The Dean Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I appreciate your argument, but the bolded part is WHY you take the best player available. Theoretically, the best rated player has a better chance of panning out. And, you can NEVER have enough good players, regardless of position. GO BILLS!!! If the best player available is guaranteed to sit on the bench for a year or two, how can he help the team, next year? The only way Ryan could help the Bills next year, is if he plays. That's the worst possible scenario for this team, and Ryan. Now, lets assume the Bills have Ryan as their highest rated player on the board, when they pick at #11. If there really isn't another worthy player, at a position of need, at 11 AND the team can't make a favorable trade down, then maybe he becomes the default draft pick. But that would also presume there is a real difference in the ranking (and RATING) between the two players. None of us know how the Bills rate and rank draft prospects. But, there are likely a bunch of players with VERY similar ratings ranked within 10 picks of one another. For the sake of discussion, let's say there is 2 points, or so, of rating difference (on a 100 point scale) between 10 players For example (let's just start at #10): Rank Rating 10 88.0 11 87.8 12 87.7 13 87.5 14 87.3 15 87.1 16 86.9 17 86.7 18 86.5 19 86.4 20 86.2 Suppose Ryan is #11 with a 87.8 rating and a WR is #16 with an 86.9 rating. Are you telling me that you would trust your rating system enough to pick a player simply because there was a fractional difference in their ratings? To complicate matters, further, let's suppose the following: there is a CB (or another perceived position of need) at #19 rated at 86.4. The next best CB is is rated in the 60's and is FAR down your rating list. There is another WR, ranked, let's say, #28 by the team, with a 85+ rating, that is likely to be there in Rd #2? What do you do? The entire "best player available" vs "need" discussion, is overly simplistic and a fool's argument. Rating, ranking, need, depth of the position in the draft, etc. are ALL taken into consideration. Some teams may value one of these factors while other teams weight another factor more. But, "best player" vs "need"? Not a productive discussion, without context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsD#1in2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 ok if DRC or Mcklevin dropped to 11 i would take them definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stroud for Pro Bowl 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 What if Derrick Harvey is already off the board, and the best two cornerbacks are gone as well?? You draft Kieth Rivers and thank the Lord while Goddell is reading the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 You draft Kieth Rivers and thank the Lord while Goddell is reading the card. As one of the few who wouldn't have a problem drafting Rivers. Rare is the lb, who comes into the pros who excells in the most underrated aspect of pass coverage. With the signing of Kawika Mitchell it's probably out the window though. If it were to happen though. It sure gives the Bills a lot of leverage, when Crowells contract is up I believe after this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Easy decision for me. De- Derrick Harvey University of Florida. ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 The entire "best player available" vs "need" discussion, is overly simplistic and a fool's argument. Rating, ranking, need, depth of the position in the draft, etc. are ALL taken into consideration. Some teams may value one of these factors while other teams weight another factor more. But, "best player" vs "need"? Not a productive discussion, without context. No, you're stupid! Thanks, Dean. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Why is the best WR rated only 27th on our draft boards? The idea is impractial. Better, the top WR is rated #15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Picking at 11, if there is a very highly rated DE, DT, or LB that they feel fits their scheme... PLEASE take him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 If the best player available is guaranteed to sit on the bench for a year or two, how can he help the team, next year? The only way Ryan could help the Bills next year, is if he plays. That's the worst possible scenario for this team, and Ryan. Now, lets assume the Bills have Ryan as their highest rated player on the board, when they pick at #11. If there really isn't another worthy player, at a position of need, at 11 AND the team can't make a favorable trade down, then maybe he becomes the default draft pick. But that would also presume there is a real difference in the ranking (and RATING) between the two players. None of us know how the Bills rate and rank draft prospects. But, there are likely a bunch of players with VERY similar ratings ranked within 10 picks of one another. For the sake of discussion, let's say there is 2 points, or so, of rating difference (on a 100 point scale) between 10 players For example (let's just start at #10): Rank Rating 10 88.0 11 87.8 12 87.7 13 87.5 14 87.3 15 87.1 16 86.9 17 86.7 18 86.5 19 86.4 20 86.2 Suppose Ryan is #11 with a 87.8 rating and a WR is #16 with an 86.9 rating. Are you telling me that you would trust your rating system enough to pick a player simply because there was a fractional difference in their ratings? To complicate matters, further, let's suppose the following: there is a CB (or another perceived position of need) at #19 rated at 86.4. The next best CB is is rated in the 60's and is FAR down your rating list. There is another WR, ranked, let's say, #28 by the team, with a 85+ rating, that is likely to be there in Rd #2? What do you do? The entire "best player available" vs "need" discussion, is overly simplistic and a fool's argument. Rating, ranking, need, depth of the position in the draft, etc. are ALL taken into consideration. Some teams may value one of these factors while other teams weight another factor more. But, "best player" vs "need"? Not a productive discussion, without context. Great post......people should read this post!!!!(not just skim it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Your Draft Value Board and mine might look different. Here's mine for Round 1. The number before the name is the spot at which I expect them to be drafted. It has Malcolm Kelly the 11th best player in this year's draft. Coincidentally, that's the number of our pick. Round 1, Pick #11 QB 8Matt Ryan - Boston College RB 6Darren McFadden - AK 211 4.3 18R. Mendenhall - Illinois 225 4.4 22Jonathan Stewart - Ore 235 4.4 30Felix Jones - Arkansas 207 4.4 FB (None) WR 11Malcolm Kelly - OK biggest 224, 4.55 19Devin Thomas - MichSt, #1, KR 4.4 20DeSean Jackson - CA fast,short 169, 4.35 24Limas Sweed - Texas 215 4.52 28James Hardy - IN tallest,char 217, 4.51 TE (None) OT 5Jake Long - Michigan 14Jeff Otah - Pittsburgh 12Ryan Clady - Boise State 13Chris Williams - Vanderbilt 32Gosder Cherilus - BC OG 23Branden Albert - Virginia C (None) DE 5Chris Long - Virginia 1Vernon Gholston - Ohio St 16Derrick Harvey - Florida 15Phillip Merling - Clemson 21Calais Campbell - Miami DT 3Glenn Dorsey - LSU 4Sedrick Ellis - USC 25Kentwan Balmer - NC OLB DT10 Keith Rivers - USC ILB (None) CB 7Leodis McKelvin - Troy 10D. Rodgers-Cromartie Ten St 4.33 18Mike Jenkins - USF char issue 27*Aqib Talib - Kansas shoboat 30Antoine Cason - AZ FS 29Kenny Phillips - Miami 212, 4.4 SS (None) Astrobot, I like the way you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Why is the best WR rated only 27th on our draft boards? The idea is impractial. Better, the top WR is rated #15. Most Draft analysts don't show a WR in their "Top Player" list until about pick 20 this year. If you'd prefer to answer the question using #20 as the position on our draftboard of the first WR, feel free to offer your selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 "Take the Best Player Available regardless of position" so if Matt Ryan is there 7/12 people want to take him. Matt Ryan is not the best athlete available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I'd take the #27 WR, since I have him rated much higher than #27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 I'd take the #27 WR, since I have him rated much higher than #27. OK, switch it up: It's the 11 pick and you're up. Still available is a player the Bill's had as #2 overall in the draft, an OLineman. That OLineman is 17 players better on the Bill's draft board than the highest rated WR at 19. Your selection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Gibran Hamdan, just so he can be known as a 1st rd QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I'd take the #27 WR, since I have him rated much higher than #27. TD, is that you?? The 'medalists' of draft-for-need Bills: Bronze--Tom Ruud Silver--Phil Doaks Gold--Eric Flowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 TD, is that you?? The 'medalists' of draft-for-need Bills: Bronze--Tom Ruud Silver--Phil Doaks Gold--Eric Flowers With the good news being that based upon the poll results, 85% of Bill's fans are not as mad as Hatters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 LOL at the complaints that this poll is biased. Ummm, it's not biased -- it's asking a hypothetical. There's a difference. It's like saying the hypothetical "If you win a hundred million dollars, what would you do with it?" is a biased question. "But how do you know you've won a hundred million dollars? That's biased! You're biased against spending frugally! You evil person, you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I say Malcolm Kelly again. Good to see he can run relatively fast. Back as my #1 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 WR rated as the 27th best player? Wtf lol. lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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