Astrobot Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Philly would like a Left Tackle out of this draft, and Buffalo is one of the trade partners that makes sense. Philly gets our #11, and we get their #21 and #28. DraftTek's Online Draft Simulator shows these resulting picks for both teams: 21 Buffalo Clay Matthews OLB43 USC 28 Buffalo Robert Ayers DE43 Tennessee 42 Buffalo Max Unger OG Oregon 75 Buffalo Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss 106 Buffalo Javon Ringer RB Michigan State 139 Buffalo Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh 170 Buffalo Clinton McDonald DT43 Memphis State 202 Buffalo Blake Schlueter OC TCU 11 Philadelphia Andre Smith OT Alabama 53 Philadelphia Patrick Chung SS Oregon 85 Philadelphia Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin 117 Philadelphia Tony Fiammetta FB Syracuse 145 Philadelphia Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC 149 Philadelphia Curtis Taylor FS LSU 151 Philadelphia Domonique Johnson CB Jackson State 181 Philadelphia Frantz Joseph ILB Florida Atlantic 182 Philadelphia Dallas Reynolds OC BYU The Detroit trade involves taking their #20 pick and the first pick in RD3 in exchange for our #11. That draft would look like this: 20 Buffalo Clay Matthews OLB43 USC 42 Buffalo Michael Johnson DE43 Georgia Tech 65 Buffalo Chase Coffman TE Missouri 75 Buffalo Andy Levitre OG Oregon State 106 Buffalo Rashad Jennings RBF Liberty 139 Buffalo Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh 170 Buffalo Vance Walker DT43 Georgia Tech 202 Buffalo Jon Cooper OC Oklahoma 1 Detroit Aaron Curry OLB43 Wake Forest 11 Detroit Peria Jerry DT43 Mississippi 33 Detroit Josh Freeman QB Kansas St 82 Detroit Troy Kropog OT Tulane 161 Detroit Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina 179 Detroit Ian Campbell DE43 Kansas St Which one is more likely? I think the Detroit trade, because they came closer to a draft that met their needs. Will it happen? Probably not, because if Peria Jerry is there at #11, I'd expect the Bills to take him; he's a good fit for OUR defense even if Raji is head and shoulders above all the DT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 That Philly trade isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 That Philly trade isn't realistic. If Philadelphia stays where it is, they get none of the Top 5 Left Tackles. I don't expect them to give away both first rounders without an additional player in trade, likely a running back, tackle, safety, or tight end. We are not the likely trade partner for these. In other news, the Orangemen will have early trouble today with the matchup zone of ASU, but come back to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If Philadelphia stays where it is, they get none of the Top 5 Left Tackles. I don't expect them to give away both first rounders without an additional player in trade, likely a running back, tackle, safety, or tight end. We are not the likely trade partner for these. In other news, the Orangemen will have early trouble today with the matchup zone of ASU, but come back to win. Good point about Philly Astrobot. Even though if I were in their position I probably wouldn't do it. I wanted to get your thoughts on Jarron Gilbert. I like him, he has lots of speed, strength, size and production. Some say he projects as a 3-4 end, others say he can play the role of a 4-3 end or tackle. At 6 foot 5 285lbs, 4.76 40, explosive 37 inch vertical (which shows burst), 22 tackles for loss and 9.5 sacks, he seems to me to be equipped to play either role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Astro, just for some point of reference, what does the Bills' draft look like with no trades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If Philadelphia stays where it is, they get none of the Top 5 Left Tackles. I don't expect them to give away both first rounders without an additional player in trade, likely a running back, tackle, safety, or tight end. We are not the likely trade partner for these. In other news, the Orangemen will have early trouble today with the matchup zone of ASU, but come back to win. Could that extra player be Roscoe Parrish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Astro, just for some point of reference, what does the Bills' draft look like with no trades? 11 Buffalo Brian Cushing OLB USC 42 Buffalo Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 75 Buffalo Chase Coffman TE Missouri Round 4-7 FYI, Jarron Gilbert DE is drafted with the next pick in the 3rd Round by the J-E-T-S. Our Big Board has Gilbert as #78 in the draft, and the Jets took him at #76. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Could that extra player be Roscoe Parrish. I think Tennessee Titans or Indianapolis Colts. A HYPOTHETICAL trade would be to the Colts for their RD3#92 pick, almost exactly the point where we think Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE will be drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I think Tennessee Titans or Indianapolis Colts. A HYPOTHETICAL trade would be to the Colts for their RD3#92 pick, almost exactly the point where we think Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE will be drafted. Third sounds awfully optimistic in my view. If that would be the case, I'd take it in a heartbeat. However, if that were to play out, I do believe that the Colts would be able to make a lot better use of Parrish as a WR than we have. Specially now that Marvin is most likely going to be gone, and Gonzalez most likely moving to the 2 WR spot, that would create an opening at the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Philly is not as desperate for a LT as some people think. There is talk locally of moving Herremans from LG to LT and starting Max Jean-Gilles at LG. Im sure they will still draft a lineman early because Andy Reid loves drafting lineman and they could still get a good tackle in the 20's but I just dont see them trading up to 11 I would like to see the Bills stay where they are and somehow still get Everette Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbyte Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The problem is, many experts see a lot of teams wanting to trade down not up. It is the cost of rookie contracts in the top 15 picks. They say, that many teams will not be getting great offers for their picks. Experts see a lot of value with picks 16 to 32 this year. There may be more action in round 2 since there is a lot of good players to pick from this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/...ft-trade-chart/ the above trade chart shows the value of draft picks... The Bills pick is worth 1320 points Detroits #20 = 980 Detroits #33 = 570 Philly's #21 = 925 Philly's #53 = 370 I f we trade with Detroit it would be for #20 and a swap of 2nd rd picks and maybe a 4th rd pick If we trade with Philly it would be for #21, #53, and maybe a 6th pick... that is as good as it would get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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