Kelly the Dog Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 But it says nothing about a tax credit there. Is it just, as Kelly says, poorly written and taken out of context? Integrate Service into Learning * Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. They will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience. Green Job Corps: Obama and Biden will create an energy-focused youth jobs program to provide disadvantaged youth with service opportunities weatherizing buildings and getting practical experience in fast-growing career fields. * Expand YouthBuild Program: Obama and Biden will expand the YouthBuild program, which gives disadvantaged young people the chance to complete their high school education, learn valuable skills and build affordable housing in their communities. They will grow the program so that 50,000 low-income young people a year a chance to learn construction job skills and complete high school. * Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. * Promote College Serve-Study: Obama and Biden will ensure that at least 25 percent of College Work-Study funds are used to support public service opportunities instead of jobs in dining halls and libraries. http://change.gov/agenda/service/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 But it says nothing about a tax credit there. Is it just, as Kelly says, poorly written and taken out of context? Sure its poorly written it was probably written by a Harvard grad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Sure its poorly written it was probably written by a Harvard grad. You're right. A Boces man like yourself is much better suited to wordsmithing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Paul Volcker, he older than Ralph Wilson isnt he? So in order to go to a public school you have to do this in other words pay the school tax than to what he saysIncidently that PIG comment is a requirement, no joke IF you live in NYS you should know that. And I am WAY past school It's never too late to go back to school. As far as I know, Communism isn't positively associated with aging. As Kelly noted, it is NOT a requirement for a public school, rather a goal. It may be a requirement for college IF you want to take the tax credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 You're right. A Boces man like yourself is much better suited to wordsmithing. Ah see another elitist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 It's never too late to go back to school. As far as I know, Communism isn't positively associated with aging. As Kelly noted, it is NOT a requirement for a public school, rather a goal. It may be a requirement for college IF you want to take the tax credit. "by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school " It says what it says I wonder if they will eliminate the college work study program.Actually what they are proposing is an expansion of government by having college students work for government and pay them for it under the guise of college assistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 All I heard during the campaign and now after from these clowns is that everything is taken out of context or misunderstood. The guy is the future President of the United States You think he would hire people that could write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Boy that sucks. I thought community service was just for criminals, and of course I am very happy to have volunteer military people who are willing to kill and be maimed for me so I can sit around and watch TV. And my kids should enjoy those same freedoms. I wonder if it's too late to take back my vote? It's unAmerican for the government to set a goal for kids to pitch in and help their country be a better place to live. Of course, maybe it's not true. You guys better slow down, and the rate you are worrying over this you'll give yourselves a heart attack or stroke before the inauguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 It's never too late to go back to school. As far as I know, Communism isn't positively associated with aging. As Kelly noted, it is NOT a requirement for a public school, rather a goal. It may be a requirement for college IF you want to take the tax credit. Not what the page says though...and it would be awfully odd wording even if it did. But fundamentally...it's a web page, not an act of Congress. I don't like the idea of "requiring" community service for the privilege of...what, exactly? (Community service in exchange for a college tax credit...that's another thing, and fundamentally not "required" service.) But I'm more willing to believe it's just an idea brainstormed on to a web site, rather than detailed statement of intent. And after Congress got their hooks into it, it wouldn't be "required community service" anyway...it would be some sort of !@#$ed-up bizarro "requirement" that exempts so many people (can't inflict it on low-income families, it'll interfere with their livelihood. And have to put in an exemption for high-income families, because God forbid Congressmen's own children have to perform community service...but just in case, let's make sure interning on the Hill counts as "community service", just in case they want to perform "service" without actually working) it'll make a mockery of itself. No sense pants-wetting over a bad web page when Congress hasn't even dreamed of !@#$ing up the concept yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 "by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school "It says what it says I wonder if they will eliminate the college work study program.Actually what they are proposing is an expansion of government by having college students work for government and pay them for it under the guise of college assistance Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. http://change.gov/agenda/service/ This page has far more info, and is far more developed than the one originally posted. Believe what ever you want, i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 And by the way..."change.gov"? Are you !@#$ing kidding me? That's almost as ironic as "anarchist-studies.org". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Unless you like bed-wetting. Congress has other fish to fry and I think they know it. Interestingly my husband's school required 100 hours of community service to graduate. It was a private school...you know, supposedly private schools give you a better education...so if a private school like Jesuit College Preparatory School in Dallas requires it, maybe it's actually a good thing for the student as well as the community. Just a thought. I think this is a tempest in a teacup. I presume there will be incentives for community service. Frankly doing volunteer work is fun and builds character so I cannot imagine why anyone wouldn't do it. But I don't believe that students will be conscripted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Not what the page says though...and it would be awfully odd wording even if it did. But fundamentally...it's a web page, not an act of Congress. I don't like the idea of "requiring" community service for the privilege of...what, exactly? (Community service in exchange for a college tax credit...that's another thing, and fundamentally not "required" service.) But I'm more willing to believe it's just an idea brainstormed on to a web site, rather than detailed statement of intent. And after Congress got their hooks into it, it wouldn't be "required community service" anyway...it would be some sort of !@#$ed-up bizarro "requirement" that exempts so many people (can't inflict it on low-income families, it'll interfere with their livelihood. And have to put in an exemption for high-income families, because God forbid Congressmen's own children have to perform community service...but just in case, let's make sure interning on the Hill counts as "community service", just in case they want to perform "service" without actually working) it'll make a mockery of itself. No sense pants-wetting over a bad web page when Congress hasn't even dreamed of !@#$ing up the concept yet... See above. And, I completely agree with your point that is unlikely to be adopted in any meaningful way, anyway. With that said, I have no fundamental objection to the idea of required service from our students, provided all were required to fulfill the requirement, and the service options were appropriately diverse and flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 What's not to like about that? A few things: -To force gov't compulsion of work is a destruction of freedom -The type of work you are to do that is "mandatory" I'm sure will not include religious organizations (as that's taboo in lib land) -Destroys the idea of parenting by parents and perpetuates motherment by decreasing personal responsibility for both the parents and the children in proper development Should I go on or do you really not see the problem with what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Unless you like bed-wetting. Congress has other fish to fry and I think they know it. Interestingly my husband's school required 100 hours of community service to graduate. It was a private school...you know, supposedly private schools give you a better education...so if a private school like Jesuit College Preparatory School in Dallas requires it, maybe it's actually a good thing for the student as well as the community. Just a thought. I think this is a tempest in a teacup. I presume there will be incentives for community service. Frankly doing volunteer work is fun and builds character so I cannot imagine why anyone wouldn't do it. But I don't believe that students will be conscripted. My point was that, until and unless it gets to Congress, it's talk. The president can't mandate community service, and certainly can't give a tax credit for it...that's a Congressional act. Until it gets to that point, it's just talk, and I won't worry. And I doubt it'll come down to conscripting students, either. Stranger things have happened, though...but again, although I see where that particular page implies that, I don't see where that page should be taken so seriously, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Interestingly my husband's school required 100 hours of community service to graduate. It was a private school...you know, supposedly private schools give you a better education...so if a private school like Jesuit College Preparatory School in Dallas requires it, maybe it's actually a good thing for the student as well as the community. What you believe and what is then mandated will be 2 different things. Now to answer your husband's background is fairly elementary in regards to your analogy: 1st His school's mandate was voluntary and contractual 2nd (Change USA Prez) is mandatory by compulsion. I would never analogously link a school your husband contracted with and your husband retained full volition with state compulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Yes, with economic advisers like Paul Volcker, Warren Buffett and T. Boone Pickens, I'm certain he is a devout Communist. I think it's back to school for you, Boomer. But, keep in mind, if you take the govt's $$, you may have to give something back in service. Deano, Warren Buffet is a socialist didn't you get the message? You're right. A Boces man like yourself is much better suited to wordsmithing. Ah see another elitist Isn't your superior attitude snobbery? "by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school "It says what it says I wonder if they will eliminate the college work study program.Actually what they are proposing is an expansion of government by having college students work for government and pay them for it under the guise of college assistance God forbid kids are kept off the streets and learn about working together while accomplishing a great deal for the country. Yeah, that's stupid. 50 hours a year is less than an hour a week. God forbid kids learn time management and responsibility. Not what the page says though...and it would be awfully odd wording even if it did. But fundamentally...it's a web page, not an act of Congress. I don't like the idea of "requiring" community service for the privilege of...what, exactly? (Community service in exchange for a college tax credit...that's another thing, and fundamentally not "required" service.) But I'm more willing to believe it's just an idea brainstormed on to a web site, rather than detailed statement of intent. And after Congress got their hooks into it, it wouldn't be "required community service" anyway...it would be some sort of !@#$ed-up bizarro "requirement" that exempts so many people (can't inflict it on low-income families, it'll interfere with their livelihood. And have to put in an exemption for high-income families, because God forbid Congressmen's own children have to perform community service...but just in case, let's make sure interning on the Hill counts as "community service", just in case they want to perform "service" without actually working) it'll make a mockery of itself. No sense pants-wetting over a bad web page when Congress hasn't even dreamed of !@#$ing up the concept yet... GD Tom! I am so sick of you adding logic to threads!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 With that said, I have no fundamental objection to the idea of required service from our students, provided all were required to fulfill the requirement, and the service options were appropriately diverse and flexible. I do. Required volunteer work? Encourage it, incentivize it, advertize it...sure. But mandate it? With all the complaining about how the Bush administration infringes individual rights, I don't see how dictating what people will do with their time is anything but worse. How is it that the government data mining my library checkouts is a privacy violation...but the government requiring me to volunteer my time in the library isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 GD Tom! I am so sick of you adding logic to threads!! Hey, did you know Obama's middle name is "Hussein"? He's going to make us all convert to Islam! I don't want to be a raghead! That better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I do. Required volunteer work? Encourage it, incentivize it, advertize it...sure. But mandate it? With all the complaining about how the Bush administration infringes individual rights, I don't see how dictating what people will do with their time is anything but worse. How is it that the government data mining my library checkouts is a privacy violation...but the government requiring me to volunteer my time in the library isn't? If I recall correctly, there was a DRAFT for the military in this country for many years. While I thought it might be an infringement on my rights, I'm not sure that would have flown in a court of law. Of course, as a general rule, I prefer options other than mandating almost anything. And, I sincerely doubt that anything close to a mandate would ever have a remote prayer of becoming the rule of this land. But, again if the choices were diverse enough, and all inclusive, I'm not sure it would be horrible thing. My guess is a large segment of the High School population already does something that I would consider community service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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