rockpile Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 This movie *has* to be about Nietzsche, in some sense. Interesting story "Now consider Kubrick's famous use of Richard Strauss' “Thus Spake Zarathustra.'' Inspired by the words of Nietzsche, its five bold opening notes embody the ascension of man into spheres reserved for the gods. It is cold, frightening, magnificent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Interesting story "Now consider Kubrick's famous use of Richard Strauss' “Thus Spake Zarathustra.'' Inspired by the words of Nietzsche, its five bold opening notes embody the ascension of man into spheres reserved for the gods. It is cold, frightening, magnificent." Also, from wikipedia: Nietzsche writes that "man is a bridge between the apes and the Supermen; a laughing stock".[7] In an article in the New York Times, Kubrick gave credence to interpretations of 2001 based on Zarathustra when he said: "Man is the missing link between primitive apes and civilised human beings. Man is really in a very unstable condition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Interesting story "Now consider Kubrick's famous use of Richard Strauss' “Thus Spake Zarathustra.'' Inspired by the words of Nietzsche, its five bold opening notes embody the ascension of man into spheres reserved for the gods. It is cold, frightening, magnificent." I guess that shoots down the theory that he used Ric Flair's theme song to get the wrestling crowd to buy tickets to the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Soland Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I guess that shoots down the theory that he used Ric Flair's theme song to get the wrestling crowd to buy tickets to the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Soland Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Interesting story "Now consider Kubrick's famous use of Richard Strauss' “Thus Spake Zarathustra.'' Inspired by the words of Nietzsche, its five bold opening notes embody the ascension of man into spheres reserved for the gods. It is cold, frightening, magnificent." lol, good call, i forgot to mention that strauss. that's the obvious nietzsche connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 lol, good call, i forgot to mention that strauss. that's the obvious nietzsche connection. looking up the sound track is what made it click for me that this movie was in the realm of nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I guess that shoots down the theory that he used Ric Flair's theme song to get the wrestling crowd to buy tickets to the movie. I'm trying to picture everyone in the theatre letting out a big "WOOOOO", during that music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Okay, so, I saw 2001 tonight for the first time at the Alamo Drafthouse (best theateR EVAR), they were showing an original print of it. What the !@#$ happened in the first 15 minutes, and how the hell does it relate to Nietzsche? (I should note that I've got some ideas about human morality, the place of such morality in philosophy, and such, but no idea if its correct) Anyone else think its a Nietzschean film? Completely Nietzschean: Ape signify's the transition to Human, but with a puzzle humans cant solve Humans are the mediation to the ubermensch Hal > Humans (chess) last part: Dave signify's humans as a dying species, giving way to the new ubermensch Not to take away the philosophical discuusion of this thread, but I was curious to ask you BlueFire, what did you think of the movie? Did you like it? What was the condition of the print? Was there a big audience? 2001 is a very good movie, but it may very well be the slowest movie in cinema history. I swear it feels like 12 hours has past when you are done watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 Not to take away the philosophical discuusion of this thread, but I was curious to ask you BlueFire, what did you think of the movie?Did you like it? What was the condition of the print? Was there a big audience? 2001 is a very good movie, but it may very well be the slowest movie in cinema history. I swear it feels like 12 hours has past when you are done watching it. I liked it a lot. It didn't feel that slow to me, as most of the time I was sitting there thinking about the movie during the slower points. The print was in pretty good condition - just some splotches at the beginning and end of each reel, but other than that, looked and sounded fine. The audience was decently large - about enough to leave a seat between each party that was there, so not completely full, but about 85% or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Not to take away the philosophical discuusion of this thread, but I was curious to ask you BlueFire, what did you think of the movie?Did you like it? What was the condition of the print? Was there a big audience? 2001 is a very good movie, but it may very well be the slowest movie in cinema history. I swear it feels like 12 hours has past when you are done watching it. Were you on acid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 The voice of HAL is a perfect mix of friendly/psychotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 The voice of HAL is a perfect mix of friendly/psychotic. While we're on the topic of sci-fi type movies, the acronym of HAL (which if you increment each letter you get IBM) reminded me. We're approaching the 25th anniversary of another great movie...War Games Would you like to play a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 ...We're approaching the 25th anniversary of another great movie...War Games Would you like to play a game? There's a sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 I'm familiar with the Junkers. Nietzsche was born in Prussia. That's a fact. However, it is a rather facile understanding of Nietzsche and his thought to label him as proto-fascist or to label him as an avatar of the Nordic Nationalism that culminated in National Socialism. I will not disagree that there have been those who have bastardized Nietzsche's thought for their own purposes, nefarious or otherwise. Nietzsche's own sister, Elizabeth, took Nietzsche's writings after his death and manipulated them for her own reasons, which included fomenting sympathy for German nationalist causes. This co-opting was where the persistent falsehood of his proto-fascism took root. It is not Nietzsche's fault that lesser minds see identity between his thought and National Socialism. He is certainly one of the most misunderstood philosophers of recent memory. The "radical" nature of his ideas and the destruction that his thought rained on established modes of discourse has caused lesser minds to seek to pigeonhole him into a readily available historical template. The irony is, of course, that the very thrust of Nietzsche's life and thought was to dismantle and transform these historical templates so that new modes of thought and life could be erected in their place. In other words, Nietzsche was not a proto-nazi. The Nordic history and tradition that culminated in National Socialism has its roots long before Nietzsche ever was born. Nietzsche, if anything, was the harshest critic of such fanatical, mindless zeal, a zeal that Nietzsche saw as being detrimental to the transformation of consciousness and the reevaluation of all values. Oh I thought you were talking about that bar on Allen where we useed to listen to bluegrass in the early 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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