TheChimp Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I agree with you. Baltimore and Atlanta are going to the playoffs with rookie QBs, and both are coming off of worse records than the Bills last season. The new, rookie coaches were able to change the direction of the franchise. Miami brought in a rubber-armed QB and have gone from the second worst record in the history of the league to challenging for the divsion. This isn't rocket science, and after watching football for many years I think we can figure out when a coach is calling a good game or bad game. The fact that the Bills did not play bump and run against Ted Ginn is inconceivable, especially since there was extensive tape on DBs being able to push this guy 15 yards off his route every game. The fact that the offensive coaches couldn't scheme against a max cover defense, costing the Bills the games against the Dolphins, Browns, and 49ers is unbelievable. The short yardage playcalling in the 2nd half of the season has shown a coaching staff that was choosing to try to trick the opposing defense rather than playing the percentages. After 2 years and 15 games, the offense still does not have an identity under Jauron. Is the talent that bad? Of course not. They have one of the biggest O-lines in the league. They have two RBs with the best yards-after-contact ability in the league. They have two burners at WR. So what should their identity be? Again, this isn't rocket science. They should be a running team that builds its passing game off of play action. They should be the AFC version of the Panthers. But we don't see that. We see empty set, shotgun formations on 2nd and 3rd and short. Opposing defense face dozens of plays were they don't have to worry about Lynch and Jackson, the Bills two best offensive players. I've seen what Jauron has to offer, and it's not good enough for the talent on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 OK. Jauron's one. I'm sure there are more. My point is I can probably name more winning coaches with more than 5 years in one spot...Jeff Fischer, Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck, Tony Dungy, John Fox, tom Coughlin Ummm...OK... So lets say for the sake of (My) argument The Bills lose next week vs NE...That's 3 losing Seasons for Dead Dick In Buffalo...That means he'll need 3 consecutive winning Seasons to draw even...What would make anyone think that DJ could pull off 3 consecutive winning seasons after watching the last 3 with The Bills...Or for that matter after He's went 8 Seasons as a HC with ONE...That's right, ONE winning Season... For the love of God don't compare DJ to those other Coaches you listed because there is one main difference, and it trumps all...Jauron is a LOSER...His career record speaks for itself...Take out the one winning Season he had forever and a day ago and His Head Coaching Career is like some sort of bad train wreck... Dead Dick must go...The only continuity He offers is consistant losing Seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Bill Parcells has said that you are what your record says you are. If 7-9 is a mediocre record, DJ is a mediocre coach. It's black and white, but there's no question DJ is not the guy who can lead you to the SB. Three seasons of not making the playoffs is mediocre. And the Bills can affirm mediocrity by bringing DJ back as HC, contract or not. Be careful what you wish for, though. Let's accept your premise for a moment, that Dick Jauron is an average NFL Coach. If the Bills fire him, barring something crazy like Bill Cowher deciding that he wants to coach in one of the smallest media markets in the NFL, the Bills will be hiring either a veteran coach with a similar (or worse) track record than Jauron or else another unproven commodity. Basically, if your premise of Dick Jauron as an average coach would be correct, that would be a 50% chance of getting a better coach, and a 50% chance of getting a worse coach. The next coach might be the next Mike Mularkey or Gregg Williams.... However, I would point out that W-L records can be pretty misleading if considered independent of talent. Bill Belichick had one winning season (11-5) in five years as a Head Coach at Cleveland. If not for David Patten's unconscious head rolling out of bounds against a 3-13 Bills team, Bill Belichick would have gone his first three years in New England without a playoff berth (let alone a Super Bowl win). Of course, Bill Belichick soon caught Tom Brady's lightning in a bottle (and cheated a little bit along the way), and became a reasonably likely Hall of Fame Coach. This is not to say that Dick Jauron is as good a coach as Belichick - but it is worth noting that having Tom Brady at QB goes a long ways towards making you look like a good Head Coach and having Jim Miller, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Chris Chandler, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and a rookie Trent Edwards as your QB's can go a long ways towards making you look like a bad coach. JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 YES, KEEP JAURON! 7-9 FOREVER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Be careful what you wish for, though. Let's accept your premise for a moment, that Dick Jauron is an average NFL Coach. If the Bills fire him, barring something crazy like Bill Cowher deciding that he wants to coach in one of the smallest media markets in the NFL, the Bills will be hiring either a veteran coach with a similar (or worse) track record than Jauron or else another unproven commodity. Basically, if your premise of Dick Jauron as an average coach would be correct, that would be a 50% chance of getting a better coach, and a 50% chance of getting a worse coach. The next coach might be the next Mike Mularkey or Gregg Williams.... However, I would point out that W-L records can be pretty misleading if considered independent of talent. Bill Belichick had one winning season (11-5) in five years as a Head Coach at Cleveland. If not for David Patten's unconscious head rolling out of bounds against a 3-13 Bills team, Bill Belichick would have gone his first three years in New England without a playoff berth (let alone a Super Bowl win). Of course, Bill Belichick soon caught Tom Brady's lightning in a bottle (and cheated a little bit along the way), and became a reasonably likely Hall of Fame Coach. This is not to say that Dick Jauron is as good a coach as Belichick - but it is worth noting that having Tom Brady at QB goes a long ways towards making you look like a good Head Coach and having Jim Miller, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Chris Chandler, Kordell Stewart, JP Losman, and a rookie Trent Edwards as your QB's can go a long ways towards making you look like a bad coach. JDG Who says that a mediocre coach will be hired to replace DJ? That's an assumption, but becomes more realistic should this team forego hiring a GM and decides that a non-football man can run football operations. The travesty of this entire organization is that Buffalo thinks it can succeed in a division in which two other teams (the ones most likely to make the post-season) have football people making decisions on coaches and personnel. Felser's article in the BN shows that Buffalo has prospered when they have people in tune with the NFL. Many will say TD couldn't pick a HC and was a football guy. But I'd rather take my chances with someone who is in-tune with the league. Dimitroff did it in ATL. Parcells has done it in MIA. Ozzie Newsome in BAL. Good Football execs have better success and know what to look for in a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 OK everyone, I know this won't be a popular idea, but I want to make the case for Dickie Jauron to stay..... Let me ask you this, how many more years of not making the playoffs with sub .500 seasons will it take for you to change your mind about Jauron? Every year, he does "just enough" to keep his job. I'll point to Baltimore, Atlanta and Miami as proof that "tenure" is overrated. Each of those teams has a "new" QB, too. Jauron's 3 year losing record at Buffalo is not enough to keep his job in my book and it shouldn't be in your book, nor Ralph's book for that matter, either. Jauron's job is to win games, get into the playoffs and go the superbowl. He hasn't and there isn't anything in his resume so far that indicates he will. The longer Jauron stays, the more we can all resign ourselves to +- .500 seasons and more of the exact same thing that his coaching history consists of. Believe me, I'd love to be wrong and I'll be the first to admit I was and eat my words if I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Who says that a mediocre coach will be hired to replace DJ? That's an assumption, Well, by definition, 50% of the Head Coaches in the League are below-average. The proposition was made that Dick Jauron's pretty consistent record at the .500 level defines him as a "mediocre coach" - so it seems pretty reasonable to conclude that in the hiring of an unknown quantity,@50% would be better and @50% would be worse. Every team in the League hiring a Head Coach this offseason will be attempting to hire one of the above-average runs. I see no reason to believe a priori that we would be any more likely than any other to succeed in doing so, rather than hiring the next Gregg Williams or Mike Mularkey. JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Let me ask you this, how many more years of not making the playoffs with sub .500 seasons will it take for you to change your mind about Jauron? Every year, he does "just enough" to keep his job. I'll point to Baltimore, Atlanta and Miami as proof that "tenure" is overrated. Well, I think there are some caveats there as well. The Falcons had been decent before going through the single-year implosion of the Michael Vick scandal as well as a rookie college coach (Bobby Petrino) who was not only in way over his head, but quit on the team to boot... Similarly, the Ravens had a ready-made defense in place with tons of veteran leadership on it, and were only a year removed from a 13-3 season. The only real example of a single-season turn-around of a cellar-dwelling franchise is the Miami Dolphins - and what can I say, Parcells is the best in the business at that. Although it is worth noting that Parcells won the lottery when an excellent vetern QB like Chad Pennington not only came available - but then stayed healthy the whole season for them. And, of course, they drew the same easy schedule this year that we drew. With that being said, I remain skeptical about how enduring the success of these three roookie head coaches will be. I think Ray Rhodes once won "Coach of the Year" after going 10-6 following Rich Kotitite's perennial ..500 teams in Philly, and proceeded to be a complete wash-out. George Seifert went to three NFC Championship game and then won a Super Bowl on the fourth try, only to finish his career with two .500 or so seasons and then a 15 game losing streak for a 1-15 Carolina Panthers team. JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Well, by definition, 50% of the Head Coaches in the League are below-average. Not quite, as coaches who are consistently 8-8 are not below average. They just happen to regress to the mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Not quite, as coaches who are consistently 8-8 are not below average. They just happen to regress to the mean... Whatever. Dick is not a playoff winning head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Look I agree.........I cant argue anything with you. But if he did sign the extension what else can we do? We have no choice other then "try" to support him...... It doesn't bother you that *that's* the reason we should keep the guy? Not his ability as a HC? I think his career record speak for itself. I want to be Jauron's friend and I'll invite him to my Christmas parties. I just don't want him as my HC. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Well, I think there are some caveats there as well. The Falcons had been decent before going through the single-year implosion of the Michael Vick scandal as well as a rookie college coach (Bobby Petrino) who was not only in way over his head, but quit on the team to boot... Similarly, the Ravens had a ready-made defense in place with tons of veteran leadership on it, and were only a year removed from a 13-3 season. The only real example of a single-season turn-around of a cellar-dwelling franchise is the Miami Dolphins - and what can I say, Parcells is the best in the business at that. Although it is worth noting that Parcells won the lottery when an excellent vetern QB like Chad Pennington not only came available - but then stayed healthy the whole season for them. And, of course, they drew the same easy schedule this year that we drew. With that being said, I remain skeptical about how enduring the success of these three roookie head coaches will be. I think Ray Rhodes once won "Coach of the Year" after going 10-6 following Rich Kotitite's perennial ..500 teams in Philly, and proceeded to be a complete wash-out. George Seifert went to three NFC Championship game and then won a Super Bowl on the fourth try, only to finish his career with two .500 or so seasons and then a 15 game losing streak for a 1-15 Carolina Panthers team. JDG The common denominator in all those teams Falcons, Fins, Ravens is that they have stellar front offices. FOs and GMs that can evaluate players and coaches. Atl - Dimitroff (Pioli protege) Bal - Ozzie Newsome Mia - Parcells What do we have? I like Brandon - but he needs to distinguish himself this off season. He needs to hire a real football guy he can learn from. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Battered wife syndrome. "you know he didn't hit me today-its going to be alright" OMG - one of the best posts this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 As much as I hate to think of being in the same spot next year, a change in the coaching staff is not going to put us in any better position. We need to fix our player deficiencies before any coaching staff is gonna turn it around. Did we underachieve this year - yes. There were at least three winnable games that we blew and that frankly would have been won with more a more experienced QB and Offensive Coordinator. Dick has responsibility as well but it is all hindsight. He was a genius after 6 games this year. I say this team wins at least 2 of those 3 games with a good pass rush. The defense had a hand in our collapses just as much as the offense and I was just as frustrated watching other teams carve us up when we couldn't even touch their QB. Yah our offensive struggles sucked, but I remember the defensive collapses (third and long killed us once again this year) more than the offensive failures. The fact is that we have a chance at an impactful draft this year. Draft a stud pass rusher in the first round. A good center in the second (although Preston is making strides). Linebacker in the third. Build depth on the lines including another TE to replace Royal. I truly believe that if we get a couple of great pass rushers, this team goes to the playoffs. This draft is Dick's final chance to save his job. - BBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 If it weren't for the coaching blunders in the Browns & last Jets game, we'd be 9-6 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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