bluenews Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I would like to make a motion that this is a stupid thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 GM is critical ut you also have to have a coach who is on the same page. TD was brought into Buffalo because he was a "talent guy." We all know how that sucked. Great teams have the following: 1) Excellent line play 2) A QB who plays well within the system 3) A good coach 4) A solid GM who works well with the coach NE has all of these. Buffalo has not yet proven they can check off any single one of them. There have been hints that they are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Everyone knows how bad Detroit is and their absolutely terrible record during the Millen era. But looking at the other awful NFL franchises, they all have one thing in common: the lack of a real General Manager with a personnel background. Millen was hired without any previous personnel experience. Cincinnati fans are putting a billboard up asking owner/GM Mike Brown to hire a GM. KC has the the man Jason Whitlock at the Star calls, "King Carl" Peterson. Oakland still has Al Davis calling the personnel shots. Those four teams will be drafting in the top 5 come April. All of those guys are terrible talent evaluators, and their teams have become jokes. So much so that in the last five seasons, those four franchises have produced a mere 2 playoff teams. In an era where a salary cap exists and parity is almost predictable, some teams have still had no success while others routinely win. It's a lack of true talent evaluators and sound football minds that's been missing in Buffalo. For as much heat as DJ rightfully takes, it's time to demand an experienced football executive with solid personnel experience. Maybe then this franchise can regain some semblance of a winning culture. Finding a Franchise QB certainly helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Bad scouting and bad coaches. Good teams always have somebody to take the injured players place without much drop-off or any. Be it coaching or having the talent to fill the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Ok, Please explain these. Jerry Jones - GM of the cowboys. He doesn't have traditional GM experience and he's an owner. At times he's given all personnel power to coaches. At times he is the only GM. But he doesn't have a "true personnel background" Marty Hurney - GM of the Panthers. He doesn't have a "true personnel background" Before becoming carolina's GM, he was their cap manager. Prior to that, he performed numerous duties on the business side of the ball in both Carolina and Washington. Hmmm, a business man becoming a GM? Nah, guaranteed failure. Minnesota Vikings - they dont have a "true" GM, and the man that occupies that Role, Rob Bezezinski, is the Vice President of Football Operations. They also have a vic president of player personnel. Hmmmm, a team that has a couple of VPs and no "true" GM? nah, it'll never work. Prior to becoming VP, Brzezinski worked in the cap side and business side of football administration. Fell free to explain why these teams do not suck, since they have no "traditional GM" either, after you get your R key fixed. And let me add to that Bill Belichik. Billsvet, I didn't mention coach anywhere either. BB is the Patriots' GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 Ok, Please explain these. Jerry Jones - GM of the cowboys. He doesn't have traditional GM experience and he's an owner. At times he's given all personnel power to coaches. At times he is the only GM. But he doesn't have a "true personnel background" Marty Hurney - GM of the Panthers. He doesn't have a "true personnel background" Before becoming carolina's GM, he was their cap manager. Prior to that, he performed numerous duties on the business side of the ball in both Carolina and Washington. Hmmm, a business man becoming a GM? Nah, guaranteed failure. Minnesota Vikings - they dont have a "true" GM, and the man that occupies that Role, Rob Bezezinski, is the Vice President of Football Operations. They also have a vic president of player personnel. Hmmmm, a team that has a couple of VPs and no "true" GM? nah, it'll never work. Prior to becoming VP, Brzezinski worked in the cap side and business side of football administration. Fell free to explain why these teams do not suck, since they have no "traditional GM" either, after you get your R key fixed. Dallas hasn't won a playoff game since 1996. Jones' moves (trading a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy Williams) still make many NFL experts scratch their heads, and this season it's 5-4 for an team with too many stars and not enough wins. Hurney? Carolina's been up and down the past few years. So much so that John Fox's job was in question until recently. THe last two years have produced 7-9 and 8-8 records. The year before was a playoff team, but they're not a perennial contender. I will say Hurney's had the foresight to draft OL and DL early and often. How come business man Hurney does this, while our franchise can't? And the Vikings. Zygi Wilf has really done a marvelous job shelling out big dollars in the past couple years. Whomever is responsible for hiring Brad Childress might be out the door with BC if the Vikes don't make the post-season this year. All in all, none of those teams have had long term success. And let me add to that Bill Belichik. Billsvet, I didn't mention coach anywhere either. BB is the Patriots' GM. BB is not the GM. As a matter of fact, NE has no de facto GM. BB and Scott Pioli (Veep of Personnel) share the duties, and have been the exception to the rule of having a GM. Both know talent when they see it, and have complemented each other well for many years. As for the comparison to Buffalo, we feature the three headed monster of Guy, Modrak, and Brandon. The former two have been handling personnel in Buffalo since at least 2001, and should share some blame for a franchise which is 8 year w/o a playoff appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Finding a Franchise QB certainly helps. we had one 3 weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Finding a Franchise QB certainly helps. Getting the most from the QBs talent is even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Everyone knows how bad Detroit is and their absolutely terrible record during the Millen era. But looking at the other awful NFL franchises, they all have one thing in common: the lack of a real General Manager with a personnel background. Millen was hired without any previous personnel experience. Cincinnati fans are putting a billboard up asking owner/GM Mike Brown to hire a GM. KC has the the man Jason Whitlock at the Star calls, "King Carl" Peterson. Oakland still has Al Davis calling the personnel shots. Those four teams will be drafting in the top 5 come April. All of those guys are terrible talent evaluators, and their teams have become jokes. So much so that in the last five seasons, those four franchises have produced a mere 2 playoff teams. In an era where a salary cap exists and parity is almost predictable, some teams have still had no success while others routinely win. It's a lack of true talent evaluators and sound football minds that's been missing in Buffalo. For as much heat as DJ rightfully takes, it's time to demand an experienced football executive with solid personnel experience. Maybe then this franchise can regain some semblance of a winning culture. bad franchises have a lot of things in common and it starts with the owner, then the front office, then the coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 bad franchises have a lot of things in common and it starts with the owner, then the front office, then the coaches And it's spelled, L O S I N G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 bad franchises have a lot of things in common and it starts with the owner, then the front office, then the coaches It should strike everyone as strange that Ralph decided against hiring a GM when Marv retired. Sure, the argument was all about keeping the front office intact, but the results are clearly evident. Maintaining continuity in front office personnel is superceded by having a winning team. Clearly the execs aren't good enough, and now it's time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender51 Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Wait so the correlation between bad franchises tends to be their GM? Okay, Captain Obvious... Find any correlations between skin color and basketball talent? What's next, are you going to tell me your more likely to succeed in hockey if your team has a goalie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudi Arabia Rob Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 I agree and have made similar posts. I don't know where they got this Russ Brandon from or what his experience level is, but in listening to him he doesn't strike me as being all there. The recent track record for the draft and free agent signings is poor. That points to a lack of ability on the part of Modrak and Guy to identify talent. It's amazing that none of them have been fired. I'd fire all 3 of them. Ralph has been running the Bills like a business, so he hired Brandon to be the executive to run the entire operation. Brandon's been his trusted guy for years and the person most attribute to expanding the marketing base to keep people in seats, thus keeping the Bills here. I'm not advocating its the right model, but Brandon didn't just come out of the woodwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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