theesir Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 LOL! Facts. Okay chief, the fact is we don't know who was driving and whether they knew they hit the woman. The "facts" support that they didn't, more than they support that they knew they hit her, kept on their merry way, and parked the car in the driveway like everything was okay. And I guess it's a real stretch to think they were playing music and not sitting there in dead silence. People like this are the flaw in my "rational adult" argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 People like this are the flaw in my "rational adult" argument. That's assuming it is an adult doing the posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeBillsDrive Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 We need this legal distraction like we need a hole in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 What the hell were Ralph and Brandon doing partying with Beast Mode, Hardy, Stevie J and Gaddis at 3:30 AM in Downtown Buffalo....and riding in Marshawn's Porsche SUV...the Taurus must have been in the shop. As a side note -- I wonder what the Defensive side of the ball was doing that night? At Whitner's watching film I bet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonInBuffalo Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So, yeah... I'm pretty sure the players could plead the 5th. The administration cannot.You can only take the 5th if asked a question that incriminates you. So for example if Hardy was asked: Were you with Lynch that evening? Was he driving? I believe Hardy would have no viable means of invoking the 5th, because there's no possible answer that directly incriminates him. Lynch's attorney is just doing his job by telling Lynch to keep quiet. Clark is just doing his job by trying to use every other means at his disposal to resolve the case. It's been less than 2 weeks since the accident occurred. There has been very little national media attention. There's still a very good chance this will get resolved relatively soon. As this continues to play out, somewhere along the way Lynch's attorney may determine that it's time to play let's make a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You can only take the 5th if asked a question that incriminates you. So for example if Hardy was asked: Were you with Lynch that evening? Was he driving? I believe Hardy would have no viable means of invoking the 5th, because there's no possible answer that directly incriminates him. Lynch's attorney is just doing his job by telling Lynch to keep quiet. Clark is just doing his job by trying to use every other means at his disposal to resolve the case. It's been less than 2 weeks since the accident occurred. There has been very little national media attention. There's still a very good chance this will get resolved relatively soon. As this continues to play out, somewhere along the way Lynch's attorney may determine that it's time to play let's make a deal. Actually, the way it works is that the DA can only compel a person to testify at a grand jury proceeding if immunity is granted. Basically, liability will be waived for the Bills to give up the driver. The trick is not to give immunity to the one who did it. If say, Hardy (just an example) was given immunity to speak and admitted he was the driver, there would be no case. The only thing you can't do is lie, then the DA can get you on a perjury charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You can only take the 5th if asked a question that incriminates you. So for example if Hardy was asked: Were you with Lynch that evening? Was he driving? I believe Hardy would have no viable means of invoking the 5th, because there's no possible answer that directly incriminates him. Lynch's attorney is just doing his job by telling Lynch to keep quiet. Clark is just doing his job by trying to use every other means at his disposal to resolve the case. It's been less than 2 weeks since the accident occurred. There has been very little national media attention. There's still a very good chance this will get resolved relatively soon. As this continues to play out, somewhere along the way Lynch's attorney may determine that it's time to play let's make a deal. Anyone else notice that everyone BUT Lynch is getting subpoenaed? Take this quote from the article into account: "Prosecutors can compel a person to testify before a grand jury, but only if they give the person immunity from prosecution for the crime in question." Since the players and front office are being compelled to testify, and as such given immunity, doesn't it seem clear the police know Lynch was driving and will have the sworn testimony to back that up after the grand jury? Why else give the other players immunity, but keep Lynch out of the grand jury proceedings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Anyone else notice that everyone BUT Lynch is getting subpoenaed? Take this quote from the article into account:"Prosecutors can compel a person to testify before a grand jury, but only if they give the person immunity from prosecution for the crime in question." Since the players and front office are being compelled to testify, and as such given immunity, doesn't it seem clear the police know Lynch was driving and will have the sworn testimony to back that up after the grand jury? Why else give the other players immunity, but keep Lynch out of the grand jury proceedings? It will really mess them up if one of the others admits to it with full immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ_BillsFan Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Wait a second........Marshawyn Lynch was involved in a hit & run??!!??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Sniffer Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I would say it's a fair response given Lynch's refusal to talk. How smart does Lynch and his attorney look now? It's a felony to lie to a grand jury, so if Brandon met with Lynch about the incident and Lynch told him who was invlolved, Russ gets to be the whistle blower if he is asked to testify first. .....And if Russ told Ralph what happened, then Ralph might have the same opportunity. Great move by the DA. I would imagine that the Bills will suggest to Marshawn that he go talk to the police very soon. Sorry, but Lynch has acted in a stupid fashion throughout this. This was an accident and he (and/or the driver if not him) is turning it into a crime. Character? He's lacking a bunch. He does further damage to himself and the team for each day that goes by without resolving this. Stupid. and BINGO was his nameo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 If Lynch and his drinking buddies drove away to AVOID trouble, I dare say they may have gessed wrong ... Unless everyone in the vehicle was drunk at the time and knew there'd be a DWI coming if they stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 That's assuming it is an adult doing the posting. True, but rational doesn't mean intelligent, obviously. Blaring, playing, to "ghetto punks" it's the same thing. But I'm still waiting to hear how they knew they hit her. Hell even "a law enforcement official" offered that excuse after recounting the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 and BINGO was his nameo. You are assuming his high-powered attorney didn't think of this; any good attorney would advise lynch to talk to no one about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It will really mess them up if one of the others admits to it with full immunity. Possibly, but if other facts later come to light that contradict that perjured testimony, it won't keep the driver off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Wow, either this DA/Police official is a total bigot or he's got a serious axe to grind. What is his problem!? For you old timers... how is he even remotely a bigot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You can only take the 5th if asked a question that incriminates you. So for example if Hardy was asked: Were you with Lynch that evening? Was he driving? I believe Hardy would have no viable means of invoking the 5th, because there's no possible answer that directly incriminates him. Lynch's attorney is just doing his job by telling Lynch to keep quiet. Clark is just doing his job by trying to use every other means at his disposal to resolve the case. It's been less than 2 weeks since the accident occurred. There has been very little national media attention. There's still a very good chance this will get resolved relatively soon. As this continues to play out, somewhere along the way Lynch's attorney may determine that it's time to play let's make a deal. If they were involved in the crime, wouldn't answering any questions potentially incriminate them? If he answers the "was lynch driving" question, he could be incriminating himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 True, but rational doesn't mean intelligent, obviously. Blaring, playing, to "ghetto punks" it's the same thing. But I'm still waiting to hear how they knew they hit her. Hell even "a law enforcement official" offered that excuse after recounting the circumstances. For the 3rd time, unless you know that they were playing music at a volume that would have precluded them from hearing a person bounce off the car, stop speculating it. Okay chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmoove Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 From the story ... Problems with police Police told The Buffalo News that Lynch has no arrest record in New York State and has a clean driving record in the state. But some police officers in Buffalo and Hamburg are not surprised to hear that Lynch is having legal difficulties. Lynch was tossed out of two Chippewa Street bars in recent months because he brought in his own bottle of liquor, which is illegal under state alcohol laws, according to three law enforcement officials. “[buffalo police] have been told by bar owners that he’ll walk in, order a glass of pop and pour his own liquor into it,” one officer said. “He was told that you can’t do that, and it doesn’t matter if you’re Marshawn Lynch.” Law enforcement officials in the Southtowns said Lynch attended a meeting several months ago with three high-ranking members of the Town of Hamburg police. At least one member of Lynch’s family and a Bills security official also attended. The meeting was arranged after Lynch complained that police were being tough on him and his family, said a police official who works closely with that department. “From what I understand, it was a case of ‘Let’s clear the air here,’ ” the source said. “They thought the police were picking on them.” Town police impounded a vehicle that Lynch had been using and lent to a relative. Authorities said the vehicle was impounded after that relative was arrested for violating a vehicle and traffic law. After the impoundment, Lynch went to Police Headquarters to reclaim the vehicle, but police wouldn’t give it to him, because it actually belonged to a local car dealer. Lynch had a disagreement with some police personnel over the release of the vehicle, apparently prompting the clear-the-air meeting, sources said. In addition, Orchard Park police investigated one minor incident, last Dec. 13, near the end of the Bills’ season. A vehicle apparently driven by Lynch struck a pole outside Ralph Wilson Stadium. Police responded, but no charges were filed, according to Orchard Park police records. Town of Hamburg police have dealt with Lynch and his family on mostly minor matters, usually This says a lot ... especially about a millionaire who brings his own liquor TWICE to a bar. Dude, have your bros round some girls up and bring them home. And by the way, don't act like an a$$ at a bar and maybe you won't draw unwanted attention to yourself. Or maybe that's what you want. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Sniffer Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You are assuming his high-powered attorney didn't think of this; any good attorney would advise lynch to talk to no one about it. You are assuming an organization worth 3/4 of a billion dollars, which stresses high character, would not question one of their star players about the incident. Do you HONESTLY think Brandon and Wilson would not of demanded to know what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You are assuming an organization worth 3/4 of a billion dollars, which stresses high character, would not question one of their star players about the incident. Do you HONESTLY think Brandon and Wilson would not of demanded to know what happened? How dense are you? Lynch's attorney obvious would have told him not to talk to anyone. Hell, he knew that they would be called to testify when he took the silent approach. If they did question him, he most definitely did not answer, as all of his attorney's actions point to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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