara Falls. I myself am torn. On one hand I like the idea. Imagine this. A state of the art stadium with the falls as the backdrop. Hotels for tourists and things to do. Money will get put back into the city of NF and then the city can begin to rebuild and gain much needed tourism dollars. How nice would it be if our side looked like the other side but better with a beautiful stadium. On the other hand, I cant imagine the Bills not being in erie county. It would seem strange at first but maybe we could get used to it. I think for the Bills to remain in Erie County they have to put the stadium downtown on the waterfront. Dont get me wrong, Orchard Park is fun and easy access. But the stadium itself is really a second rate stadium now. When you walk in it feels dreary and uninviting. I figured this would be a fun topic to talk about instead of Ralph has passed, Ralph is alive, or some of the other silly and disrespectful posts that have been posted lately. Semper Fi  1. The county shouldn't matter. DC and NYG/NYJ aren't even in the same state (or district) as the teams named after those cities. NF (US) is a suburb just like OP is, regardless of where the county lines are drawn. To some of us in Buffalo (and I mean the city of Buffalo), NF is closer than OP. From my West Side house, NF is about 20 mins, and OP, 30. It would hardly change the local character of the team, much less the name.  2. It would boost tourism.  3. There is not much to do in NF, but there is NOTHING to do in OP.  4. There is a lot of vacant land, because there are a lot of closed production facilities.  Frankly, except for the fact that NF is more corrupt than any other area in the free world, it's a really good idea. Really good. What's the real downside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddleman Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I live in Lewistom which is a stones throw away from the Falls and as much as I would love the commute (season ticket holder since 1980 when I was 18 years old) It will never happen. The only hope IMO is maybe towards Rochester maybe Lancaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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