LabattBlue Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Christ...this is the best picture they could find of him for a front page story on nfl.com... http://nfl.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 They should have a 9 second video of him holding the ball in the pocket too long, getting hit, and fumbling to blow it in a close game with a couple minutes left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Against third-stringers or on his @#$% back looking at the Jumbotron to see where that truck came from that ran him over while he was looking for his man downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooshocker Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 First, let me introduce myself as a lifelong Bills fan, longtime reader of TBD and finally, a confused member of this conversation. Why is it, whenever someone gets cut, traded, released, etc., we as "fans" jump in the middle of their *^&% and begin nitpicking everything little thing about them...aka, a picture of them on a national website as a potential "winner" in this league. How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. Just wondering? Now that he is gone, he is the worst thing that ever stepped foot in the Ralph!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 First, let me introduce myself as a lifelong Bills fan, longtime reader of TBD and finally, a confused member of this conversation. Why is it, whenever someone gets cut, traded, released, etc., we as "fans" jump in the middle of their *^&% and begin nitpicking everything little thing about them...aka, a picture of them on a national website as a potential "winner" in this league. How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. Just wondering? Now that he is gone, he is the worst thing that ever stepped foot in the Ralph!?!? 765893[/snapback] You make way too much sense for some of the Drew bashers on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 You make way too much sense for some of the Drew bashers on this board. 765899[/snapback] I didn't understand what he was saying either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Generally speaking, and for the most part, I would agree with you. However, in Drew’s case I think a lot of Bill’s fans feel that he really wasn’t all that interested in the team and Buffalo, as much as it was just a good paying job…win or lose. He would work only at a certain level of his talent, and maybe have a good game or two, throughout the season, but would never go beyond that minimal level of his talent. It never seemed to bother him to lose.....oh well just another game. At times, even when he was at NE I got the impression that he was almost bothered that they “had to” play beyond the regular season into the playoff’s and SB. I never got the impression that he had an absolute burning desire to bust his balls, and to do whatever it took to be a SB champ. I never remember hearing him express that passion to be number-one. My impression is that if he got there with his talent and minimal effort from time to time, that that would be ok. To me he is that kind of guy that we have all worked with at one time or another that puts in his minimum effort but never interested going above and beyond the call, as it were, to achieve that level that they could achieve with extra effort and commitment necessary to get to the next level. So I guess it’s just some frustration with his Bills performance to jump on the “bash Drew” bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 First, let me introduce myself as a lifelong Bills fan, longtime reader of TBD and finally, a confused member of this conversation. Why is it, whenever someone gets cut, traded, released, etc., we as "fans" jump in the middle of their *^&% and begin nitpicking everything little thing about them...aka, a picture of them on a national website as a potential "winner" in this league. How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. Just wondering? Now that he is gone, he is the worst thing that ever stepped foot in the Ralph!?!? 765893[/snapback] Generally speaking, and for the most part, I would agree with you. However, in Drew’s case I think a lot of Bill’s fans feel that he really wasn’t all that interested in the team and Buffalo, as much as it was just a good paying job…win or lose. He would work only at a certain level of his talent, and maybe have a good game or two, throughout the season, but would never go beyond that minimal level of his talent. It never seemed to bother him to lose.....oh well just another game. At times, even when he was at NE I got the impression that he was almost bothered that they “had to” play beyond the regular season into the playoff’s and SB. I never got the impression that he had an absolute burning desire to bust his balls, and to do whatever it took to be a SB champ. I never remember hearing him express that passion to be number-one. My impression is that if he got there with his talent and minimal effort from time to time, that that would be ok. To me he is that kind of guy that we have all worked with at one time or another that puts in his minimum effort but never interested going above and beyond the call, as it were, to achieve that level that they could achieve with extra effort and commitment necessary to get to the next level. So I guess it’s just some frustration with his Bills performance to jump on the “bash Drew” bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Christ...this is the best picture they could find of him for a front page story on nfl.com...http://nfl.com/ 765869[/snapback] "NO-BODY knows the troubles I've seen..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. 765893[/snapback] Great first post! Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. Just wondering? 765893[/snapback] How many of us thought Drew was washed up after failing to win against the Steelers' backups? Just Wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Why wasn’t BB concerned about trading him to a division opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 First, let me introduce myself as a lifelong Bills fan, longtime reader of TBD and finally, a confused member of this conversation. Why is it, whenever someone gets cut, traded, released, etc., we as "fans" jump in the middle of their *^&% and begin nitpicking everything little thing about them...aka, a picture of them on a national website as a potential "winner" in this league. How many of us would have killed to have had Drew back last year. Just wondering? Now that he is gone, he is the worst thing that ever stepped foot in the Ralph!?!? 765893[/snapback] Welcome to the board.....okay, enough of the pleasantries.... As far as Drew goes, the COWBOYS weren't even sure if they wanted Drew back. See, there are those among us who prefer QBs who can actually do something productive for OUR team when the game is on the line, or when we are in a must win situation. We need someone who will look-off the Burger King. You may not be aware of this (Rico can verify it), but Drew Bledsoe was among the top 5 most annoying people in the WORLD for a period of like three months according to a nationally recognized and completely scientific polling website. It's true.....it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Let it go already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Let it go already. 765961[/snapback] Exactly. I feel ya, bro. I've laid in bed at night after many a Bills game wondering what I could say to Drew to help get him over the hump.....then it hit me....I'd just look him in the eyes and say, "Drew....let it go already." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Generally speaking, and for the most part, I would agree with you. However, in Drew’s case I think a lot of Bill’s fans feel that he really wasn’t all that interested in the team and Buffalo, as much as it was just a good paying job…win or lose. He would work only at a certain level of his talent, and maybe have a good game or two, throughout the season, but would never go beyond that minimal level of his talent. It never seemed to bother him to lose.....oh well just another game. At times, even when he was at NE I got the impression that he was almost bothered that they “had to” play beyond the regular season into the playoff’s and SB. I never got the impression that he had an absolute burning desire to bust his balls, and to do whatever it took to be a SB champ. I never remember hearing him express that passion to be number-one. My impression is that if he got there with his talent and minimal effort from time to time, that that would be ok. To me he is that kind of guy that we have all worked with at one time or another that puts in his minimum effort but never interested going above and beyond the call, as it were, to achieve that level that they could achieve with extra effort and commitment necessary to get to the next level. So I guess it’s just some frustration with his Bills performance to jump on the “bash Drew” bandwagon. 765914[/snapback] I'm not sure why you draw this conclusion. First, it seems contradictory to me that on one hand you argue that he did not seem to care about Buffalo but then site at length examples of him not caring IYHO in NE. Perhaps you want to argue that you do not like him because he doesn't care enough as a football player, but linking in particular to Buffalo does not follow from what you say. As far as saying overall he does not care (or does not care enough). I'm not sure where you draw this conclusion from. He is an older player who could walk away from the the game and "merely" drink brews and fly fish on his several thousand acres he owns in Montana. Maybe he has no answer to the question how much is enough and the paychecks bring him back. However, given that his lung was collapsed and his statue like aspects have forced him to endure dozens of sacks and analysis that he takes this abuse just for the money and does not care would need a little more support than just the theory to be credible. Outside comments and observable incidents seem to indicate that he has taken a variety of actions that most would say were good moves for the team. One can easil y imagine most NFL players throwing a hissy-fit when they played QB in a reserve role for Brady in the must-win AFC championship in the majority of that game and in fact through the winning TD. He definitely lacked passion in not crying more but this seemed a far better response than a TO might take in this case. Tom Brady has also been on record saying how critical it was for him to have Drew's sideline council as he suddenly had to learn to be a vet for NE. Many other players such as fan favorite of many Buffaloanians Flutie were renowned for how little help they gave to a QB they were competing with. Again this may be the lack of passion you are talking about, but given the bruising amd team destroying QB battles here, such a lack of passion would have been nice. I think folks the problem which many TSW folks have with Bledsoe was that he simply sucked here in 2003 and he failed to deliver like the savior they wanted in 2004. I think folks are so pissed off at these horrid performances they allow this bad experience to make them forget the reality that Bledsoe has definite weaknesses which brought about a losing performance here, but also definite strengths (the rocket arm, a ton of experience, a good ball handler) that if he is used properly a team with him at QB can win and probably even make the playoffs (The SB talk abiut the 'Boys seems silly to me and probably mostly stems from folks knowing their names). I think the real explanation is that many TSW and other observers are so bruised by their disappointment that they refuse to acknowledge that with a good HC/OC that uses DB's strengths and stays away from his weaknesses (to some part through one of the great football uronies is that one way to fight DB from being overwhelmed by the blitz you have to run him on the QB draw from time to time to force LB and rushers to not sell themselves out for the sack by taking outside angles) one can get results of the team certainly having a winning record and possibly even making the playoffs with DB at QB. At this point on the backside of his career. DG is clearly not capable of being some savior who can carry a team to the playoffs on his shoulders. However, he shows signs of being a QB who is adequate to the task of sharing leadership with good ST players and a good D with big play guys to produce a good result for your team. In general, many Buffalo fans are even more locked into the past that your QB must be an HOF player as Jimbo was than they are locked into a mode that every DE needs to be Bruce Smith or they suck. They loved it that Flutie twice QB'ed this team to playoff berths, but he did not have the right demographics of being tall enough or his arm strong enough that the fact the team won under him was not good enough. Bledsoe disappointed many Bills fans because finally we got a guy who was tall enough and had a great arm, but lo and behold he was not good enough to get us to the playoffs, therefore folks jump to the false conclusion he can do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 In general, many Buffalo fans are even more locked into the past that your QB must be an HOF player as Jimbo was than they are locked into a mode that every DE needs to be Bruce Smith or they suck. 765964[/snapback] There will never be another Jimbo. I'd just be happy with the next Frank Reich! RALLY 'ROUND REICH, BABY!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I'm not sure why you draw this conclusion. First, it seems contradictory to me that on one hand you argue that he did not seem to care about Buffalo but then site at length examples of him not caring IYHO in NE. Perhaps you want to argue that you do not like him because he doesn't care enough as a football player, but linking in particular to Buffalo does not follow from what you say. As far as saying overall he does not care (or does not care enough). I'm not sure where you draw this conclusion from. He is an older player who could walk away from the the game and "merely" drink brews and fly fish on his several thousand acres he owns in Montana. Maybe he has no answer to the question how much is enough and the paychecks bring him back. However, given that his lung was collapsed and his statue like aspects have forced him to endure dozens of sacks and analysis that he takes this abuse just for the money and does not care would need a little more support than just the theory to be credible. Outside comments and observable incidents seem to indicate that he has taken a variety of actions that most would say were good moves for the team. One can easil y imagine most NFL players throwing a hissy-fit when they played QB in a reserve role for Brady in the must-win AFC championship in the majority of that game and in fact through the winning TD. He definitely lacked passion in not crying more but this seemed a far better response than a TO might take in this case. Tom Brady has also been on record saying how critical it was for him to have Drew's sideline council as he suddenly had to learn to be a vet for NE. Many other players such as fan favorite of many Buffaloanians Flutie were renowned for how little help they gave to a QB they were competing with. Again this may be the lack of passion you are talking about, but given the bruising amd team destroying QB battles here, such a lack of passion would have been nice. I think folks the problem which many TSW folks have with Bledsoe was that he simply sucked here in 2003 and he failed to deliver like the savior they wanted in 2004. I think folks are so pissed off at these horrid performances they allow this bad experience to make them forget the reality that Bledsoe has definite weaknesses which brought about a losing performance here, but also definite strengths (the rocket arm, a ton of experience, a good ball handler) that if he is used properly a team with him at QB can win and probably even make the playoffs (The SB talk abiut the 'Boys seems silly to me and probably mostly stems from folks knowing their names). I think the real explanation is that many TSW and other observers are so bruised by their disappointment that they refuse to acknowledge that with a good HC/OC that uses DB's strengths and stays away from his weaknesses (to some part through one of the great football uronies is that one way to fight DB from being overwhelmed by the blitz you have to run him on the QB draw from time to time to force LB and rushers to not sell themselves out for the sack by taking outside angles) one can get results of the team certainly having a winning record and possibly even making the playoffs with DB at QB. At this point on the backside of his career. DG is clearly not capable of being some savior who can carry a team to the playoffs on his shoulders. However, he shows signs of being a QB who is adequate to the task of sharing leadership with good ST players and a good D with big play guys to produce a good result for your team. In general, many Buffalo fans are even more locked into the past that your QB must be an HOF player as Jimbo was than they are locked into a mode that every DE needs to be Bruce Smith or they suck. They loved it that Flutie twice QB'ed this team to playoff berths, but he did not have the right demographics of being tall enough or his arm strong enough that the fact the team won under him was not good enough. Bledsoe disappointed many Bills fans because finally we got a guy who was tall enough and had a great arm, but lo and behold he was not good enough to get us to the playoffs, therefore folks jump to the false conclusion he can do nothing. 765964[/snapback] There is no contradiction, he didn’t care period, irrespective of where it took place. As far as the rest of what you said; you have your opinion, and I respect that, and I have mine. But as far as I can tell we are both saying the same thing. We are all Bills fans and we are all hoping for a winning season and to get back to the winning ways we have all enjoyed. As I said “So I guess it’s just some frustration with his Bills performance to jump on the “bash Drew” bandwagon.” We are all Bills fans and we are all hoping for a winning season and to get back to the winning ways we have all enjoyed. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s kickoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 There is no contradiction, he didn’t care period, irrespective of where it took place. Gotta love when posters take OPIINIONS and state them as FACT. You have no idea whether he cared or not - purely speculation - and I'd venture to say that you don't go 9-7 as a QB in the NFL without caring. I never remember hearing him express that passion to be number-one. Yeah, that went over really well when Willis said it. Can't have it both ways fokls. I have a sinking feeling that we're going to be in for yet another long year... Making that 9-7 playoff chase season look even sweeter. How many people here honestly think we'll be fighting for a playoff spot in December? Didn't think so. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Gotta love when posters take OPIINIONS and state them as FACT. As I stated; you, me and everyone on this board are entitled to their own opinions and the respect of such. I also stated that my beliefs ARE MY OPINIONS. I never stated that they are based on scientific or indisputable facts of physics, or stats. OPINIONS ARE what make these boards interactive and fun. Facts….such as stats… are an interracial part of one’s supporting arguments for their opinions. However, no one can get inside someone else’s head and state factually that he or she was thinking this way or that way. All one can do is make a personal judgment. When someone states that in THEIR “OPINION” such or such is……don’t accuse them of trying to pass an OPINION off as FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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