SD Jarhead Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Big Cat- As I mentioned earlier I do not mean to slam you, but hope you realize that, yes, it can and most likely will get much worse, at least in the short term, regardless of who is elected President. I lived through the late 70's and early 80's in Buffalo, NY. Let me tell you, what we're experiencing now is nothing like that time. I had a Dad who lost his job (with about 50k others) when Bethlehem Steel closed its doors. Shortly after, my parents divorced and for a short period of time my mother was is a position where we received welfare. Unemployment in Buffalo was between 12-14% if my memory serves me right. Interest rates were above 20%. Good Times! So please don't be mellow dramatic about how 'bad' times are now. As someone mentioned above- you're drinking too much of the Democratic Kool-Aide. We, as a nation are doing very well when compared to those days. I think that we very well could and likely will see similar times as the financial crisis infects mainstreet. It's one thing to read about something and another to live it. I do agree with you that the dynamics today are much different than they were then. In fact, if anything I think we live in a much more dangerous world than we did when I was growing up, but that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT POSSIBLY GET?*Please topic starter: answer this question. That would be me. In actuality, it is going to get worse before it gets better no matter who is elected. Once you've lived enough, you will understand that no matter how bad it is right now, it can always get worse. But I believe an Obama-led America could get a lot worse. First, while Obama is out trying to get the rest of the world to like us again, he is going to make us vulnerable but showing we are no longer resolute in our defense of democracy and human rights. He may be able to assemble a great team that will prevent that, but most Americans thought George W. Bush had assembled a great team for foreign policy. A good team can only be as good as its leader. Obama's thoughts on State Department affairs are fundamentally flawed. Obama reminds me a great deal of Carter. I wonder how Obama would handle another Iran Hostage Crisis. My view is that his early statements about negotiating with terrorist-sponsored states makes him look too weak to deter those states from striking first. Second, our nation's small businesses are going to fail at an even worse rate than they are now if Obama's health care plan and/or tax plan get enacted. Socialism has already been given a head-start with the Wall Street bailout, and Obama's tax plan and mentality, especially with Obama having control of the House and Senate, could very well propel socialism into the official way of life here. Say that isn't possible all you want, but it is and we already aren't that far from it. You only need to look back 15 years ago to the collapse of the super power that was the USSR. If it could happen there, it could happen here. Call me an alarmist, but socialism smashed the economies of the former Soviet republics into shambles. Civil wars and ethnic violence broke out between the republics which compare to our states. And the quality of medical care, educational facilities and residential housing deteriorated all the way from some of the world's highest standards to conditions found in third-world countries. That disarray, destruction and decay was the logical legacy of the application of the collectivist ideal. That ideal included three ideas: the theory of a planned economy, the belief in collective or group rights, and the notion of socialized or state-provided social services. Sound familiar? So, yes, I believe it is entirely reasonable to fear things could get worse with Obama in the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 You actually believe that? Start preparing for a underground economy. Guard your wallet. Uncle Sam will becoming for a lot more when the Dems start pushing all they want to through. See Canada from when Pierre Trudeau got his cradle to grave policies under way. Taxed to death ever since. Ah, more the Republican McFear... I am sooo scared.... and your ptsd boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 Ah, more the Republican McFear... I am sooo scared.... and your ptsd boy! F you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Ah, more the Republican McFear... I am sooo scared.... and your ptsd boy! Biden wasnt trying to scare anybody the other day was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Biden wasnt trying to scare anybody the other day was he? Agreed, it is going both ways this time of year, but Biden's hoof and mouth disease is something else.... "he did say that the world is going to find out that Obama has the metal to stand up to this test." But the damage was done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 F you. Do that you will never go back to dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I am more deeply concerned about the "hero worship" in this country. IMO... Great countries have their heroes. Sad ones NEED their heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed, it is going both ways this time of year, but Biden's hoof and mouth disease is something else.... "he did say that the world is going to find out that Obama has the metal to stand up to this test." But the damage was done... We agree. BTW, even Albright said it was a statement of fact. We're soooooo !@#$. Yippie!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_EAe1N9-M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Big Cat- As I mentioned earlier I do not mean to slam you, but hope you realize that, yes, it can and most likely will get much worse, at least in the short term, regardless of who is elected President. I lived through the late 70's and early 80's in Buffalo, NY. Let me tell you, what we're experiencing now is nothing like that time. I had a Dad who lost his job (with about 50k others) when Bethlehem Steel closed its doors. Shortly after, my parents divorced and for a short period of time my mother was is a position where we received welfare. Unemployment in Buffalo was between 12-14% if my memory serves me right. Interest rates were above 20%. Good Times! So please don't be mellow dramatic about how 'bad' times are now. As someone mentioned above- you're drinking too much of the Democratic Kool-Aide. We, as a nation are doing very well when compared to those days. I think that we very well could and likely will see similar times as the financial crisis infects mainstreet. It's one thing to read about something and another to live it. I do agree with you that the dynamics today are much different than they were then. In fact, if anything I think we live in a much more dangerous world than we did when I was growing up, but that's just my opinion. Great post. Just look at how long it took for the unemployment rate to climb after he stock market crash in 1929. It was only 5% in 1930. Then it double the next year and by the time FDR took office it had sky rocketed to 25%. So yes, it can get worse and we are probaby just at the start of this crap. The government is already taking in fewer tax revenue and all over the country state and local governments are cutting back, which means fewer jobs, whih means less consumer spending which means fewer jobs and so on. So it goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 We agree. BTW, even Albright said it was a statement of fact. We're soooooo !@#$. Yippie!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_EAe1N9-M I saw the interview, she said specifically that the next President, who ever it is will be tested this way, so will McCain and I am pissed... end of the world ptsd deal is coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 I am convinced the majority of America shares my deep concerns. That is why Obama has needed to dilute those concerns by outspending McCain 4-1, which is unprecedented in a U.S. presidential election. Even so, McCain is still within striking distance with less than two weeks left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 I saw the interview, she said specifically that the next President, who ever it is will be tested this way, so will McCain and I am pissed... end of the world ptsd deal is coming! There isn't much that makes me irate enough to throw out senseless F bombs, etc., but your mockery of PTSD is outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I am convinced the majority of America shares my deep concerns. That is why Obama has needed to dilute those concerns by outspending McCain 4-1, which is unprecedented in a U.S. presidential election. Even so, McCain is still within striking distance with less than two weeks left. Virtually every major poll says otherwise. What do you base this on? It's more like 2-1. Perhaps 4-1 right now because McCain spent all his already and Obama had the ridiculous month. But I think it's approximately 600m-300m spent so far. But McCain and his style and history and policies were known about 10x more by the public than Obama's. Moreover, Obama's $5 million-a-day fundraising rate has likely continued in October and will widen the financial gap between the two sides. At that rate, the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute, which tracks money in politics, concluded Tuesday that if Obama and the parties match their record September fundraising, Obama would have more than $350 available to McCain's and the RNC's $230 million — a 3-2 advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 That would be me. In actuality, it is going to get worse before it gets better no matter who is elected. Once you've lived enough, you will understand that no matter how bad it is right now, it can always get worse. But I believe an Obama-led America could get a lot worse. First, while Obama is out trying to get the rest of the world to like us again, he is going to make us vulnerable but showing we are no longer resolute in our defense of democracy and human rights. He may be able to assemble a great team that will prevent that, but most Americans thought George W. Bush had assembled a great team for foreign policy. A good team can only be as good as its leader. Obama's thoughts on State Department affairs are fundamentally flawed. Obama reminds me a great deal of Carter. I wonder how Obama would handle another Iran Hostage Crisis. My view is that his early statements about negotiating with terrorist-sponsored states makes him look too weak to deter those states from striking first. Second, our nation's small businesses are going to fail at an even worse rate than they are now if Obama's health care plan and/or tax plan get enacted. Socialism has already been given a head-start with the Wall Street bailout, and Obama's tax plan and mentality, especially with Obama having control of the House and Senate, could very well propel socialism into the official way of life here. Say that isn't possible all you want, but it is and we already aren't that far from it. You only need to look back 15 years ago to the collapse of the super power that was the USSR. If it could happen there, it could happen here. Call me an alarmist, but socialism smashed the economies of the former Soviet republics into shambles. Civil wars and ethnic violence broke out between the republics which compare to our states. And the quality of medical care, educational facilities and residential housing deteriorated all the way from some of the world's highest standards to conditions found in third-world countries. That disarray, destruction and decay was the logical legacy of the application of the collectivist ideal. That ideal included three ideas: the theory of a planned economy, the belief in collective or group rights, and the notion of socialized or state-provided social services. Sound familiar? So, yes, I believe it is entirely reasonable to fear things could get worse with Obama in the White House. Alarmist, paranoid and fear based on irrational suppositions. You forget that a large number of the countries in the rest of the world did in fact like us and call the US a friend, and after 9-11 the rest of the world was entirely behind us. That good will was completely squandered by the Bush administration and the idea that an Obama administration somehow makes us vulnerable because he "just wants them to like us" is laughable. Second, there was no majority that thought the Bush administration assembled a great team for foreign policy. In fact, alarm bells went off for many who thought he was assembling Nixon/Reagan/Bush I hawks. His team decimated our standing in the world, alienated almost everyone, has caused more harm and instability than good in the world, and those few foolish leaders who sided with his insane policy of pre-emptive force were summarily voted out of power by their people. His foreign policy team might have been the worst in history. Third, it is yet another fallacy to suggest Obama will be worse for the economy that Bush, who quickly squandered a budget surplus, ran us into debt with two horribly mismanaged wars, whose policies of unfettered, unregulated capitalism have put thousands out of work and lined the pockets of the rich leading to the disappearance of the middle class. Fourth, you talk about the the destruction and decay of medical care, education, and housing. Have you looked around lately? The inner cities are dying, left to rot because of Bush's economic policies. Our education system is a disaster. People are abandoning homes turning the suburbs into vacant slums. There are huge swaths of the US tat resemble Third World countries already. And here you are claiming that an Obama administration will make things worse? Is he going to have a tough start in trying to undo all the harm Bush has done? You betcha! But I have no doubt that not only is he up to the task, he's inspired a majority of the nation to let him have the chance. I expect very good things from this man and his administration. But really, the bar has been set so low by the Bush administration and the country is in such a catastrophic mess, how could he not...unless of course McCain somehow gets in. Then the US will continue its decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 There isn't much that makes me irate enough to throw out senseless F bombs, etc., but your mockery of PTSD is outrageous. I am not mocking PTSD as a condition, so sorry if I offended you. I am sorry. That being said, I am mocking McCain and his temperment, because he is trumped up a such a war hero and lauded for his stellar military service. When, while I agree his stint in prison was heroic his service before and his service in the Senate has not been. He has treated his staff poorly and like Senator Barbara Boxer, I have little respect for these kind of people. Given what I have read about him, it is more than likely that he is a spoiled brat, but his short temper and obvious anger when he doesn't get what he wants is revealing about how he would govern. P.S. I have great respect for the Bush's on that line, they always treat those around them with respect, no matter what may be said on the campaign trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 This Country sucks. Just ask all those trying to get into this shiity Country, or all those illegal aliens that are already here. Yup, we suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck. And with all that being said, The Saviour will be anointed Messiah in only 13 days. Thank God, oops, I mean, Thank Obama. Take it easy on the caffeine Dude its only 9 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I'm not sure I'm following you. Are you saying that it's the end of the US as we know it and Obama will be your knight in shinning armour? The morons screaming either of those lines are both idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 This Country sucks. Just ask all those trying to get into this shiity Country, or all those illegal aliens that are already here. Yup, we suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck. And with all that being said, The Saviour will be anointed Messiah in only 13 days. Thank God, oops, I mean, Thank Obama. Take it easy on the caffeine Dude its only 9 AM Yep, we got started early on hump day... My youngest got me up at 5:30 and got the pot going right after, on my fourth cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Brady Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Alarmist, paranoid and fear based on irrational suppositions. Fourth, you talk about the the destruction and decay of medical care, education, and housing. Have you looked around lately? The inner cities are dying, left to rot because of Bush's economic policies. Our education system is a disaster. People are abandoning homes turning the suburbs into vacant slums. There are huge swaths of the US tat resemble Third World countries already. And here you are claiming that an Obama administration will make things worse? Is he going to have a tough start in trying to undo all the harm Bush has done? You betcha! But I have no doubt that not only is he up to the task, he's inspired a majority of the nation to let him have the chance. I expect very good things from this man and his administration. But really, the bar has been set so low by the Bush administration and the country is in such a catastrophic mess, how could he not...unless of course McCain somehow gets in. Then the US will continue its decline. Where ya been, are you 25 years old? This has been the case for at least the last 40 goddamn years. It will continue to be the case for the next 40 goddamn years as long as the genius's continue to support the one party system of voting for latest saviour be it a mainstream repub or dem. Your post is the funniest damn thing I've read in awhile, ya thats it, it all began to crumble when the Shrub was elected 8 years ago. Almost as funny as watching Peolsi suck the Shrubs knob with Barney watching, while yanking on his buddy's Hank And Benny's shaft, to the tune of Trillions. <_< "That's right buddy, you keep laughing" Ron Paul 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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