Cynical Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Then there's what he did last year despite having the HARDEST schedule in the league and the most players on IR ever. Being a bit over dramatic? Did not somebody post on the here the Bills ended up with the 18th hardest schedule by seasons end? A far cry from the "HARDEST" schedule .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I referred to his status on this board, not the media. I don't like the guy any more than most around here do, but he has a track record of success everywhere he's been. As much as he's a jerk, he makes things happen. Buffalo hasn't had a coach like that in an awfully long time. BPLoDR.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billadelphia Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Where's the link? How many coaches never made it to 100 games coached? Who is ahead of him and what are all of their winning %'s? It seems like you're giving 1/2 the story, which is usually the norm for this type of post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 You don't get it though, it's not his fault. He has never had great talent and there are other reasons why he sucks too. Come on now, get with the program here. It's not his fault that his talent has sucked. He's a victim of venomous fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I takes some real guts to post something like this on a board that accepts only positive viewpoints for the most part, I applaud your courage sir. History is not kind to coaches with that long of a record in the league and you couldn't have been more detailed in your analysis. If Dick Jauron suddenly becomes a very successful winning head coach it will be the most incredible shocking turn of events to me. It's strange to me why Losman got the boot to the curb so quickly around here, yet this board loves Dick Jauron (a guy with such a long losing track record) so much. You know what I find most amusing about this? You've actually managed to mask self-praise as a compliment to someone else. For this, we the Egomaniacs of America salute you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Isn't the fact that Jauron being only one of 83 coaches EVER to be around long enough to coach 100+ games, something in and of itself? That's like saying Jim Kelly sucks, because out of ___ quarterbacks that have been to the Super Bowl, he is one of the last QB's to ___. If only 83 have done something good enough to stick around for 100+ games, I think that says something about Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Isn't the fact that Jauron being only one of 83 coaches EVER to be around long enough to coach 100+ games, something in and of itself? That's like saying Jim Kelly sucks, because out of ___ quarterbacks that have been to the Super Bowl, he is one of the last QB's to ___. If only 83 have done something good enough to stick around for 100+ games, I think that says something about Jauron. Yep. It says he's a below average coach compared to his peers that has worked for some dysfunctional and timid organizations that are willing to wait it out and hope his approach finally works somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Isn't the fact that Jauron being only one of 83 coaches EVER to be around long enough to coach 100+ games, something in and of itself? If only 83 have done something good enough to stick around for 100+ games, I think that says something about Jauron. So, when the Bills ditch Jauron, they should run out and hire Bruce Coslett? He is on the list. How about Henning? Come on, Coslett and Henning have both coached over 100+ so they MUST be good, right? Isn't this what you are saying: 100+ games = good coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I'm saying, combined with the horrible teams and decent records, he must be doing SOMETHING right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 So, when the Bills ditch Jauron, they should run out and hire Bruce Coslett? He is on the list.How about Henning? Come on, Coslett and Henning have both coached over 100+ so they MUST be good, right? Isn't this what you are saying: 100+ games = good coach? No, that is not what he is saying at all. He is not saying it is automatic that 100+ games = good coach, but rather that it is worth considering that he has been able to coach 100+ games. I know you want to make your point, but goodness gracious, where is reading comprehension? At least Sisyphean was able to make an actual argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Being a bit over dramatic? Did not somebody post on the here the Bills ended up with the 18th hardest schedule by seasons end? A far cry from the "HARDEST" schedule .... "dramatic"? Uh, no. Inaccurate, perhaps. Forgive me for not having read every post here like I presume you have. Last I knew about it, at the start of the season the W/L % of our opponents was tied for the toughest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 No, that is not what he is saying at all. He is not saying it is automatic that 100+ games = good coach, but rather that it is worth considering that he has been able to coach 100+ games. I know you want to make your point, but goodness gracious, where is reading comprehension? At least Sisyphean was able to make an actual argument... A.) Sisyphean Bills post was not visible when I posted. B.) My reading comprehension is fine. C.) In Jauron's case, why is being able to coach 100+ games worth considering? 32 of those games came as HC of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 BPLoDR.... Right on, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 what do you think Jauron's record would be if he had Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Andre Reed, Darryl Talley, James Lofton, etc on his team? I doubt any coach would have a winning record with those guys. They're a little old to be in the NFL BTW, what was Marvs record before Bflo, was it 100 games? Maybe Dick will be fine. 31-42 record in the NFL: 1978 KC 4-12 1979 KC 7-9 1980 KC 8-8 1981 KC 9-7 1982 KC 3-6 Also found a website that lists his CFL record as 43-31-4 and USFL record of 5-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 I doubt any coach would have a winning record with those guys. They're a little old to be in the NFL 31-42 record in the NFL: 1978 KC 4-12 1979 KC 7-9 1980 KC 8-8 1981 KC 9-7 1982 KC 3-6 Also found a website that lists his CFL record as 43-31-4 and USFL record of 5-13 New math? 31+42=73. By the time Levy reached 100+ games in Buffalo, he was the head coach of a team that went 12-4 and won a playoff game. His teams would go on to make the playoffs every year save 2 for the rest of his career. Jauron, by comparison, has had 1 winning season, did not coach a playoff team in his 100+ surpassing season, has never won a playoff game, and the one season he did coach a playoff team followed it up with 2 losing seasons and getting fired. So, yeah. There is no difference at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRalph Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Who should have been hired, if not Jauron? Mike Sherman? Mike Martz? It was OBVIOUS the major criteria was previous head coaching experience, seeing as the Bills had just failed miserably with two first-timers. I wasn't thrilled with the Jauron hire, but I don't remember too many all-star options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 New math? 31+42=73. He was asking what Marv's record before Buffalo was. And like you said 31+42=73. I didn't bother clarifying that it was less than 100 games because I just assumed people could do the math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Who should have been hired, if not Jauron? Mike Sherman? Mike Martz? It was OBVIOUS the major criteria was previous head coaching experience, seeing as the Bills had just failed miserably with two first-timers. I wasn't thrilled with the Jauron hire, but I don't remember too many all-star options... Maybe previous head coaching experience should not have been such a major factor? Mike McCarthy, Eric Mangini, Sean Payton, and Gary Kubiak were all hired the same year as the Bills recycled Jauron. The first 3 took their teams to playoffs and the 4th has his team arguably headed in the right direction. Heck, even Rod Marinelli has made significant progress it would seem and he's saddled with unadulterated lunacy as far as a front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 He was asking what Marv's record before Buffalo was. And like you said 31+42=73. I didn't bother clarifying that it was less than 100 games because I just assumed people could do the math You are correct. I confused 2 different posts above. Kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRalph Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Maybe previous head coaching experience should not have been such a major factor? Mike McCarthy, Eric Mangini, Sean Payton, and Gary Kubiak were all hired the same year as the Bills recycled Jauron. The first 3 took their teams to playoffs and the 4th has his team arguably headed in the right direction. Heck, even Rod Marinelli has made significant progress it would seem and he's saddled with unadulterated lunacy as far as a front office. How could you even say that? Were you frozen during the previous two regimes? You are naming those guys looking back with three years of hindsight. You're telling me, after hiring D-coordinator Greggo, and then O-coordinator Mularkey, that you would've been excited in 2006 about giving a first time shot to the next young coordinator? You're lying through the keyboard if you say you would've been fine with that. And Jauron's two 7-9 seasons, while short of the playoffs, is better than the 4-12 put up by Mangina ('07) and Kubiak's 6-10 ('06). Payton fell from 10-6 and NFC Championship to 7-9 and out of the NFC playoffs. McCarthy's Packers caught lightning in a bottle last season, but had to win their last 4 to finish 8-8 in '06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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